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2014/05/21 17:27:25
Subject: Re:New Allied Matrix
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 Ond Angel wrote:I can't tell, but are SM and Orks Allies of Convenience, or does that say Come the Apoc?
Come the Apocalypse
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2014/05/21 17:37:05
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Regarding the loss of IG being able to ally with Chaos, personally I think it makes sense from a fluff perspective. Traitor IG aren't the same faction as loyalist IG (which the allies matrix represents), so having loyalists be more tolerant of Chaos never made much sense fluff-wise.
Though I do sympathise with those who had an army of traitor IG built up, and who now have to work around the new allies matrix somehow.
I know exactly what you're getting at.
Their aesthetics blend very nicely. They're going to look just fabulous together.
The Sisters don't anymore. They can of course still work alongside the Inquisition, they're just not Chamber Militant to the Ordo Hereticus anymore.
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2014/05/21 17:37:19
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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 Nightlord1987 wrote:The only reason Chaos doesn't get Friends with Benefits with AM anymore is because there are no Traitor Guard MODELS. After all, that seems to be the trend for axing certain units lately... Blame the Cadians.
Tell that to my Dozerblades.
They read: "FOR BE'LAKOR".
All of them.
Every tank has iconography.
Every man (when I finally get around to painting them) will have letters on their shoulder pads that spell the names of daemons.
Half my IG models atm are DV cultist gunmen.
My psykers are the melee cultists.
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2014/05/21 17:42:09
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
Schofield Barracks Hawaii
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The Sisters don't anymore. They can of course still work alongside the Inquisition, they're just not Chamber Militant to the Ordo Hereticus anymore.
When did this happen (guess im not up to date on my sisters fluff)
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2014/05/21 17:59:50
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Preacher of the Emperor
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 Guilldog wrote:When did this happen (guess im not up to date on my sisters fluff)
Basically, the Inquisition codex only lists the Hereticus as "watching" the Sisters (among other organisations). No special relationship between the two is mentioned. The whole Sisters as Chamber Militant to the Hereticus thing only came about to explain the two sharing a codex back in 3E anyway. Now that the Sisters are back to their own codex, I suppose that GW decided to revert that change away.
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2014/05/21 18:01:16
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
Schofield Barracks Hawaii
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 Troike wrote: Guilldog wrote:When did this happen (guess im not up to date on my sisters fluff)
Basically, the Inquisition codex only lists the Hereticus as "watching" the Sisters (among other organisations). No special relationship between the two is mentioned.
The whole Sisters as Chamber Militant to the Hereticus thing only came about to explain the two sharing a codex back in 3E anyway. Now that the Sisters are back to their own codex, I suppose that GW decided to revert that change away.
So who is serving as Chamber militant now?
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2014/05/21 18:15:26
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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 Selym wrote: Nightlord1987 wrote:The only reason Chaos doesn't get Friends with Benefits with AM anymore is because there are no Traitor Guard MODELS. After all, that seems to be the trend for axing certain units lately... Blame the Cadians.
Tell that to my Dozerblades.
They read: "FOR BE'LAKOR".
All of them.
Every tank has iconography.
Every man (when I finally get around to painting them) will have letters on their shoulder pads that spell the names of daemons.
Half my IG models atm are DV cultist gunmen.
My psykers are the melee cultists.
You could run your traitor guard as Vrak's renegade militia list.
Which is admittedly far worse (we're talking bottom tier book here) than the AM in virtually every way there is to be worse.
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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/21 18:27:36
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Assault Kommando
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What about Space wolves and Dark Angels now are BB? lol
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2014/05/21 18:39:52
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They have an old rivalry, yes. But they haven't actually attacked each other.
Grey Knights and Space Wolves, however.... 
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2014/05/21 19:34:24
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Nobody, as far as I know. In fact, I think I recall hearing that the term "chamber militant" has since fallen out of use.
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2014/05/21 19:35:48
Subject: New Allied Matrix
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Mighty Vampire Count
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They have an old rivalry, yes. But they haven't actually attacked each other.
Grey Knights and Space Wolves, however....
Although the issues between the GK and SW are very recent in the 40k history.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos 
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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2014/05/23 00:28:28
Subject: Re:New Allied Matrix
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
Schofield Barracks Hawaii
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Into the fires of battle, unto the anvil of war!
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2014/05/23 01:04:50
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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YES! We can finally embark on allied transports. Fina-freaking-ly. Hopefully this will make transport vehicles more useful again.
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2014/05/23 01:56:29
Subject: Re:New Allied Matrix
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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 Psienesis wrote: Guilldog wrote:I like how they rolled up Grey Knights, SM's and SOB all together in one block.
They rolled all the Imperial armies into one. So now Sisters are somehow BB with Space Wolves, and Space Wolves BB with the Inquisition and GK.
That makes no kind of sense.
Hey, what about the bigger heresy of allying SW with Dark Angels? Not that anyone actually would anyway, but y'know... 
Also, I hope the red and orange are better differentiated in person, from this picture they appear to bleed together.
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2014/05/23 04:33:29
Subject: Re:New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Hellish Haemonculus
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This is just all too damn awesome for words. So happy.
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2014/05/23 04:36:35
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Wraith
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Waaaghpower wrote:YES! We can finally embark on allied transports. Fina-freaking-ly. Hopefully this will make transport vehicles more useful again.
Not sure if sarcasm...
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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2014/05/23 04:38:48
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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 TheKbob wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:YES! We can finally embark on allied transports. Fina-freaking-ly. Hopefully this will make transport vehicles more useful again.
Not sure if sarcasm...
Termies in Chimeras.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 04:40:21
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Wraith
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 Kain wrote: TheKbob wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:YES! We can finally embark on allied transports. Fina-freaking-ly. Hopefully this will make transport vehicles more useful again.
Not sure if sarcasm...
Termies in Chimeras.
Lots of things in Storm Ravens, Wave Serpents, Raiders, Venoms, Land Raider (particularly Blood Angels variants), etc.
What can we squeeze into a Vendetta these days?
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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2014/05/23 04:43:43
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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TheKbob wrote: Kain wrote: TheKbob wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:YES! We can finally embark on allied transports. Fina-freaking-ly. Hopefully this will make transport vehicles more useful again.
Not sure if sarcasm...
Termies in Chimeras.
Lots of things in Storm Ravens, Wave Serpents, Raiders, Venoms, Land Raider (particularly Blood Angels variants), etc.
What can we squeeze into a Vendetta these days?
Well you can't fit enough marines with special weapons....
Oooh I know!
Special weapon squad 30k marines!
Or SoB Celestians.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 04:47:20
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Wraith
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Kain wrote: TheKbob wrote: Kain wrote: TheKbob wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:YES! We can finally embark on allied transports. Fina-freaking-ly. Hopefully this will make transport vehicles more useful again.
Not sure if sarcasm...
Termies in Chimeras.
Lots of things in Storm Ravens, Wave Serpents, Raiders, Venoms, Land Raider (particularly Blood Angels variants), etc.
What can we squeeze into a Vendetta these days?
Well you can't fit enough marines with special weapons....
Oooh I know!
Special weapon squad 30k marines!
Or SoB Celestians.
Nah, Sternguard.
Or Lone Wolves. Because that'd be hilarious.
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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2014/05/23 04:59:24
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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TheKbob wrote: Kain wrote: TheKbob wrote: Kain wrote: TheKbob wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:YES! We can finally embark on allied transports. Fina-freaking-ly. Hopefully this will make transport vehicles more useful again.
Not sure if sarcasm...
Termies in Chimeras.
Lots of things in Storm Ravens, Wave Serpents, Raiders, Venoms, Land Raider (particularly Blood Angels variants), etc.
What can we squeeze into a Vendetta these days?
Well you can't fit enough marines with special weapons....
Oooh I know!
Special weapon squad 30k marines!
Or SoB Celestians.
Nah, Sternguard.
Or Lone Wolves. Because that'd be hilarious.
Movie marines!
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 07:35:27
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Really liking those new battle brothers rules. Am even more encouraged to pick up Inquisition allies for my Sisters now.
Kain wrote:Well you can't fit enough marines with special weapons....
Oooh I know!
Special weapon squad 30k marines!
Or SoB Celestians.
Did you mean Dominions? They're the best unit for transport-embarked special weapons in the SoB.
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2014/05/23 07:39:12
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Troike wrote:Really liking those new battle brothers rules. Am even more encouraged to pick up Inquisition allies for my Sisters now.
Kain wrote:Well you can't fit enough marines with special weapons....
Oooh I know!
Special weapon squad 30k marines!
Or SoB Celestians.
Did you mean Dominions? They're the best unit for transport-embarked special weapons in the SoB.
Those are the ones that can get a large number of meltas and function as pseudo-fire dragons up until you get past five (wo)man unit size right?
Then those.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 07:45:38
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Kain wrote:Those are the ones that can get a large number of meltas and function as pseudo-fire dragons up until you get past five (wo)man unit size right?
Yep. That's them.
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2014/05/23 07:54:12
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Troike wrote: Kain wrote:Those are the ones that can get a large number of meltas and function as pseudo-fire dragons up until you get past five (wo)man unit size right?
Yep. That's them.
Ah I first thought of Dominions but then hesitated and went with Celestians instead, I'm silly.
Seems like a good monstrous creature or vehicle hunter squad.
Between the vendetta's lascannons and the Dominions' meltaguns, pretty much any vehicle or monstrous creature is going to be dead.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 09:41:59
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Especially since Dominions have both Scout and a one Shot Ignore Cover for all their guns for a turn 
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
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2014/05/23 10:21:47
Subject: Re:New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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Glad I haven't started that Traitor Guard detachment I used to think about some time ago. DE are and will be Desperate Allies with CSM still, so no change here.
The new Battle Brothers rules and Malefic powers prompt me to consider a small Slaaneshi Daemons detachment again...
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Drukhari - 4.7k
Space Marines - 3.1k
Chaos Space Marines - 2.9k
Harlequins - 0.9k
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2014/05/23 11:08:50
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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Guess even traitor guard distrust demons and chaos marines.
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2014/05/23 11:19:33
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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 Mythra wrote:Guess even traitor guard distrust demons and chaos marines.
Yet we see Tau with Necrons, Chaos with Necrons, and Eldar and Space Marines summoning Daemons....
Given that we got a full entry for the Lost and the Damned in the 6th ed Rulebook, perhaps we are getting a supplement or something. I wonder if they get a section in the new Rulebook too.
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‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
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2014/05/23 11:21:49
Subject: New Allied Matrix [Battle Brothers rules posted]
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 da001 wrote: Mythra wrote:Guess even traitor guard distrust demons and chaos marines.
Yet we see Tau with Necrons, Chaos with Necrons, and Eldar and Space Marines summoning Daemons....
Given that we got a full entry for the Lost and the Damned in the 6th ed Rulebook, perhaps we are getting a supplement or something. I wonder if they get a section in the new Rulebook too.
I wouldn't be able to resist such a Supplement. You hear that GW? My money is waiting.
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Space Marines - 3.1k
Chaos Space Marines - 2.9k
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