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So, say the Dark angels are finally accused of heresy. The grey knights show up on their doorstep. in your opinion, based on the endless fluff we have, who would win.

Chaos.

assumning the dark angels aren't VASTLY stronger then a standard chapter (sure the deathwings exact numbers aren't known but it gets progresssivly harder to keep a secrect the more people you have in on it. it's proably not much larger then other chapters terminator companies) I'd give an edge to the GKs. that said it'll be a costly battle and as someone else said the only real winner will be chaos.

 raiden wrote:
So, say the Dark angels are finally accused of heresy. The grey knights show up on their doorstep. in your opinion, based on the endless fluff we have, who would win.

Depends a hundred percent on the circumstances of the battle. Depending on your source and how much warning is available one side or the other might have the advantage of numbers, depends on where the battle occurs, depends on who's in command and what blunders they might make. There's also the slight issue that the Grey Knights aren't deployed en masse to deal with renegade Space Marine Chapters (their arsenal's not built for it) so you're more likely to see a Space Marines on Space Marines campaign not unlike the Badab War instead of a Grey Knights versus Dark Angels head-to-head engagement.

But if for some bizarre and unknowable reason several Companies of Grey Knights took the field against a roughly equivalent force of Dark Angels I'm going to guess the Dark Angels would come out on top based on their superior anti-MEQ arsenal of plasma weapons versus the GK theory of massed short-ranged AP4/5 fire.

considering grey knights have 1000 approx. suits of terminator armour, they win. terminator >bikes.

Like when they attacked the Relictors, the Grey Knights would win, scattering the Dark Angels but probably not managing to exterminate them. The trouble occurs when the Dark Angel remnants disperse amongst and rally the Unforgiven, but presumably the Grey Knights have the backing of the Inquisition and the wider Imperium if the Heresy of the Dark Angels was clear.

Dark Angels.

The Dark Angels are effectively a Legion. Roughly 10% of all Chapters are DA successors. There are roughly a thousand chapters. That means there are around a hundred DA chapters.

Every Dark Angels Successor Chapter at full strength will have over a 1000 Astartes (as both the Deathwing and Ravenwing have over a 100 Space Marines per company), leading to over a 100.000 Dark Angels fighting those 1000 Grey Knights.

Plus, Dark Angels have the Rock, and all that fancy secret weapon stuff within.

Would the GK's be able to take down The Rock tho?

I would agree that the GK's would win if they all go 100% in a ground conflict. Would be interesting tho since DA would be defenders and all the fluff supports them beeing nasty to take out when defending.

The GK arrive. Rock blows up fleet. GK remember this isn't their job and leave. Dark Angels win.

Man to man, a Dark Angels Astartes is going to have a hard time beating a Grey Knight. However, the Angels would probably be able to bring more men and weapons to bear. I agree with Anomander though. If the Inquisition calls for the purging of the Dark Angels, many loyal chapters will come to the Dark Angels aid. The Grey Knights are tough, but they can bleed like everyone else. Unless they are so great and mighty that they can predict every single move of other chapters.

 raiden wrote:
So, say the Dark angels are finally accused of heresy. The grey knights show up on their doorstep. in your opinion, based on the endless fluff we have, who would win.

Really that would be the chamber militant of the Order Herictus tho. Grey Knights deal with Daemons. So unless their chapter master was possessed or something of that nature it'd prolly be the SOB who deal them (i know they arent exactly the Chamber Militant anymore but still) and in that case i'd say the sisters would win on the basis of superior number and the aid of his majesties inquisition.

I am a dark angels fanboy but with the number of sucessor chapters they have and the fact that all of those chapter masters are part of the inner circle and know what this means to the sons of the lion the GK wouldnt be taking on just the dark angels. The gk would be fighting chapter after chapter all organized like the dark angels with entire companies of bikes and tda veterans. If the gk dont come completely unanounced and get the drop on the DA then the GK have no chance against those numbers. If the gk bring the IG with them in force then they have the edge. I would think that if the gk was coming to take down such a prestegious chapter as the DA then i doubt it would be such a huge public thing. The DA are masters of secrets and if the gk came knocking they would be ready, crush them 100% in a single fight and make the evidence disappear.

 Guilldog wrote:

 raiden wrote:
So, say the Dark angels are finally accused of heresy. The grey knights show up on their doorstep. in your opinion, based on the endless fluff we have, who would win.

Really that would be the chamber militant of the Order Herictus tho. Grey Knights deal with Daemons. So unless their chapter master was possessed or something of that nature it'd prolly be the SOB who deal them (i know they arent exactly the Chamber Militant anymore but still) and in that case i'd say the sisters would win on the basis of superior number and the aid of his majesties inquisition.

I agree that the task of taking down the DA would fall to the Ordo Hereticus, not the Ordo Malleus. I think the only reason the Grey Knights were sent after the relictors is because they had the arsenal of demon weapons, which falls under OM jurisdiction. Generally the Grey Knights don't go after Space Marines, even CSM. They are specifically for anti-demon work. The sisters are more for like traitor guard or insurrections, I don't think they get tasked with putting down marine chapters too often.

Usually in this situation the Ordo Hereticus would round up a bunch of loyal SM chapters and roll mob deep on whoever was being excommunicated. This works out pretty well, since the SM are motivated to fight since they get to split up any captured wargear amongst themselves, and they will get the deed to whatever planets the chapter getting wiped out currently claims. So for them it's a pretty good deal, assuming things don't turn pear shaped. Sisters aren't really set up to take down marines, and they can't use much of the equipment they would get even if the campaign was successful-- since sister bolters and PA are not interchangeable with SM wargear, as far as I understand.

I think it is interesting to think about what would happen if the witchhunters stirred this up though, since I don't think the legion building of the DA is well known. Some inquisitor shows up with 3-4000 marines, is tangling with the Rock and the DA fleet and then 10-15,000 unforgiven warp in behind them. That's a bad day.