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My FA will be 3 razorwings and 3x5 Scourges with haywire blasters or blasters (depending on If it's still 2/5 or 4/5 special weapons).

I hope the solarthite is rolled into the unit auto like marines have sargeants as then you can take a blast pistol as well.

Defo going to use that FA formation, looks cool.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

Shingen wrote:
Without grenades banshees are a bit meh.


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Splinters don't have shred, shredders do...

Splinter cannons apparently have moved to being 4/6 Salvo w/ Shred

When was shred rumored? All I have seen was salvo 4/6

The only weapon with shred was the shredder, which makes sense when you think about it

It was in that BOLS rumour thing I think.

FA formation seems like an auto take to be honest. Obsec never was worth as much to me with mey DE as with my marines due to lack of durability.

having double slots in our most crowded section? Yes please.

Scourge have to go down to at least 17ppm, but honestly could be even 14 or 15ppm. If they can take 4 upgrades at 5 rather then needing 10, these guys with haywire blasters are an auto take IMO. At least two units.

Next is a clawed fiend beastpack. Again, expecting a big point drop, with 12 models max but in any config thee are the best choice now IMO. So easy to achieve majority T5 and will control midfield well as a counter assault element.

Next is Razorwings for obvious reasons.

I think bikes went from my second choice to second to last sadly right behind hellions in dead last. both being too delicate with subpar offense that is done better be too many other entries in the book. Great models that will be painted with care and dedicated to gawking at on my shelf


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Hollismason wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

Shingen wrote:
Without grenades banshees are a bit meh.


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Splinters don't have shred, shredders do...

Splinter cannons apparently have moved to being 4/6 Salvo w/ Shred

When was shred rumored? All I have seen was salvo 4/6

The only weapon with shred was the shredder, which makes sense when you think about it

It was in that BOLS rumour thing I think.

Bah, BoLS is just an echo chamber for wishlisting. I hope its true but I think it's being confused with the shredder sadly.

EDIT: after some thought I can say there is no way SC's have shred. It would be so OP its stupid. A venom puts 4 wounds on anything now, with shred that bumps up to 6 wounds....ON ANY T value, not gonna happen.

mercury14 wrote:
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Kabalites went down a point to 8 pts. If you look on the Dracon edition photo you can see it on there.

If true, I hope wyches also dropped in points- preferably to 8 or 7 PPM.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Kabalites went down a point to 8 pts. If you look on the Dracon edition photo you can see it on there.

If true, I hope wyches also dropped in points- preferably to 8 or 7 PPM.

I hope so too, but knowing GW they went up 2 PPM to make up for their added utility as a CC unit.

I'm loving the changes so far. I'm very excited to run some wwp shenanigans together with some eldar allies.

 Red Corsair wrote:

raoiley wrote:
as a LONNNNNG time Dark Eldar player I don't see how everyone is crying about this. The potential to get a 2+ Jink on turn one with venoms and raiders????

Wow, why is it so hard for people to understand that stealth doesn't stack. Night shields are rumored to grant stealth. Night fight grants stealth. That means night fight is pointless if you bought night shields. 3+ cover is the best it will get if the rumors in fact pan out.

Sorry but this is like the 10th time it has been mentioned incorrectly.

yup, the new nightshields sound pretty worthless


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 Red Corsair wrote:
FA formation seems like an auto take to be honest. Obsec never was worth as much to me with mey DE as with my marines due to lack of durability.

having double slots in our most crowded section? Yes please.

Scourge have to go down to at least 17ppm, but honestly could be even 14 or 15ppm. If they can take 4 upgrades at 5 rather then needing 10, these guys with haywire blasters are an auto take IMO. At least two units.

Next is a clawed fiend beastpack. Again, expecting a big point drop, with 12 models max but in any config thee are the best choice now IMO. So easy to achieve majority T5 and will control midfield well as a counter assault element.

Next is Razorwings for obvious reasons.

I think bikes went from my second choice to second to last sadly right behind hellions in dead last. both being too delicate with subpar offense that is done better be too many other entries in the book. Great models that will be painted with care and dedicated to gawking at on my shelf

How is FA the most crowded section for DE?
beastpacks are nerfed, and without baron, might not even be viable
reavers got nerfed
Razorwings are ok, and might be taken now that they are FA instead of HS. Depends on the unit entry. They might lose their free missiles.
You say scourges are good, but apparently only if they get a point drop greater than 25%

I dont think we can determine what is crowded before seeing the codex, but FA certainly wasnt the crowded section in the old codex.

 pretre wrote:
From Grot Orderly:

Welcome!

Little bird has passed the following info.
There will be no pics, even though I received some, since GW does not want me to their stuff, before the release date... oh well.

Eldar Archon model
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Eldar Succubus model
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Haemonculus Covens - Codex Supplement
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What I'm most sad to hear out of all of this is that Grot Orderly got Natfka'd

@exergy-

To be fair I was discussing in the context of the rumors. Without making any assumptions the conversation runs dry a tad quickly.

I think it is silly to not expect scourge to drop 25% actually. Which makes them solid. It was their incredibly high cost before that made them a poor option, and if in fact they can as the rumors hinted, take 4 haywire blasters thats crazy good.

Baron can be easily replaced with barahoth, who granted is more expensive but is also way better, so again it isn't like we can't have hit and run where we need it.

Beastpacks didn't get nerfed IMO they just sound different and I happen to own 25 khymera by the way. If you can now take more clawed fiends then packmasters then they are basically the DE version of chaos spawn. Hardly something to scoff at. Heck 2-3 fiends and a packmaster make an awesome and fast MSU killer.

As far as the razorwing, I never thought it was a bad option but it always lost out in the heavy slot, with it being a FA option and the formation giving us 6 I see no reason not to take one. Assuming it got worse is up to you, but come on every option sucks if we assume they all went up in points and lost abilities. Sure some will but lets be at least a little bright shall we.

Having heard of the rumoured move of razorwing to fast attack, with Voidraven staying in heavy support, and some double fast attack force org (???) I can only guess that GW intend for DE to be the new flyer spam army.

It'd look cool on the table top, gak loads of venoms, razors and voids, though not sure what I think to a nerf of multiple units just in a hope to shift bigger more expensive box sets, if indeed this is all true and my assumption about GW's intent is correct.

 kitch102 wrote:
Having heard of the rumoured move of razorwing to fast attack, with Voidraven staying in heavy support, and some double fast attack force org (???) I can only guess that GW intend for DE to be the new flyer spam army.

It'd look cool on the table top, gak loads of venoms, razors and voids, though not sure what I think to a nerf of multiple units just in a hope to shift bigger more expensive box sets, if indeed this is all true and my assumption about GW's intent is correct.

Although I won't disagree with what you said about GW's intent, I think it's worth remembering that the DE flyers are AV10, become nearly impotent when jinking and doesn't have the ability to fire Tesla like weapons that doesn't really care about Snap Shots. Furthermore, the crossaints and (the prenerf) vendettas had troops that could drop down and contest objectives, not to mention that DE flyers are unable to hover, thus never being able to score.

Hopefully they will get Vector Dancer given the fluff and style of their craft.......

yup, the new nightshields sound pretty worthless

Yeah, because no army that can currently take Stealth on their skimmers ever takes it, right?



Such a silly comment. 3+ Jink sucks man. Great take.


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EDIT: after some thought I can say there is no way SC's have shred. It would be so OP its stupid. A venom puts 4 wounds on anything now, with shred that bumps up to 6 wounds....ON ANY T value, not gonna happen.

Keep in mind they have also been rumored to be nerfed to Salvo and to have gone up in price. It's definitely possible they were given Shred to compensate for these changes. We shall see.

 Zewrath wrote:

 kitch102 wrote:
Having heard of the rumoured move of razorwing to fast attack, with Voidraven staying in heavy support, and some double fast attack force org (???) I can only guess that GW intend for DE to be the new flyer spam army.

It'd look cool on the table top, gak loads of venoms, razors and voids, though not sure what I think to a nerf of multiple units just in a hope to shift bigger more expensive box sets, if indeed this is all true and my assumption about GW's intent is correct.

Although I won't disagree with what you said about GW's intent, I think it's worth remembering that the DE flyers are AV10, become nearly impotent when jinking and doesn't have the ability to fire Tesla like weapons that doesn't really care about Snap Shots. Furthermore, the crossaints and (the prenerf) vendettas had troops that could drop down and contest objectives, not to mention that DE flyers are unable to hover, thus never being able to score.

Fair point, though how many of those can throw out the pie plates like Razor Wings (in the current rule set at least)? Imagine, what, 6 (?) Razor Wings, all loaded up with necro toxin missiles, and then the Void Raven with it's big cock-bomb, laying down pie plates left right and centre on turn 2 or even turn 1 if that snippet from WD was true (some trait or formation iirc?).

That's a gak lot of wounds on bunched up armies; Tau, Nids, Orks are the obvious candidates. I'm not saying that these will beat face by themselves, but imagine these guys removing most if not all fire warriors from the table. Suddenly you'd just be facing the big guns. Sure, they're more painful, but when you're armour and vehicles are made from papier maché, reducing the number of incoming shots is the more effective tactic over removing the bigger, more damaging shots from the table top. This leaves your boats to mop up the left overs, with the flyers theoretically still around to aid with the mop up.

Eugh, why am I tempted to field this?!

 kitch102 wrote:
laying down pie plates left right and centre on turn 2 or even turn 1 if that snippet from WD was true (some trait or formation iirc?).

There was a sidebar in the WD batrep that said the 'fliers on the table turn 1' thing was a homebrew rule for their special scenario.

Sadly.

Original source: http://www.moriongames.pl/white-dwarf-weekly-36-p-8707.html

Dumbest. Pose.

Thank Slaanesh that kitbashing a better one is going to be so easy.

I don't mind the clenched buttocks so much but the crossed arms aren't doing anything for me. Otherwise the model looks good, I really do like to see more skin cloaks.

 Extreaminatus wrote:
Dumbest. Pose.

Thank Slaanesh that kitbashing a better one is going to be so easy.

Very much my thought as well. Highly agile army that uses speed and flexibility, let's design a commander who stands straight up like he has a spear lodged up his butt........well I guess they at least got the Slaanesh part right

I don't like the new Archon's design that much.
He's too static and bunched up. He should be hamming it up, like doing a sort of "poor Yorick" thing with a severed head.

So he's basically the guy from the previous cover with a string of beads, anu.. ...soul siphon beads up his butt

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't like the new Archon's design that much.
He's too static and bunched up. He should be hamming it up, like doing a sort of "poor Yorick" thing with a severed head.

Indeed the Archon looks pretty strange. I'm not interested in this model.

What's sad is that he's actually a fairly nice model; he has some good detail on him, especially on his face. It's just that his pose ruins it.

I think the pose would be fine... if only he was levitating a few feet in the air.

Agreed. I just want the cloak and backpack...thing. Everything else can be found on regular Kabalites and like, Raider kits.

That pose looks fine. If he was in an action pose, people would whimper about that.

Really? I don't see what's fine about that pose (especially in light of almost every other model in the range), ecause I would prefer an action pose on all my little wardollies that supposed to be running forward and killing other little wardollies.

People are just so wrong about so much.

 Extreaminatus wrote:
Really? I don't see what's fine about that pose (especially in light of almost every other model in the range), ecause I would prefer an action pose on all my little wardollies that supposed to be running forward and killing other little wardollies.

People are just so wrong about so much.

It goes like this:

(A) Your opinion of this GW/40k product favorable -> Continue to post

(B) Your opinion of a GW/40k product is not entirely favorable -> Your opinion is wrong, go back to option A

People are entitled to their opinions Extreaminatus. There's nothing wrong with this model a few snips here and there wouldn't fix. Bad posing though- I'd have it in a more "come get some, puny mon-keigh" kinda pose

While I am a big fan of the whole DE line (it is probably my favorite truth be told), I think this new Archon falls rather flat. He has this sort-of...anime-esque vibe, like he's standing on this rock looking down, all moody. And all around him are soldiers who are too terrified to just lift their guns and fire (although when they do, the Archon magically darts around so fast he can be hit by bullets ).

I would have much preferred him in an action pose, since action fits the DE concept. Standing at attention is better for Imperial Guard or artillery troops, that aren't moving through a battlefield. I suppose the Archon would look fine in a diorama of the Dark City though.