Necrons in 7th

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**Kholzerino**

Yep. Even so. I'm still surprised they did so well and impressed withthe generalship necessary to win with them.

**Jpr**

Kholzerino wrote:
So Pylonstar just won Caledonian Uprising, the biggest 40k event in the UK. List was:

Obyron

Overlord (Phaeron, Semp Weave, Phase Shifter, Warscythe)

5 Warriors

5 Warriors

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths (1 whip coil)

A Barge

A Barge

3 x Sentry Pylon (death rays obvs)

Eldar Allies:

Farseer (Jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath'lan)

3 x Jetbikes

The tournament featured ETC players from Scotland, England, Belgium and Holland (not sure if there were any others there) as well as local tounrament winners from all over the country. VERY competent generals.

Wish I'd painted mine up and brought them now, though I think James Ramsay obviously played them very well.

Hi I'm James the pylon player.

The list is really fun to use , the pylons are good but definitely not unbeatable I got lucky dodging counters.

The summonseer was in because originally the TO had ruled them raw and I was using him to summon daemons like screamers to increase the hits caused (lame I know.. I'm evil

) but 3-4 days before event tim changed his mind because of how bonkers it was which is fair enough. I used him to put extra pressure on or shore up backfield.

Any questions let me know.

**skoffs**

So this won playing the conservative RAI way? (eg. hits generated are only applied to the individual units the line passes over, not the shared "Line passes over 2 models in unit A and 8 models in unit B, so both units take 20 S10 AP1 hits" way?)
If so, then all the more impressive!
(and further confirmation that the WAAC broken method need not always be played for SentryStar to be good)

**Galorian**

skoffs wrote:
So this won playing the conservative RAI way? (eg. hits generated are only applied to the individual units the line passes over, not the shared "Line passes over 2 models in unit A and 8 models in unit B, so both units take 20 S10 AP1 hits" way?)
If so, then all the more impressive!
(and further confirmation that the WAAC broken method need not always be played for SentryStar to be good)

For the record, when I first came up with this deathstar I didn't even realize the RAW implied shared hits stacking between different units...

**Jpr**

Yeah played it RAI .

**jy2**

Jpr wrote:

Hi I'm James the pylon player.

The list is really fun to use , the pylons are good but definitely not unbeatable I got lucky dodging counters.

The summonseer was in because originally the TO had ruled them raw and I was using him to summon daemons like screamers to increase the hits caused (lame I know.. I'm evil ) but 3-4 days before event tim changed his mind because of how bonkers it was which is fair enough. I used him to put extra pressure on or shore up backfield.

Any questions let me know.

Congratulations James. Very well done!

I would take the Pylonstar to tournament play, but I was concerned about how it would fare against other flyer armies (namely, massed flyrants). The Pylonstar definitely has some counters, but the ruling by the Caledonian FAQ's made it much less of a worry against some of the counters.

So you are saying that you couldn't use the Stoneseer to summon daemons? Wow....that makes a huge difference.

BTW, what armies did you play against? Would love to hear more about your experiences at Caledonian.

BTW, I gave your Round #1 Tyranid opponent some advice against your army in the Tyranid tactica thread, though I'm afraid I probably gave it to him too late (after the tournament already started). Lol. (My advice was before I knew about the Caledonian FAQ rulings.)

Wilson wrote:
So here's a question for you all;

How do I beat this???

Sentry pylons are horrific and the fact I can't jink against them is brutal. How do I deal with them??? I'd need two turns of shooting at them with my 3 Flyrants to statistically finish them - that's mental.

But if I focus on the pylons then I'm ignoring the 15 wraiths Floating around the board.

I love this necron list. HATE the fact I have to play it though :[

I don't believe those pylons should be able to hit your FMC's when they are swooping so just go and kill everything else. You can save the pylonstar for last. Just make sure you spread out. And try to go first against them. Going 2nd can be really, really bad. You may think that staying within malanthrope range is good against them, but it really isn't.

BTW, pure RAW for the deathray is stupid. Say, you have 2 flyrants in range of your malan. He then hits all 3 with the DR line with 3 pylons. Do you know how many S10 AP1 hits each unit will take? By pure RAW, that's 18 S10 AP1 hits on EACH FRIGGIN' UNIT!!!

Anyways, some tips:

1. Always stay in cover or jink against Pylon shooting.

2. Target priority. I would go with this:

A) Farseer+jetbikes if you can reach them. You don't want that bastard summoning. Keep him in Shadows range if it is convenient, but don't go out of your ways to do so.

B) Wraiths or Annibarges. Don't go out of your ways to kill those annibarges because it may take you out of position. Whichever is more convenient (most likely the wraiths), focus on that. Make sure to FOCUS-FIRE on them.

C) Troops

D) Pylonstar. If you focus on it, try to position your flyrants so that they hit in on the side without any characters.

3. SPREAD OUT!

4. Be prepared to lose units. Don't play in too much of a protective mode. That's the problem with a lot of players sometimes. They're too afraid to lose units and so they don't play them like they should. Treat every single unit in your army as a pawn waiting to be sacrificed if it can bring your army closer to victory. And that includes your flyrants as well.

5. Mawloc can go after the pylonstar. They won't do as much damage due to majority T7, but they'll hit probably 6-8 times if they land directly. Priority should be the summoning farseer, but if that is not feasible, then go after the pylonstar with your mawloc(s). BTW, if the farseer uses his spirit stones to summon daemons, he won't have an Invuln save. That means you can potentially kill him with the mawloc or force him to do a lot of Look-Out-Sirs.

Ok, hope that helps.

**Jpr**

jy2 wrote:

Congratulations James. Very well done!

I would take the Pylonstar to tournament play, but I was concerned about how it would fare against other flyer armies (namely, massed flyrants). The Pylonstar definitely has some counters, but the ruling by the Caledonian FAQ's made it much less of a worry against some of the counters.

So you are saying that you couldn't use the Stoneseer to summon daemons? Wow....that makes a huge difference.

BTW, what armies did you play against? Would love to hear more about your experiences at Caledonian.

BTW, I gave your Round #1 Tyranid opponent some advice against your army in the Tyranid tactica thread, though I'm afraid I probably gave it to him too late (after the tournament already started). Lol. (My advice was before I knew about the Caledonian FAQ rulings.)

Yeah flyers it can be weak to, as you mentioned it had a favourable FAQ ruling which always helps. I had to fire all 3 beams the same direction from the same point (no splitting), couldn't shoot into combat but it was able to hit FMCs and no jinks were allowed to be declared from its shooting.

I played 2 tyranid players, 2 tau players and 1 daemon player. If the tourney had gone 6 rounds I probably would have played another tau broadside spam or Ad lance army. All my opponents were really friendly and played well and I was a bit lucky in some games.

I think I confused you with the summonseer. I was able to summon daemons but my reason for including him originally was because the pylons originally were ruled RAW hits so I generated daemons that I could use to increase the hits on targets...summon 3 screamers and turbo them in a line next to a knight = 24 str 10 on the knight..., however they changed to a RAI ruling for hits 3-4 days before the event which was fine..the organiser realised it would have been a bit silly.

Yeah that advise seems pretty decent, it was a difficult mission for him and setup so he was forced to come at me.

**oz of the north**

So I know this isnt about the pylonstar, but has anyone ran pistol upgrade on wraiths, maybe give them some overwatch or atleast a ranged weapon.

**CrownAxe**

oz of the north wrote:
So I know this isnt about the pylonstar, but has anyone ran pistol upgrade on wraiths, maybe give them some overwatch or atleast a ranged weapon.

The pistol is a heavy weapon. End of story

**Jpr**

The guy who came 4th at Caledonian with necrons was using a unit of 6 wraiths with exile pistols with a relentless overlord, obyron and Zahndrekh (dont think zahndrekh was in the wraiths but he was in the list). He was using them to tap out imperial knights, wraithknights, chapter masters all sorts. Seemed to work well.

**oz of the north**

CrownAxe wrote:
oz of the north wrote:
So I know this isnt about the pylonstar, but has anyone ran pistol upgrade on wraiths, maybe give them some overwatch or atleast a ranged weapon.

The pistol is a heavy weapon. End of story

I was actually thinking of using the particle caster the pistol upgrade not transdimensional beamer. Though regarding the transdimensional beamer wouldnt it be great so they would be able to do something during the shooting phase.

**changemod**

oz of the north wrote:
CrownAxe wrote:
oz of the north wrote:
So I know this isnt about the pylonstar, but has anyone ran pistol upgrade on wraiths, maybe give them some overwatch or atleast a ranged weapon.

The pistol is a heavy weapon. End of story

I was actually thinking of using the particle caster the pistol upgrade not transdimensional beamer. Though regarding the transdimensional beamer wouldnt it be great so they would be able to do something during the shooting phase.

Yes, the Pistol is actually an ideal 5 point upgrade to remember if you're a few points short at the end of your list and running Wraiths.

One extra strength 6 shot before charging. Not super amazing, but worthwhile anyhow just because it's pretty much the only 5 point wargear item in the codex.

The Transdimensional Beamer on the other hand is an utterly worthless waste of points.

**Kholzerino**

I'm playing that Necron list tomorrow (the beamer wraiths). He also had the C'Tan formation. The TO rules that you could NOT upgrade the Crypteks. So he had no veil on the C'Tan. So he too a monolith. And still came 4th. Out of 180 players. Props! And there was every kind of cheesey, broken combo there! Adamantine Lance with Everything. 15 broadsides. 6 units of wraithguard in serpents won the pure Eldar btw. For those interested. And there were more Eldar than anything else there.

The meta has never been fresher.

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I think the Grey Knights / Chaos Demons player finished top twenty also...

**Gangrel767**

So, with pictures of the new detachments coming out.... what are thoughts on this? Are the detachment limitations some events issue going to have to go the way of the dodo?

**gwarsh41**

That new detachment thing leaves me with tons of questions, and no tactical thoughts. As far as I can tell there isn't any bonus listed for following that chart. I am willing to bet it will be some strange detachment that is rarely taken.

Kholzerino, was it GK/daemons as a combo? or just that both armies were in top 20?

**Hollismason**

I can tell you right now barring any horrific changes like no more CCB w/ uberlord and Annihilation barges I will be using the hell out of the Deathbringer formation or the Annihilation formation.

Command Barge
Command Barge

Troops
5 Troops w/ Nightscythe
5 Troops w/ Nightscythe
5 Troops w/ Nightscythe

Fast Attack
???

H. Support
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge

Formation
Death Bringer
2-4 Doomscythes

My big curiosity is the Doomsday Ark and what changes may be made to that.

**xpress907**

Hollismason wrote:
I can tell you right now barring any horrific changes like no more CCB w/ uberlord and Annihilation barges I will be using the hell out of the Deathbringer formation or the Annihilation formation.

Command Barge
Command Barge

Troops
5 Troops w/ Nightscythe
5 Troops w/ Nightscythe
5 Troops w/ Nightscythe

Fast Attack
???

H. Support
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge

Formation
Death Bringer
2-4 Doomscythes

My big curiosity is the Doomsday Ark and what changes may be made to that.

Sorry, i think i missed that. How are you getting 4 Doomscythes from a formation, is it 'Death Bringer'? If so, what is the source for that formation?

**Kangodo**

It's over in the rumour forum.
With the new Codex we will have:
-Detachments
-Formations
-Decurion chart

That last one will probably deserve its own thread in YMDC.
The problem is that we cannot discuss tactics since we don't know the additional rules granted by the Auxiliary and Command-Formations.
The Core is already known, it gives MTC, Relentless and rerolls on RP of 1 within 12" of the Overlord.
Not bad for such a small Formation.

**Hollismason**

The Decurion formation looks really interesting. Yes, I will have an army of

2 CCB
2 Warriors
1 Tomblades
1 Immortals

9 C'Tans