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 Byte wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Aren't all armies of the golden throne defending mankind in the name of the Emperor?

Its the will of the Emperor!

The Imperium is so vast that its got a lot of internal power struggles; as a result you've a lot of factions that hate each other to the point where they do war with each other. It's like Lords having duels - yes they are all united under the same king, but they'd still duel and fight each other in their own power struggle.

and now they all submit to the will of the God-Emperor against the common enemies of mankind.

You know now that you say that i really wonder if they are gonna jack up the fluff to make it match the game. Like "Oh hey all of mankind gets along now and no more secrets or anything they just wanna fight everyone else now, ok bye!" that would kinda piss me off. not saying its likely but then again wouldnt be the first time something like that has been done either.

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Aren't all armies of the golden throne defending mankind in the name of the Emperor?

Its the will of the Emperor!

The Imperium is so vast that its got a lot of internal power struggles; as a result you've a lot of factions that hate each other to the point where they do war with each other. It's like Lords having duels - yes they are all united under the same king, but they'd still duel and fight each other in their own power struggle.

and now they all submit to the will of the God-Emperor against the common enemies of mankind.

You know now that you say that i really wonder if they are gonna jack up the fluff to make it match the game. Like "Oh hey all of mankind gets along now and no more secrets or anything they just wanna fight everyone else now, ok bye!" that would kinda piss me off. not saying its likely but then again wouldnt be the first time something like that has been done either.

Nah, I don't suspect that will happen. All the inner angst will exists, but when the bullets start to fly all the differences dissolve away(according to the new allies chart).

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Aren't all armies of the golden throne defending mankind in the name of the Emperor?

Its the will of the Emperor!

The Imperium is so vast that its got a lot of internal power struggles; as a result you've a lot of factions that hate each other to the point where they do war with each other. It's like Lords having duels - yes they are all united under the same king, but they'd still duel and fight each other in their own power struggle.

and now they all submit to the will of the God-Emperor against the common enemies of mankind.

You know now that you say that i really wonder if they are gonna jack up the fluff to make it match the game. Like "Oh hey all of mankind gets along now and no more secrets or anything they just wanna fight everyone else now, ok bye!" that would kinda piss me off. not saying its likely but then again wouldnt be the first time something like that has been done either.

That won't happen, because you'll still have imperium vs imperium. It's just that your generals are getting along for this campaign, even if you're fighting 'yourself' against another imperial army.

 jasper76 wrote:
Necrons got nerfed! Anyone want 60 Ork Boyz?

But I like the chart!

I'll take 'em!

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

Well fortunately for me every heavy weapon Slot I can take has Plasma and my Plasma wont melt in my hands.


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Even my basic troops can have a 36" plasma weapon >.>

Yeah, I really think the Imperium setup should have been separate line items for Guard, Marines (except GK), and Inq/GK/SoB. Not sure which category Knights would belong to, but probably in with Marines. Guard should be Battle Brothers with Marines, Allies of Convenience with Inquisition (too much distrust on the =][='s part), Chaos Marines (renegades), Tau (Gue'vesa), and Orks (using Blood Axe mercs), Desperate Allies with Dark Eldar, and Come the Apocalypse with Daemons, Necron, and Nids. =][= should be BB with Marines, Convenience with Guard and Eldar (can usually be trusted about as far as you can throw them, which is still better than other xenos), Come the Apocalypse with Nids and both Chaos, and Desperate with the rest.

 Jimsolo wrote:
While I personally despise the army and laugh whenever something bad befalls it, from an objective standpoint, the new allies matrix appears to once again give the middle finger to Tyranids players.

Clearly you missed the buff that is Tyranids can actually ally with some!!!

It just so happens to be more 'Nids. Take that as you will, but we can now say that Tyranids aren't totally screwed (3 Flyrants without Double FoC anyone?).

 Bludbaff wrote:
Yeah, I really think the Imperium setup should have been separate line items for Guard, Marines (except GK), and Inq/GK/SoB. Not sure which category Knights would belong to, but probably in with Marines. Guard should be Battle Brothers with Marines, Allies of Convenience with Inquisition (too much distrust on the =][='s part), Chaos Marines (renegades), Tau (Gue'vesa), and Orks (using Blood Axe mercs), Desperate Allies with Dark Eldar, and Come the Apocalypse with Daemons, Necron, and Nids. =][= should be BB with Marines, Convenience with Guard and Eldar (can usually be trusted about as far as you can throw them, which is still better than other xenos), Come the Apocalypse with Nids and both Chaos, and Desperate with the rest.

I agree IG and SM should be BB and they should have SOB/GK/INQ as BB together and allies of conviences to the others (SM/IG). The reason being is GK work for the INQ and not with the rest of the SM is all.


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 ace101 wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
While I personally despise the army and laugh whenever something bad befalls it, from an objective standpoint, the new allies matrix appears to once again give the middle finger to Tyranids players.

Clearly you missed the buff that is Tyranids can actually ally with some!!!

It just so happens to be more 'Nids. Take that as you will, but we can now say that Tyranids aren't totally screwed (3 Flyrants without Double FoC anyone?).

Thats just....... just..... unfair T.T

 Guilldog wrote:
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 ace101 wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
While I personally despise the army and laugh whenever something bad befalls it, from an objective standpoint, the new allies matrix appears to once again give the middle finger to Tyranids players.

Clearly you missed the buff that is Tyranids can actually ally with some!!!

It just so happens to be more 'Nids. Take that as you will, but we can now say that Tyranids aren't totally screwed (3 Flyrants without Double FoC anyone?).

Thats just....... just..... unfair T.T

Add Skyblight on to that and we have a true Flying Circus.

Just on the traitor guard stuff, don't the Cultists have the same stats and much of the same weaponry as the AM?

 baxter123 wrote:
Just on the traitor guard stuff, don't the Cultists have the same stats and much of the same weaponry as the AM?

If by same you mean have access to heavy weapon squad, orders, special weapons, tanks, and artillery? not to mention flying las cannon boxs and now un godly ammounts of divination psykers?

The text in focus talks about the blood angels / necrons brofist, despite being CTA. Makes me want to see what the actual rules are.

If CTA is the old DA, then folks can still have their renegade guard.

Glad to see battle brothers makes a little more sense this time around.

 Desubot wrote:

 baxter123 wrote:
Just on the traitor guard stuff, don't the Cultists have the same stats and much of the same weaponry as the AM?

If by same you mean have access to heavy weapon squad, orders, special weapons, tanks, and artillery? not to mention flying las cannon boxs and now un godly ammounts of divination psykers?

ill even add to this that the IG have better weapons ( cultists have auto-pistols) compared to lasguns for the same cost and i think they get grenades too iirc.

yeah this matrix is lame.
IOM sooo many fluff no no's there
CSM are better friends with orks and dark eldar than IG? wait what?

yeah i dont entirely get dumping all the IOM stuff into one. i can understand if it was marines-->IG-->GK + SOB + Inq --> that kind of thing but that would just tell us how the next round of codecies would look as compiling the books would seem to be on the cards.

pros;
taudar only AOC.

this will depend on how the rules for desperate allies and AOC works... because isnt it that the come the apoc side is just dont deploy within 12" then its DA. so ill reserve total judgement but not overly impressed..

 ace101 wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
While I personally despise the army and laugh whenever something bad befalls it, from an objective standpoint, the new allies matrix appears to once again give the middle finger to Tyranids players.

Clearly you missed the buff that is Tyranids can actually ally with some!!!

It just so happens to be more 'Nids. Take that as you will, but we can now say that Tyranids aren't totally screwed (3 Flyrants without Double FoC anyone?).

Yeah, I think Tyranids have improved markedly with the new Alliance chart...
1. We now get free slots. Seriously, who wasn't already take 3 troops with Tyranids?
2. Most of the Battle brother combos have been reduced. 2 out of the big 3 (Taudar and TauMarines, not D/Eldar) have been nerfed.
3. Imperial Armies BB will increase, but usually there is less cheese. Also, it will all be to include Psychic Buffs, which Nids can deny with (hopefully, FAQ pending) greater ease than others. No more Buffmanders!

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

Well fortunately for me every heavy weapon Slot I can take has Plasma and my Plasma wont melt in my hands.


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Even my basic troops can have a 36" plasma weapon >.>

And this is why i DS/Shunt with my GK's all those shiney plama weapons dont mean sqaut when you have a bunch of guys with power weapons pounding your face into the earth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA

There's nothing unfluffy about all Imperial armies being battle-brothers with one another.

If by same you mean have access to heavy weapon squad, orders, special weapons, tanks, and artillery? not to mention flying las cannon boxs and now un godly ammounts of divination psykers?

ill even add to this that the IG have better weapons ( cultists have auto-pistols) compared to lasguns for the same cost and i think they get grenades too iirc.

yeah this matrix is lame.
IOM sooo many fluff no no's there
CSM are better friends with orks and dark eldar than IG? wait what?

yeah i dont entirely get dumping all the IOM stuff into one. i can understand if it was marines-->IG-->GK + SOB + Inq --> that kind of thing but that would just tell us how the next round of codecies would look as compiling the books would seem to be on the cards.

Like i said i think they should make a supplement for the IG for traitor gaurd. And yeah thats what i was saying SM+IG and SOB+GK+INQ for BB and maybe make those two groups as AOC. That would solve the problem of the IG having better weapons the the cultist for the same price and allow another way for IG to be played. And to top it off the traitor gaurd could have access to the deamon powers everyone is so up in arms about leaving the regular IG pure to fight for the IOM.

 Guilldog wrote:

If by same you mean have access to heavy weapon squad, orders, special weapons, tanks, and artillery? not to mention flying las cannon boxs and now un godly ammounts of divination psykers?

ill even add to this that the IG have better weapons ( cultists have auto-pistols) compared to lasguns for the same cost and i think they get grenades too iirc.

yeah this matrix is lame.
IOM sooo many fluff no no's there
CSM are better friends with orks and dark eldar than IG? wait what?

yeah i dont entirely get dumping all the IOM stuff into one. i can understand if it was marines-->IG-->GK + SOB + Inq --> that kind of thing but that would just tell us how the next round of codecies would look as compiling the books would seem to be on the cards.

Like i said i think they should make a supplement for the IG for traitor gaurd. And yeah thats what i was saying SM+IG and SOB+GK+INQ for BB and maybe make those two groups as AOC. That would solve the problem of the IG having better weapons the the cultist for the same price and allow another way for IG to be played. And to top it off the traitor gaurd could have access to the deamon powers everyone is so up in arms about leaving the regular IG pure to fight for the IOM.

i agree with you, or just an FAQ/erratta to say IG may be traitor guard (not gonna happen) but yes thats what it should be... i mean IG should be AOC with juuust about everyone lol feed them and they fight.

though as i said as well if they did that, then you can forsee the incoming codex squish...

No one here thinks that the company that brought you Codex: Legion of the Damned and Codex: IG Stormtroopers won't try to sell you a digital codex for traitor guard, an army list which has in some form existed in the past?

 greyknight12 wrote:
No one here thinks that the company that brought you Codex: Legion of the Damned and Codex: IG Stormtroopers won't try to sell you a digital codex for traitor guard, an army list which has in some form existed in the past?

OMG please... ill take a digital one here and NOW lol...
i am waiting for all my 7th ed ammendments on all my other ones too.

 greyknight12 wrote:
No one here thinks that the company that brought you Codex: Legion of the Damned and Codex: IG Stormtroopers won't try to sell you a digital codex for traitor guard, an army list which has in some form existed in the past?

Thats exactly what i think will happen.

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

Well fortunately for me every heavy weapon Slot I can take has Plasma and my Plasma wont melt in my hands.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Even my basic troops can have a 36" plasma weapon >.>

And this is why i DS/Shunt with my GK's all those shiney plama weapons dont mean sqaut when you have a bunch of guys with power weapons pounding your face into the earth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah DS right next to my dudes so that I can gun you down... Eldar are pretty much king of killing armor with their new Bladestorm rule. 40 S4 shots with BS4. I might not get alot of wounds but every 6 I roll is auto wounding at AP2...

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

Well fortunately for me every heavy weapon Slot I can take has Plasma and my Plasma wont melt in my hands.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Even my basic troops can have a 36" plasma weapon >.>

And this is why i DS/Shunt with my GK's all those shiney plama weapons dont mean sqaut when you have a bunch of guys with power weapons pounding your face into the earth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah DS right next to my dudes so that I can gun you down... Eldar are pretty much king of killing armor with their new Bladestorm rule. 40 S4 shots with BS4. I might not get alot of wounds but every 6 I roll is auto wounding at AP2...

iknow there pseudo rending is pretty sweet i had myself a decent eldar army a little while ago. Just saying it all depends on how everything is set up and the game really but yeah youd prolly get a couple but when i get into cc heaven help you lol.

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

Well fortunately for me every heavy weapon Slot I can take has Plasma and my Plasma wont melt in my hands.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Even my basic troops can have a 36" plasma weapon >.>

And this is why i DS/Shunt with my GK's all those shiney plama weapons dont mean sqaut when you have a bunch of guys with power weapons pounding your face into the earth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah DS right next to my dudes so that I can gun you down... Eldar are pretty much king of killing armor with their new Bladestorm rule. 40 S4 shots with BS4. I might not get alot of wounds but every 6 I roll is auto wounding at AP2...

iknow there pseudo rending is pretty sweet i had myself a decent eldar army a little while ago. Just saying it all depends on how everything is set up and the game really but yeah youd prolly get a couple but when i get into cc heaven help you lol.

I don't know... I have won some pretty sick combat against space marines with guardians... And made them flee! If I am close enough to shoot at you with guardians I am probably close enough to assault you too... I would deffinately shoot you 40 times followed by a 40 attack assault... and seeing as hiw even guardians are initative 5... I might get a few more with close combat attacks and sacrifice a low cost unit in return for it.

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

Well fortunately for me every heavy weapon Slot I can take has Plasma and my Plasma wont melt in my hands.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Even my basic troops can have a 36" plasma weapon >.>

And this is why i DS/Shunt with my GK's all those shiney plama weapons dont mean sqaut when you have a bunch of guys with power weapons pounding your face into the earth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah DS right next to my dudes so that I can gun you down... Eldar are pretty much king of killing armor with their new Bladestorm rule. 40 S4 shots with BS4. I might not get alot of wounds but every 6 I roll is auto wounding at AP2...

iknow there pseudo rending is pretty sweet i had myself a decent eldar army a little while ago. Just saying it all depends on how everything is set up and the game really but yeah youd prolly get a couple but when i get into cc heaven help you lol.

I don't know... I have won some pretty sick combat against space marines with guardians... And made them flee! If I am close enough to shoot at you with guardians I am probably close enough to assault you too... I would deffinately shoot you 40 times followed by a 40 attack assault... and seeing as hiw even guardians are initative 5... I might get a few more with close combat attacks and sacrifice a low cost unit in return for it.

lol yeah thats does sound scary but like i said it all depends on table, terrain and timing. We could what if forever. I mean yeah thats alot of attacks, but im pretty sure draigo 9 pali's with and apothacary + a DK close by could eat it, turn around and ruin that units day. and GK's dont run! like i said i'd have to meet you and the table and toss the dice lol!

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.

Shoot it off the board... KILL IT WITH PLASMA!

nasty thought aint it.

Well fortunately for me every heavy weapon Slot I can take has Plasma and my Plasma wont melt in my hands.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Even my basic troops can have a 36" plasma weapon >.>

And this is why i DS/Shunt with my GK's all those shiney plama weapons dont mean sqaut when you have a bunch of guys with power weapons pounding your face into the earth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah DS right next to my dudes so that I can gun you down... Eldar are pretty much king of killing armor with their new Bladestorm rule. 40 S4 shots with BS4. I might not get alot of wounds but every 6 I roll is auto wounding at AP2...

iknow there pseudo rending is pretty sweet i had myself a decent eldar army a little while ago. Just saying it all depends on how everything is set up and the game really but yeah youd prolly get a couple but when i get into cc heaven help you lol.

I don't know... I have won some pretty sick combat against space marines with guardians... And made them flee! If I am close enough to shoot at you with guardians I am probably close enough to assault you too... I would deffinately shoot you 40 times followed by a 40 attack assault... and seeing as hiw even guardians are initative 5... I might get a few more with close combat attacks and sacrifice a low cost unit in return for it.

lol yeah thats does sound scary but like i said it all depends on table, terrain and timing. We could what if forever. I mean yeah thats alot of attacks, but im pretty sure draigo 9 pali's with and apothacary + a DK close by could eat it, turn around and ruin that units day. and GK's dont run! like i said i'd have to meet you and the table and toss the dice lol!

LOL maybe ill get stationed out in Hawaii one day. The we can have our matchup.

I leave hawaii in two weeks. But who knows its a small world