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 agnosto wrote:

mercury14 wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Precision deep strike for any unit is kind if a big deal.

Huge, Im already thinking of how to convert up some DEldary Wraithgaurd with Dsythes

Do none of you play against Tau at all? Weird.

Tau have fallen out of favor in my local meta big time. In yesterday's tournament there was only one Tau guy and he got smacked around.

I'm just saying that if you think deep striking raiders is a good thing, you haven't landed in front of a unit of Broadsides with EWO and hi yield missile systems... It's not fun.

The webway portal doesn't require a raider. It just gives the unit a no-scatter deep strike.

Is the codex this weekend or next?

 pretre wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

mercury14 wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Precision deep strike for any unit is kind if a big deal.

Huge, Im already thinking of how to convert up some DEldary Wraithgaurd with Dsythes

Do none of you play against Tau at all? Weird.

Tau have fallen out of favor in my local meta big time. In yesterday's tournament there was only one Tau guy and he got smacked around.

I'm just saying that if you think deep striking raiders is a good thing, you haven't landed in front of a unit of Broadsides with EWO and hi yield missile systems... It's not fun.

The webway portal doesn't require a raider. It just gives the unit a no-scatter deep strike.

Somebody has to carry it and he has to get in a positions where it will actually be useful without getting squished, right?

mercury14 wrote:
Is the codex this weekend or next?

It's up for preorder now, so you should be able to get it this Friday/Sat

Not sure if it's been mentioned but Kabalites went down a point to 8 pts. If you look on the Dracon edition photo you can see it on there.

Has it been confirmed that Raiders can in fact be taken as fast attack because if so that's fething broken. I keep seeing it mentioned over and over again.

Hollismason wrote:
Has it been confirmed that Raiders can in fact be taken as fast attack because if so that's fething broken. I keep seeing it mentioned over and over again.

It would be very strange if they weren't.

Yeah, my friend just sent " 3 Raiders + 30 Fire Dragons : ) "


I really hope this isn't true.

 agnosto wrote:

 pretre wrote:

The webway portal doesn't require a raider. It just gives the unit a no-scatter deep strike.

Somebody has to carry it and he has to get in a positions where it will actually be useful without getting squished, right?

Not from what I heard. It just gives that unit a no-scatter deep strike. I guess we'll see when we get the codex though.

 pretre wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 pretre wrote:

The webway portal doesn't require a raider. It just gives the unit a no-scatter deep strike.

Somebody has to carry it and he has to get in a positions where it will actually be useful without getting squished, right?

Not from what I heard. It just gives that unit a no-scatter deep strike. I guess we'll see when we get the codex though.

yeah, that is the rumor. No scatter DS to the bearer, his unit, and any transport they are embarched in.

Trueborn appear to be only 11 pts now if they're Kabalite +3. They can take haywire in the current codex, wonder if they'll keep that option.

mercury14 wrote:
Trueborn appear to be only 11 pts now if they're Kabalite +3. They can take haywire in the current codex, wonder if they'll keep that option.

increased surviability over wyches. 5+ instead of 6+ save!

worth the 1ppm

 Exergy wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Trueborn appear to be only 11 pts now if they're Kabalite +3. They can take haywire in the current codex, wonder if they'll keep that option.

increased surviability over wyches. 5+ instead of 6+ save!

worth the 1ppm

Increased vehicle explosion survivability. And they can hurt things with shooting. A blaster and a haywire grenade on assault is no joke.

 Exergy wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 pretre wrote:

The webway portal doesn't require a raider. It just gives the unit a no-scatter deep strike.

Somebody has to carry it and he has to get in a positions where it will actually be useful without getting squished, right?

Not from what I heard. It just gives that unit a no-scatter deep strike. I guess we'll see when we get the codex though.

yeah, that is the rumor. No scatter DS to the bearer, his unit, and any transport they are embarched in.

Lol put a WWP archon in an eldar vampire raider. Not sure how useful this would be, but funny as feth to deep strike that huge ass model!

 Mr Morden wrote:
Nope Serpent Spam is the hard counter to fun.

Mind if I sig this?

mercury14 wrote:
For me, putting Dark Eldar units in reserve has always been a questionable choice. As a DE player, you need to be killing stuff turn 1-2 and not fuddering around off the map.

I'm more concerned about my army arriving piecemeal. It seems like you're making it a little easy for your opponent to concentrate fire on what's on the table.

This is silly but I just realized, can't you stick a Guardian Squad in a Raider or Vyper and fire the Weapon Support Battery?

I'm really starting to like the idea of a WWP harlequin army. Run a Harlequin Wraithknight and then load up on venoms and raiders loaded to the gills with Harlequins.

Won't be that effective, but it would be fun!

Hollismason wrote:
This is silly but I just realized, can't you stick a Guardian Squad in a Raider or Vyper and fire the Weapon Support Battery?

what is the bulky/very bulky/extremely bulky on the support battery. Also what is the min squad size on guardians. They might not be enough space for all of them.


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 godswildcard wrote:
I'm really starting to like the idea of a WWP harlequin army. Run a Harlequin Wraithknight and then load up on venoms and raiders loaded to the gills with Harlequins.

Won't be that effective, but it would be fun!

where would the WWP be?

Hollismason wrote:
This is silly but I just realized, can't you stick a Guardian Squad in a Raider or Vyper and fire the Weapon Support Battery?

I think you would have to use a Tantalus

It's 10 Guardians, +1 for the h. weapon thing.

 Exergy wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I'm really starting to like the idea of a WWP harlequin army. Run a Harlequin Wraithknight and then load up on venoms and raiders loaded to the gills with Harlequins.

Won't be that effective, but it would be fun!

where would the WWP be?

On an archon 'Counts As' High Avatar!

 vipoid wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Nope Serpent Spam is the hard counter to fun.

Mind if I sig this?

please do

as a LONNNNNG time Dark Eldar player I don't see how everyone is crying about this. The potential to get a 2+ Jink on turn one with venoms and raiders????

If you want to survive with Dark Eldar you need to run heavy target saturation. Venom spam is as fluffy as it is productive. The fact that they now score, and they don't explode makes them insane. A small points increase is more than fair.

Where is everyone getting this fact that wyches can't take haywire? That would suck, but I'd just swap over to trueborn from the sound of the rumours.

Web Way portals sound like theyll be insane. I'm hoping theres a good balance of being able to take 2-3 in an army. I like the Talos in a group idea... let you swap out an injured model so someone else can soak wounds. hopefully they can somehow use a portal or move a bit quicker..

I REALLLLLLY hope the earlier mandrake rumours were true. start with baleblast and come with shrouded/stealth? so cool.

but seriously, let's stop crying about wave serpents. theyre brutal, super effective, under costed and it's douchey when people bring a whole bunch of them. you just have to learn to deal with it. but like other people have said; how does a tyranid player feel when they see 9 venoms on the field?

I don't know why everyone is so worried about 3 knights..... get some haywire. lots and lots of it. im sure thatll still be possible somewhere. you cant look at ravagers as the be all/end all they used to be.

raoiley wrote:
as a LONNNNNG time Dark Eldar player I don't see how everyone is crying about this. The potential to get a 2+ Jink on turn one with venoms and raiders????

If you want to survive with Dark Eldar you need to run heavy target saturation. Venom spam is as fluffy as it is productive. The fact that they now score, and they don't explode makes them insane. A small points increase is more than fair.

Where is everyone getting this fact that wyches can't take haywire? That would suck, but I'd just swap over to trueborn from the sound of the rumours.

Web Way portals sound like theyll be insane. I'm hoping theres a good balance of being able to take 2-3 in an army. I like the Talos in a group idea... let you swap out an injured model so someone else can soak wounds. hopefully they can somehow use a portal or move a bit quicker..

I REALLLLLLY hope the earlier mandrake rumours were true. start with baleblast and come with shrouded/stealth? so cool.

but seriously, let's stop crying about wave serpents. theyre brutal, super effective, under costed and it's douchey when people bring a whole bunch of them. you just have to learn to deal with it. but like other people have said; how does a tyranid player feel when they see 9 venoms on the field?

I don't know why everyone is so worried about 3 knights..... get some haywire. lots and lots of it. im sure thatll still be possible somewhere. you cant look at ravagers as the be all/end all they used to be.

Aha, DE are the bane of my Nids, I literally have to spam FMC's to win against DE

All these rumours and confirmed rules make me want to collect DE alongside my Nids, Orks and Crons I've always thought Dark Lances weren't that good, you still need a 4 at worst to do damage, why take a Raider for one shot that glances on 4 when you could take ten or so Haywire Grenades that glance on 2+?

Raiders in Fast Attack would make Howling Banshee's very happy IMO

I dunno

Venom is probably goin to be 70 points with two splinter cannons so....


5 Fire Dragons
1 Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons

Which now apparently fire off 12 shots that wound on a 4+ and then have shred.

Yes, I will enjoy playing against that.

Without grenades banshees are a bit meh.


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Splinters don't have shred, shredders do...

raoiley wrote:
as a LONNNNNG time Dark Eldar player I don't see how everyone is crying about this. The potential to get a 2+ Jink on turn one with venoms and raiders????

Wow, why is it so hard for people to understand that stealth doesn't stack. Night shields are rumored to grant stealth. Night fight grants stealth. That means night fight is pointless if you bought night shields. 3+ cover is the best it will get if the rumors in fact pan out.

Sorry but this is like the 10th time it has been mentioned incorrectly.

Shingen wrote:
Without grenades banshees are a bit meh.


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Splinters don't have shred, shredders do...

Splinter cannons apparently have moved to being 4/6 Salvo w/ Shred

Hollismason wrote:

Shingen wrote:
Without grenades banshees are a bit meh.


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Splinters don't have shred, shredders do...

Splinter cannons apparently have moved to being 4/6 Salvo w/ Shred

When was shred rumored? All I have seen was salvo 4/6

The only weapon with shred was the shredder, which makes sense when you think about it

Honestly I just cant wait for all the Formations.

Some formations I'd like to see are
Pain Engines
Venom
Raider
Flier (Razorwing I dont care for Bomber)

They could even do a FA formation with Hellions, Bikes and beast packs