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I'd say you nailed it lol

 Quarterdime wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Before we move on entirely from the first week's releases I would just like to say I'm surprised that Games Workshop actually changed the Wracks from finecast to plastic. But learning that it's still just a box of 5 puts it back down to the "Alright, now I can see it" level. That was the most requested unit, which makes me wonder if this was a coincidence or not. Maybe GW actually has a pair of ears somewhere.

Also, the Dark Eldar got a second flyer as their mandatory giant unit. A tasteful way of proceeding with this stupid gimmick which will hopefully be dead by the time the Necrons get their new book. I know people like their Riptides and Wraithknights, but I would prefer less homogenization than that. Part of why I'm pleased to see the Dark Eldar didn't get their own Wraithknight.

Well actually, the Necrons were the forerunners of "this stupid gimmick." I would say the Monolith is about the same volume as a Riptide/Wraithknight.

The Monolith, however, is not a giant walker/creature. It is unique. Which is why it's good. I'm sure a lot of people would say the Wraithknight is unique from the Riptide is unique from the Dreadknight is unique from the Knight is unique from the Gorkanaut, well not unique enough. Model design is one thing, but game design is another.

I see your point. I was just responding based on your relation of the Voidraven to this gimmick. Also glad they went in a different direction.

I am licking my lips in anticipation of this release. And by "my lips", I mean the collection of them strung around my neck.

 AzureDeath wrote:
So does anyone else remember my Void Raven I constructed outta 2 razorwings a few years back? I think I hit their concept pretty dead on. What ya'll think?

I feel like this is proof anyone can be a games workshop designer.


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And yes, I think it looks almost identical.

Those finecast Grotesques are really killing my buzz for this release. Hope of a plastic kit is slipping away...

 Medium of Death wrote:
Those finecast Grotesques are really killing my buzz for this release. Hope of a plastic kit is slipping away...

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Those finecast Grotesques are really killing my buzz for this release. Hope of a plastic kit is slipping away...

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment lol.

We would be glad to see all elite and FA models to be released in plastic instead of finecast.
The prices for these models is rocket high.

 AzureDeath wrote:
So does anyone else remember my Void Raven I constructed outta 2 razorwings a few years back? I think I hit their concept pretty dead on. What ya'll think?

Spoiler:

Holy smokes, you weren't far off.

In fairness though, I think if they'd gone with a completely different approach to the Voidraven, it may have been very disappointing. So it's good that they kept to the Razorwing's style. I mean just look at the Tau's flyers. Tiger Shark= awesome. Then you look at the Sun/Razorshark.. bleh.

Oof, that Archon is weak, the legs are posed ridiculously upright and close together. Anything other than standing to attention snapping a salute would look wrong on top of them.

Bomber's pretty nice.

Let's hope the new Archon gets a nice set of plastic bits that can be kitbashed with Kabalite stuff. My current Archon is basically a glorified Sybarite.

 SarisKhan wrote:
Let's hope the new Archon gets a nice set of plastic bits that can be kitbashed with Kabalite stuff. My current Archon is basically a glorified Sybarite.

Pretty much what Archons are anyways lol.

someone commenting on natfka said raiders transport capacity went up to 16, ravagers to 6. very unlikely, but nonetheless a rumor.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
someone commenting on natfka said raiders transport capacity went up to 16, ravagers to 6. very unlikely, but nonetheless a rumor.

It's unlikely given that the screenshots of the battle report show 10 man squads for each Raider. Also we have the bundles which look to be a squad of 10 Wyches or Kabalites and a Raider.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
someone commenting on natfka said raiders transport capacity went up to 16, ravagers to 6. very unlikely, but nonetheless a rumor.

Would be nice. Lets see how the Codex pans out shall we?

I dont have the codex handy, but was the dais in this edition just a ravager with transport capacity? Perhaps they're rumors reflecting that?

Nvs wrote:
I dont have the codex handy, but was the dais in this edition just a ravager with transport capacity? Perhaps they're rumors reflecting that?

Yes, but it also had AV 13 all around.

So... Theyre not making plastic grotesques?

That is crazy.

 SJM wrote:
So... Theyre not making plastic grotesques?

That is crazy.

No it isn't. They only update existing models for 1 unit per release now. Well, exception given to orks, miraculously. Wracks were massively more requested.

Why does that Archon look like he has a rod shoved up his ass?

I've seen fresh-out-of-boot-camp soldiers with more relaxed postures. lol

via Archibald_TK
A few things I remember from reading the WD:
- The Voidraven carry a very massive bomb underbelly (biomechanical looking) that can be put on the model in a secure position or in an "about to be dropped" one.
- The rules for the bomb are probably different than before as it manages to wipe out a 10 men IG squad.
- The alternate weapons on the Voidraven are the DE variant of the Eldar Wraithguard ones. At first I thought it would be a blast version like the one on the Eldar plane but a single Voidraven managed to wipe out an unit of Scion (10 men if I'm not mistaken) so they may be templates instead.
- Multiple kind of missiles are mentioned, I think at least the Implosion one and the Cold/Heat one.
- Only 15 IG are still alive at the end of the battle report.

Because he feels more comfortable standing that way on that tiny rock.

Interesting.


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 pretre wrote:
via Archibald_TK
A few things I remember from reading the WD:
- The Voidraven carry a very massive bomb underbelly (biomechanical looking) that can be put on the model in a secure position or in an "about to be dropped" one.
- The rules for the bomb are probably different than before as it manages to wipe out a 10 men IG squad.
- The alternate weapons on the Voidraven are the DE variant of the Eldar Wraithguard ones. At first I thought it would be a blast version like the one on the Eldar plane but a single Voidraven managed to wipe out an unit of Scion (10 men if I'm not mistaken) so they may be templates instead.
- Multiple kind of missiles are mentioned, I think at least the Implosion one and the Cold/Heat one.
- Only 15 IG are still alive at the end of the battle report.

I wonder if the scenario would have had a similar outcome if the enemy had been Space Marines instead of Guardsmen.

Because my gut tells me, based upon history, that we're going to be seeing a lot of gakky "str4-5 AP4-5 large blast, one use only" type nonsense on those bombs, with maybe some ignores cover and random tables for some of the choices- hallucinogen bombs, fear bombs etc.

The new spray is an odd color choice. Not a lot of people looking to base DE in that color beyond ships. Although it would be a nice alternative for SM or CSM. I guess that's the new think now, a base spray for each army update

shauni55 wrote:
The new spray is an odd color choice. Not a lot of people looking to base DE in that color beyond ships. Although it would be a nice alternative for SM or CSM. I guess that's the new think now, a base spray for each army update

what color is it?

 extremefreak17 wrote:

shauni55 wrote:
The new spray is an odd color choice. Not a lot of people looking to base DE in that color beyond ships. Although it would be a nice alternative for SM or CSM. I guess that's the new think now, a base spray for each army update

what color is it?

Incubi Darkness.

It's a dark bluey green. Kabal of the Black Heart scheme.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Interesting.


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 pretre wrote:
via Archibald_TK
A few things I remember from reading the WD:
- The Voidraven carry a very massive bomb underbelly (biomechanical looking) that can be put on the model in a secure position or in an "about to be dropped" one.
- The rules for the bomb are probably different than before as it manages to wipe out a 10 men IG squad.
- The alternate weapons on the Voidraven are the DE variant of the Eldar Wraithguard ones. At first I thought it would be a blast version like the one on the Eldar plane but a single Voidraven managed to wipe out an unit of Scion (10 men if I'm not mistaken) so they may be templates instead.
- Multiple kind of missiles are mentioned, I think at least the Implosion one and the Cold/Heat one.
- Only 15 IG are still alive at the end of the battle report.

I wonder if the scenario would have had a similar outcome if the enemy had been Space Marines instead of Guardsmen.

Because my gut tells me, based upon history, that we're going to be seeing a lot of gakky "str4-5 AP4-5 large blast, one use only" type nonsense on those bombs, with maybe some ignores cover and random tables for some of the choices- hallucinogen bombs, fear bombs etc.

Like the current
Str6 AP5
Str7 AP- Shred
StrX AP- (2+ posion)

ooo a bunch of things that will wipe geq but have little effect on marines or terminators. The current choices are not really choices, just 3 weapons that do the same thing.

Indeed.

On the other hand, I don't think the game needs more AP3 and up template weapons.

edit- I wouldn't mind seeing something like a strength 6 AP4 large blast 2, with the caveat that the blasts have to be placed in a line that trails the bomber's movement.

sounds like its definitely more than 1 small blast template if it took out 10 guardsmen.

Considering average large blast template will target about 7 models max, it might be something more like 2 large blast.



the void raven appears to have a larger base and taller flight stand compared to the razorwings around it, not sure if that's a camera lens trick or real though.

Maybe it will be even harder to hit than normal fliers.