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Puscifer wrote:
I got told:

Orks - June/July
Blood Angels - August/September
Dark Eldar - October/November
Space Wolves - November/December
GK/Necrons - Whichever one is first, January.


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I hope the DE do get an update, but I don't think they can top the last codex. That was one of my favourites.

And Puscifer is a lot more reliable than Natfka, although not as prolific.

Puscifer - Total rumors: (11 TRUE) / (5 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (354 TRUE) / (511 FALSE) / (50 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

 whembly wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'd imagine that if 7th is coming out they'll get a new Codex.

Why would 7th coming out mean they'd get a new codex?

(and jesus, i would be straight up amazed if Necrons got a new codex come next January)

The answer would be...

Is that Tom Kirby in his younger days?

EDIT: Dark Eldar are one of my two 40k armies and I'm not that excited to see them updated soon. It will largely mean (a) a $50 book with slight meta adjustments and (b) a culling of special characters that GW does not feel like making in plastic. I just don't see a lot of value in whatever they might have coming up for them.

 pretre wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I got told:

Orks - June/July
Blood Angels - August/September
Dark Eldar - October/November
Space Wolves - November/December
GK/Necrons - Whichever one is first, January.


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I hope the DE do get an update, but I don't think they can top the last codex. That was one of my favourites.

And Puscifer is a lot more reliable than Natfka, although not as prolific.

Puscifer - Total rumors: (11 TRUE) / (5 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (354 TRUE) / (511 FALSE) / (50 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

I'm intrigued now! Mr Puscifier sir, did your top secret source give any hints toward what we might expect from the fantasy side of the coin?

*prays for Brettonians*

If the DE and Blood Angels rumours prove to be true, I'll be painting a lot of models later on this year!

I'd really like them to make Wyches more than just a suicide anti-vehicle unit.

 Accolade wrote:

EDIT: Dark Eldar are one of my two 40k armies and I'm not that excited to see them updated soon. It will largely mean (a) a $50 book with slight meta adjustments and (b) a culling of special characters that GW does not feel like making in plastic. I just don't see a lot of value in whatever they might have coming up for them.

That's not necessarily true. There have not been all that many characters cut of late.

Look at the Guard book. You had four characters cut(Mogul Kamir, Sergeant Bastonne, Commander Chenkov, and Captain Al'Rahem) and of those characters, three had models...old, old, old models mind you but models nonetheless.
However what all four characters had in common was that they were "unit upgrade" characters rather than proper characters.

In terms of Dark Eldar stuff, several of the characters do not have actual models--but can be built from the plastic kits like what we have been seeing on the Fantasy side for the dual kits.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
We'll see space wolves before we see Dark Eldar.

I certainly hope so. Orks, too. But if it is indeed a cyclical release schedule, would Dark Eldar then be third in line? Or am I missing one or two?

The last three codices for 5th edition were Dark Eldar, Grey Knights and Necrons. That leaves Orks, Blood Angels and Space Wolves in line before Dark Eldar.

Puscifer wrote:
I got told:

Orks - June/July
Blood Angels - August/September
Dark Eldar - October/November
Space Wolves - November/December
GK/Necrons - Whichever one is first, January.

Don't believe this as it is. It's too vague and there's huge clashes with Fantasy rumours (as it is, this list leaves very little space for fantasy at all!)

As for Dark Eldar rumours... So tempting if true!!

Saldiven wrote:
I'd really like them to make Wyches more than just a suicide anti-vehicle unit.

That would be nice. I have around 60 wyches that have been gathering dust since 6th edition came out.

Re-working Mandrakes to be worth taking would be great too.

I'd love it if the Vect and the Dias of Destruction were DE's "big" kit for release.

I'm not sure about this, based on the last release "cycle" for DE, we still have about 8 years before we get a new one...

Also, I dont want to have to "re-buy" the army a 3rd time if they mess it all up....like make venoms and beasts crap.

Puscifer wrote:
TBH, I think Blood Angels and GK need the update more (after Orks of course).

GK are fine with their great psykers, impressive troops, and big nasty MC.

DE suffered a lot in 6th edtion with the assault, open topped transport, and FNP nerf. Also not have psykers was another pain when divination spam became so prevelenent. 7th might change some things and inadvertantly buff them, but that could go for anyone.

BA, they have a lot going for them but just end up as angry marines.

 Exergy wrote:
GK are fine with their great psykers, impressive troops, and big nasty MC.

Now, I don't play against any GK players, so I wouldn't know what their current meta is like, but pre-6th they were pretty broken, with many people claiming they needed to be nerfed.
Is this still the case? If so, I can see that being the update to their codex.

DE need to have their gameplay adjusted. In 3rd edition they were fully mounted suicide boats for massed splinter cannon fire and long range support units with lances.

In 5th edition they were fully mounted suicide boats for massed splinter cannon fire and long range support units with lances.

Would be nice to field some Incubi and Wyches without feeling like the only reason I brought them along was because I paid good money for the models.

Would also be nice to have plastic Incubi (and normal Eldar aspects...) :/

 Scrub wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I got told:

Orks - June/July
Blood Angels - August/September
Dark Eldar - October/November
Space Wolves - November/December
GK/Necrons - Whichever one is first, January.


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I hope the DE do get an update, but I don't think they can top the last codex. That was one of my favourites.

And Puscifer is a lot more reliable than Natfka, although not as prolific.

Puscifer - Total rumors: (11 TRUE) / (5 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (354 TRUE) / (511 FALSE) / (50 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

I'm intrigued now! Mr Puscifier sir, did your top secret source give any hints toward what we might expect from the fantasy side of the coin?

*prays for Brettonians*

If the DE and Blood Angels rumours prove to be true, I'll be painting a lot of models later on this year!

Thanks for the confidence boost there Pretre .

In regards to Fantasy, I have heard absolutely nothing. I heard ages ago that they were not releasing anymore Fantasy armies this year after Dwarfs, but that was wrong as Wood Elves were released.

I actually only listen out for 40k rumours as that is the only GW game I play, but if I hear anything, I'll let you know.

But also remember, that I only relay what I'm told. None of it comes off the Internet, it all comes from my sources directly.

Puscifer wrote:
Thanks for the confidence boost there Pretre .

You did the work; I just tracked it.

If 7th ed still prohibit assaults directly from reserves... at least make it so that WWP allows it.

That'd be fluffy as all hell.

Because... Forging the Narratives!

EDIT: sorry... wishlisting here.

Nvs wrote:
DE need to have their gameplay adjusted. In 3rd edition they were fully mounted suicide boats for massed splinter cannon fire and long range support units with lances.

In 5th edition they were fully mounted suicide boats for massed splinter cannon fire and long range support units with lances.

Would be nice to field some Incubi and Wyches without feeling like the only reason I brought them along was because I paid good money for the models.

Would also be nice to have plastic Incubi (and normal Eldar aspects...) :/

In 3rd & 4th, my DE were primarily an assault force with a unit of Incubi w/Archon and three units of Wyches backed up with enough shooting to pop the opponent's transports. Very successful list with multiple tournament wins.


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 whembly wrote:
If 7th ed still prohibit assaults directly from reserves... at least make it so that WWP allows it.

That'd be fluffy as all hell.

Because... Forging the Narratives!

EDIT: sorry... wishlisting here.

Oh, and vehicles need to be able to come out of the WWP again, just like they originally could.

 skoffs wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
GK are fine with their great psykers, impressive troops, and big nasty MC.

Now, I don't play against any GK players, so I wouldn't know what their current meta is like, but pre-6th they were pretty broken, with many people claiming they needed to be nerfed.
Is this still the case? If so, I can see that being the update to their codex.

They were incredibly broken, but 6th fixed a lot of issues. Their codex is now a mix, with no TAC broken choices. It's not perfect, but they can play.


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Saldiven wrote:

Nvs wrote:
DE need to have their gameplay adjusted. In 3rd edition they were fully mounted suicide boats for massed splinter cannon fire and long range support units with lances.

In 5th edition they were fully mounted suicide boats for massed splinter cannon fire and long range support units with lances.

Would be nice to field some Incubi and Wyches without feeling like the only reason I brought them along was because I paid good money for the models.

Would also be nice to have plastic Incubi (and normal Eldar aspects...) :/

In 3rd & 4th, my DE were primarily an assault force with a unit of Incubi w/Archon and three units of Wyches backed up with enough shooting to pop the opponent's transports. Very successful list with multiple tournament wins.

Yeah it would be nice if either they could succeed in their strategy from 3rd,4th and 5th edition rather than being an allies only codex that gets taken for Baron, Beasts, and maybe a Ravager.

Puscifer wrote:
TBH, I think Blood Angels and GK need the update more (after Orks of course).

Marines never need the update more than xenos.

Running a mostly Wych army with Kabalite support, I'm mostly hoping for some buff to Wyches. New wracks and more haemonculi stuff is largely irrelevant to me. :(

Off topic...

Yeah GK were incredibly broken in 5th.

I just played 8 games over the weekend at a local tourney using a borrowed GK force and lost each game, some of which to Codexes much less broken than GK.

I seriously think they are not mid tier right now, especially when out of 4 GK players that played, we all finished in the bottom places.

Every army has an answer for them now.

Marines have Grav Weapons.
Eldar have virtually every weapon to kill a GKT.
Tau have Plasma Rifles and Riptide Ion Cannon things.
Chaos have Ectoplasma Cannons - which one player took two Fiends with the cannons.

GK are certainly not as viable a top choice as they were.

Back on topic...

Personally, I'm just hoping for a better value Wracks box. Five for £20ish was a joke.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

EDIT: Dark Eldar are one of my two 40k armies and I'm not that excited to see them updated soon. It will largely mean (a) a $50 book with slight meta adjustments and (b) a culling of special characters that GW does not feel like making in plastic. I just don't see a lot of value in whatever they might have coming up for them.

That's not necessarily true. There have not been all that many characters cut of late.

Look at the Guard book. You had four characters cut(Mogul Kamir, Sergeant Bastonne, Commander Chenkov, and Captain Al'Rahem) and of those characters, three had models...old, old, old models mind you but models nonetheless.
However what all four characters had in common was that they were "unit upgrade" characters rather than proper characters.

In terms of Dark Eldar stuff, several of the characters do not have actual models--but can be built from the plastic kits like what we have been seeing on the Fantasy side for the dual kits.

You might be right, Kan, and I certainly hope you are. I think that the Orks codex will be a good bellwether as to how many of our characters (if any) we are apt to lose.

The mistake I made was building a full coven list of Finecast then watching 6th just destroy it with the FNP nerf, assault nerf, and then the doom of the wwp FAQ. Army went to NOVA For paint scores then got shelved. Praying that 7th and a new DEX makes this list useable heh.

 Fishboy wrote:
The mistake I made was building a full coven list of Finecast then watching 6th just destroy it with the FNP nerf, assault nerf, and then the doom of the wwp FAQ. Army went to NOVA For paint scores then got shelved. Praying that 7th and a new DEX makes this list useable heh.

Have you tried it yet since Stronghold Assault came out? I kind of thought the ability to drop the WWP inside your opponent's deployment zone on the very first turn might re-invigorate some life into them, but so far I haven't seen anyone try it.

Back on topic, I imagine that plastic Coven units will go a long way towards making Coven lists sparkle again.

Dropping the WWP is not the issue. Not being able to assault with an army based on assault with crappy saves pretty much took the wind out of their sales heh.

I am not buying the bane rumor though. It may be a squad of uber grotesque but the DE need some kind of feasible monster.

If they get rid of a character, it really should be The Decapitator. GW just never got him right.
According to the books, he's like a ghost that steps out of a victims shadow, slices off the head and disappears with it. Even other mandrakes never perceive his passage.

The derpy, useless, easily killed character we've been given is a grotesque parody of what Kheradruakh should be like. He SHOULD be able to assassinate and Imperial assassin without a fight.

Turn him into the random force of nature that he ought to be or don't even give us the option. In either case, he shouldn't have stats. He should just be something that happens here and there. This way, he'll never NEED a model.

 Archonate wrote:
If they get rid of a character, it really should be The Decapitator. GW just never got him right.
According to the books, he's like a ghost that steps out of a victims shadow, slices off the head and disappears with it. Even other mandrakes never perceive his passage.

The derpy, useless, easily killed character we've been given is a grotesque parody of what Kheradruakh should be like. He SHOULD be able to assassinate and Imperial assassin without a fight.

Turn him into the random force of nature that he ought to be or don't even give us the option. In either case, he shouldn't have stats. He should just be something that happens here and there. This way, he'll never NEED a model.

Or just give him always strikes first as a special rule?

I hope we don't get a codex too soon. I've just started winning again

 Jimsolo wrote:
If some of the rumors I've heard about 7th edition are true, then it could be a very good thing. Changes to the Skimmer rules are going to bend the DE over the pickle barrel in a hardcore kind of way.

Up 'til now I've really liked the DE codex, though. I didn't really think it needed a new release.

My main concern is the one units that don't have official models. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect (based on previous trends) one or possibly two of them to get new models, but the ones that don't seem to get axed from the recent 'dexes. Which means Asdrubael Vect, Lady Malys, Baron Sathonyx, Duke Sliscus, and Kheradruakh are all possibly on the chopping block, along with the Voidraven Bomber.

What rules are bending them over? The jink isn't a big deal, since they have Flickerfields.

UNless I'm missing something else?

 Fishboy wrote:
Dropping the WWP is not the issue. Not being able to assault with an army based on assault with crappy saves pretty much took the wind out of their sales heh.

I am not buying the bane rumor though. It may be a squad of uber grotesque but the DE need some kind of feasible monster.

My understanding is that he or it looks like Bane.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
If they get rid of a character, it really should be The Decapitator. GW just never got him right.
According to the books, he's like a ghost that steps out of a victims shadow, slices off the head and disappears with it. Even other mandrakes never perceive his passage.

The derpy, useless, easily killed character we've been given is a grotesque parody of what Kheradruakh should be like. He SHOULD be able to assassinate and Imperial assassin without a fight.

Turn him into the random force of nature that he ought to be or don't even give us the option. In either case, he shouldn't have stats. He should just be something that happens here and there. This way, he'll never NEED a model.

Or just give him always strikes first as a special rule?

as he stands he could have 50 WS10 STR10 AP2 attacks that always strike first and he still would never be taken. He is 3 T3 wounds with a 5++ and no grenades that must always be alone. The kind of firepower needed to kill him the turn he arrives is the kind of firepower that every army has waiting around looking for a target, and him showing up is a giftwrapped near 200 points for them to kill.


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 Sasori wrote:


What rules are bending them over? The jink isn't a big deal, since they have Flickerfields.

UNless I'm missing something else?

Raiders and Ravagers can take Flickerfields, it just means they are going to each cost 10 points more, so a 7th edition DE army will have 1 less vehicle than before. Not a good start, but not the type of thing that totally ruined DE in 6th.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
If they get rid of a character, it really should be The Decapitator. GW just never got him right.
According to the books, he's like a ghost that steps out of a victims shadow, slices off the head and disappears with it. Even other mandrakes never perceive his passage.

The derpy, useless, easily killed character we've been given is a grotesque parody of what Kheradruakh should be like. He SHOULD be able to assassinate and Imperial assassin without a fight.

Turn him into the random force of nature that he ought to be or don't even give us the option. In either case, he shouldn't have stats. He should just be something that happens here and there. This way, he'll never NEED a model.

Or just give him always strikes first as a special rule?

He'd need grenades, or the equivalent, just to start. Then, he'd need to be able to assault on the turn he arrives from reserves. Lastly, he'd need to either be able to consolidate into new combats or have the ability to bounce back into reserves at the end of a turn.

With those, he might, maybe, possibly be worth taking.