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 angelofvengeance wrote:
People are entitled to their opinions Extreaminatus. There's nothing wrong with this model a few snips here and there wouldn't fix. Bad posing though- I'd have it in a more "come get some, puny mon-keigh" kinda pose

I know peeps get their own opinions.

I should have quoted the "If he was in an action pose, people would whimper about that," line before saying people are wrong. Because whining about actions poses in DE models is wrong.

The new haemmy pose is better, imo. He's all hunched over and creepy looking, which fits him perfectly.

I like both the new Haeme and the new Succubus, I think they both fit their concepts well.

GW must've been looking at those crypt ghoul thing conversions out there.

e: For the new Haemy. The new Succubus looks rad, too.

Personally, I'm okay with the stance. It makes his look like calculating, like he's watching over the battlefield without any desire to move a muscle until it's necessary.

The arm pose is atrocious though. If you're going to bunch up the legs then the arms need to be wider, or vice versa.

All open leads to those static hilarious 2nd ed sculpts, but this is way too closed. Hopefully the one shown in the painting guide was an example of the kit, not a big conversion. I just want the sword down or out. I can leave the pistol across his chest.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
It looks like the worst codex update to follow the best codex update of all time.

Templars. At least you're not folded into Eldar.

Ah the classic I got raped way harder dude, so your raping shouldn't matter to you argument. Was waiting for that one to rear its head.

If someone claims this to be the worst Codex update and I disagree I'm going to say so. Nowhere did I say whether this update is going to be good or not, I only pointed out that I felt "the worst" was hyperbole. And I sure as gak haven't been waiting for a strawman...

 Auswin wrote:
Personally, I'm okay with the stance. It makes his look like calculating, like he's watching over the battlefield without any desire to move a muscle until it's necessary.

The arm pose is atrocious though. If you're going to bunch up the legs then the arms need to be wider, or vice versa.

All open leads to those static hilarious 2nd ed sculpts, but this is way too closed. Hopefully the one shown in the painting guide was an example of the kit, not a big conversion. I just want the sword down or out. I can leave the pistol across his chest.

It's the legs that throw me off. If the legs were even posed like the Incubus in your avatar pic, it would be fine.

 Accolade wrote:

I would have much preferred him in an action pose, since action fits the DE concept. Standing at attention is better for Imperial Guard or artillery troops, that aren't moving through a battlefield. I suppose the Archon would look fine in a diorama of the Dark City though.

Do you know what else fits the "Dark Eldar concept"?

Overwhelming arrogance, to the point where you just stand there on the battlefield with a mocking look. Secure in the knowledge that you have a belt-mounted force field generator that can stop tank cannons.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

I would have much preferred him in an action pose, since action fits the DE concept. Standing at attention is better for Imperial Guard or artillery troops, that aren't moving through a battlefield. I suppose the Archon would look fine in a diorama of the Dark City though.

Do you know what else fits the "Dark Eldar concept"?

Overwhelming arrogance, to the point where you just stand there on the battlefield with a mocking look. Secure in the knowledge that you have a belt-mounted force field generator that can stop tank cannons.

This is why I kinda like it. The arm pose I'd definitely change but for the rest of the model, it does look like they were going for that alien poise right before he bursts into a flurry of motion.

The only way I can explain the arms is that this was originally part of the Voidraven kit and it's meant to represent the Archon being dropped out of the front cockpit, performing a HALO maneuver with some sort of anti-inertia belt

ShadarLogoth wrote:

yup, the new nightshields sound pretty worthless

Yeah, because no army that can currently take Stealth on their skimmers ever takes it, right?



Such a silly comment. 3+ Jink sucks man. Great take.

Other armies that can get stealth on their skimmers either have lots of twinlinked weaponry, psykic powers to increase their chance to hit, or marker lights to raise their snap shot chance.

Also DE vehicles are cheap, paying 10 points more on a 60 point model that is going to die quickly anyway it a worse investment than a holofield on a serpant that is never going to die.

Also how useful is stealth on an army that wants to fight at night anyway and will get stealth first turn anyway.

Some DE vehicles have built in 5++ saves. adding upgrades to jink on 3+ instead of 4+ is less useful if you are probably not going to jink anyway and use the 5++.

The old nightshields were great, as they gave you the option of not being hit at all by many weapons. DE are a medium ranged army and need to keep close range stuff away from them.

At least we arnt tyranids also. I have 12+ nids and I shelved them to play DE when 7eth 1st came out.

Im having a Heck of a better time with DE than nids. Nids just have to many things going against them atm.

I think if you expected Dark Eldar to get bumped into top tier like Eldar you're feeling a little sore about the alleged codex (which we still have no real idea about), but I never thought that would happen.

I just hoped for a few nice bumps and for the DE to be brought into 7th.

Based on the rumors I think it's mostly good.

+ Nightshields are better. A 3+ jink is legit, regardless of how much ignored cover there is now.
+ Point drop for Kabalites is nice
+ Racks working on all splinter weapons could make Shardcarbine trueborn useful.
+ Talos in packs of 3 is much better
+ Mandrakes have a place now, instead of a counts as.
+ PFP is better and more reliable.
+ Combat drugs are better suited for 7th.
+ The WWP is vastly better than the current iteration.
+ The Clonefield is much better
+ Even if it's slightly lackluster, the Voidraven has a place rather than being a very expensive Razorwing without much going for it.

- Reavers are pretty terrible now
- Huskblade heading to AP3 sucks, but could be mitigated with strength buffs (resulting in more wounds)
- Liquifiers are objectively worse.
- Wracks could be pointless in a non-coven list, we'll need to see if they get even a mediocre save.
- Less weapons on wyches hurts them, but could be mitigated if dodge applies to overwatch.

I'm sure there's more I'm missing on both sides, but overall I'm pretty happy.

Amishprn86 wrote:
At least we arnt tyranids also. I have 12+ nids and I shelved them to play DE when 7eth 1st came out.

Im having a Heck of a better time with DE than nids. Nids just have to many things going against them atm.

Things such as... Dark Eldar.

I think if you expected Dark Eldar to get bumped into top tier like Eldar you're feeling a little sore about the alleged codex (which we still have no real idea about), but I never thought that would happen.

I just hoped for a few nice bumps and for the DE to be brought into 7th.

Based on the rumors I think it's mostly good.

+ Nightshields are better. A 3+ jink is legit, regardless of how much ignored cover there is now.
+ Point drop for Kabalites is nice
+ Racks working on all splinter weapons could make Shardcarbine trueborn useful.
+ Talos in packs of 3 is much better
+ Mandrakes have a place now, instead of a counts as.
+ PFP is better and more reliable.
+ Combat drugs are better suited for 7th.
+ The WWP is vastly better than the current iteration.
+ The Clonefield is much better
+ Even if it's slightly lackluster, the Voidraven has a place rather than being a very expensive Razorwing without much going for it.

- Reavers are pretty terrible now
- Huskblade heading to AP3 sucks, but could be mitigated with strength buffs (resulting in more wounds)
- Liquifiers are objectively worse.
- Wracks could be pointless in a non-coven list, we'll need to see if they get even a mediocre save.
- Less weapons on wyches hurts them, but could be mitigated if dodge applies to overwatch.

I'm sure there's more I'm missing on both sides, but overall I'm pretty happy.

It's more likely that the Eldar codex would be dropped down to new Dark Eldar tier.

6th ed Eldar's time has not yet come....

I wonder if they'll get the Ancient enemy rule like Eldar do? Y'know the one that means they HATE Slaanesh?

Fluff wise they should... But I don't think they need any more of a leg up against daemons. Mass poison Kills the flying circus and any other list with greater daemons.

About the new Archon:

First, I dont mind the pose, and with all the options of arms we have already seen, I think the real life model can look great.

Second, I think its great they make a uniqe pose. Anyone that want running action legs can easily kitbash, but anyone that want a more regal and calculating predator type now has a fair option.

Third, I wonder if this pose was originally made with the thought of a possible chariot in mind. It would make all kinds of sense if that guy was posed at the front of a sleek hover chariot.

Edit: Well, I just realise it would be extremly hard to keep your balance on a skimmer chariot standing like that, so neweermind the last bit

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
It looks like the worst codex update to follow the best codex update of all time.

Templars. At least you're not folded into Eldar.

Ah the classic I got raped way harder dude, so your raping shouldn't matter to you argument. Was waiting for that one to rear its head.

If someone claims this to be the worst Codex update and I disagree I'm going to say so. Nowhere did I say whether this update is going to be good or not, I only pointed out that I felt "the worst" was hyperbole. And I sure as gak haven't been waiting for a strawman...

I admit I came across much harsher and impolite then I intended, so apologies. However it was hardly a strawman, I get very tired of Black templar and dare I say Sisters out loud hijacking threads with their complaining. It's valid complaining, don't get me wrong, just not in this thread it isn't. But after rereading your post I am now aware that wasn't your intent so again sorry.

If the codex comes out this Friday then GW is doing a remarkable job keeping it secret.

Even if they were going for a static, observational pose those legs are ridiculous and the arms turn it from rubbish to gak. Apart from the blade and cloak I can't see anything on him you can't get from existing plastics and use to make a better model.

mercury14 wrote:
If the codex comes out this Friday then GW is doing a remarkable job keeping it secret.

It's not that secret, it's been plastered all over their website for half a week or so. And we were 100% it's coming out since last Tuesday.

 Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
If the codex comes out this Friday then GW is doing a remarkable job keeping it secret.

It's not that secret, it's been plastered all over their website for half a week or so. And we were 100% it's coming out since last Tuesday.

By that I meant nobody has gotten their paws on it and pasted scans on the interweb.

So is this release done after the Succubus and Archon are released? I kinda expected to see the new large battalion box by now. Surely it's not the wrack bundle they have on their website?

Ohhhhh, sorry ^_^"

Proper leaks are usually around now, so we're probably a few hours off.

 godswildcard wrote:
So is this release done after the Succubus and Archon are released? I kinda expected to see the new large battalion box by now. Surely it's not the wrack bundle they have on their website?

Unless there's something coming out of left field that's it. I think they stopped the bigger battleforces when 7th started, Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights all didn't get one.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
So is this release done after the Succubus and Archon are released? I kinda expected to see the new large battalion box by now. Surely it's not the wrack bundle they have on their website?

Unless there's something coming out of left field that's it. I think they stopped the bigger battleforces when 7th started, Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights all didn't get one.

Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights ALL got a big battalion box...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yZxskc7izTQ/VCcXWjaQKEI/AAAAAAAAWQs/rGQymfiKf7E/s1600/5Y4Y1N2.jpg

have you guys seen this pic? it seems to show different variations of the same archon model. you can tell by the legs and cape

Both of these look so much better than the one of the WD cover.

And there is a pic of the new succubus, who also looks awesome

 Metalhed2434 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
So is this release done after the Succubus and Archon are released? I kinda expected to see the new large battalion box by now. Surely it's not the wrack bundle they have on their website?

Unless there's something coming out of left field that's it. I think they stopped the bigger battleforces when 7th started, Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights all didn't get one.

Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights ALL got a big battalion box...

Whoops, I guess I missed those. It looks like they come out the week after the releases are done.

There's also that named Archon that hasn't been announced yet, I guess he's coming out with a Sanctus Reach style box?

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Metalhed2434 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
So is this release done after the Succubus and Archon are released? I kinda expected to see the new large battalion box by now. Surely it's not the wrack bundle they have on their website?

Unless there's something coming out of left field that's it. I think they stopped the bigger battleforces when 7th started, Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights all didn't get one.

Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights ALL got a big battalion box...

Whoops, I guess I missed those. It looks like they come out the week after the releases are done.

There's also that named Archon that hasn't been announced yet, I guess he's coming out with a Sanctus Reach style box?

where did you hear about a named archon? in a campaign box?!?

i saw the pictures from the painting guide that had the named archon, but it looks like the same archon model coming out? Is he the named character?