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2015/09/06 14:50:23
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
I'm going to go in so hard Lust will blush. Err. I mean, I'ml ooking forward to the creepiness. Even more now that I'm actually making an effort to read all of Lovecraft.
The only thing worrying me is SPACE. Rum n Bones came in a ridiculously large box and that was just KS extras, base game and one additional crew. Urgh. Blood Rage, FConan, ireteam Zero and probably Black Plague still to come. With Forgotten King and AoS I'll have to livei n a cardboard cave
Has anybod experience with selling off the whole extra baggage, err, exclusuves. that comes with KS board games?
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
2015/09/06 17:53:33
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
If the game is popular it's easy on ebay (or any of the trade sites) and you should easily get your money back or more
if the game is not as popular (or bombs) it's a lot harder,
Getting yours on sale early (for the region you are in) also helps as there's always a few people desperate to get something they forgot/missed out on, but once they've picked up the stuff from early sellers there's less of a bidding frenzy
2015/09/07 17:18:47
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
If you're reading Lovecraft, I'd wait for the Cthulhu Wars: Onslaught 2 KS. The Others is more modern horror: Clive Barker, survival horror, that sort of thing.
6 Scenarios in the core box. Each scenario has 49 variations depending on which sin is in play and what acolytes they have. There is only ever 1 sin in play in a scenario. 90 minute play time.
The pledge level will be $100 that was confirmed by Eric Lang himself, no great surprise there. The KS base game is unlikely to have all 7 Sins at the start or in the retail set.
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2015/09/07 22:06:40
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
This is, like, the 17th survival horror dungeon crawler on KS in as many months. Why does anyone still give a damn about gameplay at this point? Minis only pledge, please, I have no use for another 5 lbs set of tiles and cards.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2015/09/07 22:50:13
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
lord_blackfang wrote: Why does anyone still give a damn about gameplay at this point? Minis only pledge, please, I have no use for another 5 lbs set of tiles and cards.
Because Eric Lang made some games that people liked before, so he's got a bit of a following apparently.
I seriously doubt they'll have a minis only pledge, but it's a CMON project so no doubt the "cost" of the game material will become inconsequential at some point when we're buried in minis.
I'm just curious to see if I can get a bunch of cheap monsters to use for Strange Aeons and Kings of War.
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2015/09/07 23:04:13
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
No, but since I have HeroQuest, HeroScape, and Battle Masters, I have plenty of games that use a similar mechanic.
Also, of course, pretty much every dungeoncrawler (not to mention RPG and adventure boardgame) has some sort of "roll dice to hit a target number or number of symbols" mechanic, sometimes with fancy dice, sometimes not.
It's a tired mechanic, if you've been playing since... HeroQuest but if you don't already have a dozen or so games like this in your gaming closet, another one might bring enough ideas to the table to add some novelty.
Fantasy Flight Game's Warhammer Quest card game looks like it's bringing something new to the table, since it looks more like a "puzzle" game where you're optimizing card interaction, rather than positioning figures on the board. There's still dice rolling, so we'll see how Warhammer Quest goes. Likewise, I'd like a closer look at the rules for The Others. I *do* like the Corruption mechanic of The Others: You can gain addition abilities at the cost of reducing your "hit points" (Corruption points).
lord_blackfang wrote: This is, like, the 17th survival horror dungeon crawler on KS in as many months. Why does anyone still give a damn about gameplay at this point? Minis only pledge, please, I have no use for another 5 lbs set of tiles and cards.
There will be no minis only pledge for everything included in the boxed game.
2015/09/08 13:45:55
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
And, like Blood Rage, the game will most likely be very good, coming from Eric Lang.
When will the campaign go live in Europe time? I'm not going to try and get an EB this time, but I'm curious about the way they split it up the "base" game.
PS: Thanks, guys, I'll try to sell most of the SG heroes. They're nice, but too damn many of them! I need *hours* for a single paintjob, each SG basically adds a few days/weeks of hobby time to get through the pile-o-shame stack.
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Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
2015/09/08 19:10:31
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
If you don't want the SG's, I've found CMON games at a deep discount once they hit retail. Zombicide: Rue Morgue was 50% off. However, I don't know if that's still a good deal for you after shipping, and, of course, you have to search for sales.
Production miniatures for Pride and Sloth these 2 are pretty much guaranteed to be in the core box. There are 2 variants of the Abominations you can have multiple of these in play where as the Avatar and Controller are limited to a maximum of 1.
The 5 Hell Club miniatures are also confirmed to be in the core box.
Acolytes preview from TGN (9 Acolyte sculpts have been shown so far)
Spoilers due to image size
Since they are Sin’s servants, the Acolytes are granted some powers from these entities, usually bringing a little bit more despair to the table. There are several Acolytes with different abilities for you to choose from, so you can create some cool matches between your Sin and your chosen Acolyte’s power.
Acolytes are the weakest of monsters, but they can be used strategically to hinder the heroes’ movement, or aid a stronger monster in a fight. But what truly sets each Acolyte apart is their unique power, which can be used once per round. When the power is activated, a dead Acolyte can be brought back to the board to join a fight, and each of them influences the game in a different way:
Spoiler:
Nuns were supposed to do good, to be faithful, to spread words of virtue. But not these ones. At least, not anymore. When a Corrupted Nun is summoned to a fight, the Sins player replaces a City Action from that district with a Corruption token.
Spoiler:
Doctors usually are those that fix people up. Those that care, that dedicate their lives to making people feel better. Unless they are trying to kill you or corrupt you instead. When the Doctors are summoned, the current Hero can no longer heal for that round.
Spoiler:
Hobos are the ones that always knew that the end was near. They’ve tried to warn us. But did we listen? Well, I guess nobody did, and now they’ve joined the forces of the apocalypse. Hobos will try to take your stuff, simple as that. You might just find that the weapon or equipment you were counting on to win a fight is suddenly out of your reach until next round.
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2015/09/09 14:21:56
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
JohnHwangDD wrote: The Others could have taken any of those slots, esp. the underwhelming B-seiged, but CMoN pushed the Others back in favor of those 3. The Others was claimed to be ready to launch a long time ago, but CMoN didn't launch it. I take that as a sign of low confidence.
Hey... I'm super stoked for B-Sieged, I think it looks like a blast. On topic, though, I could have sworn the kickstarter was launching yesterday while I was at work. I got home and checked right away, only for disappointment. Note to self: Tuesday =/= Thursday.
I'm not decided if I'll be pledging yet, but I'm certainly interested in how this turns out.
Kingdom Death Fanatic. Dark Eldar: Kabal of the Fragile Breath. Dark Elves: Allegiance to the Black Crown. Also, Masons, Cygnar, and Legion of Everblight. All unnamed.
Manchu wrote:
The Fragile Breath wrote: . . . something but I was distracted by the username.
Holy gak that is an awesome username. Please tell me your army is called Kabal of the Fragile Breath. Morathi's Darkest Sin has some competition here for best handle, I think.
2015/09/09 16:51:32
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
B-Seiged and Rum & Bones just don't do anything for me - the B-S monsters are cute, but overly comical to my eyes, while R&B looks like a cartoon game.
I will probably put down a marker tomorrow, to see if the minis justify a full pledge with CMoN's expensive shipping to SoCal.
Part of me thinks it'll be cheaper to buy this during the 2016 Black Friday clearance sales.
Cheaper? Sure. But a lot of the 'fun' minis tend to get included as KS extras, and if you can even get them after the campaign you'll be paying through the nose for anything more than a small handful of them.
(...And really if CMoN SoCal shipping is expensive, try Europe )
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2015/09/09 18:39:33
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
Part of me thinks it'll be cheaper to buy this during the 2016 Black Friday clearance sales.
What makes you think it'll be on Black Friday Clearance?
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JohnHwangDD wrote: B-Seiged and Rum & Bones just don't do anything for me - the B-S monsters are cute, but overly comical to my eyes, while R&B looks like a cartoon game.
What does "a cartoon game" mean?
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2015/09/09 18:53:07
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
Bolognesus wrote: Cheaper? Sure. But a lot of the 'fun' minis tend to get included as KS extras, and if you can even get them after the campaign you'll be paying through the nose for anything more than a small handful of them.
(...And really if CMoN SoCal shipping is expensive, try Europe )
That presumes that I want the extras in the first place. For example, I have zero interest in the extra KS-exclusive Zombicide Survivors, so they just sit there. The Black Plague Abominations and accessories were somewhat interesting, but the Survivors were samey "guy with sword" models - completely worthless filler.
Some European points pay less in shipping that I would for SoCal. Looking at extra near-Euro shipping rates vs "free" shipping has really cooled me on CMoN projects.
If you're a casual player, waiting for the base game and expansion to go on sale is the best deal. I've seen Zombicide: Rue Morgue at 50% off plus shipping or sales tax, and Angry Neighbors for $25. The SG's only add marginal gameplay, although they're a great value for the minis -- if you have time to paint them!
Very likely
1 Avatar of Pride
1 Avatar of Sloth
1 Pride Controller
1 Sloth Controller
In but not sure on numbers but probably 5 or 6 of each (the set up pictures for the darkness within Scenario had 5 Abominations in play and another had 6)
Pride Abominations
Sloth Abominations
Even less sure on numbers
Acolytes - there are 9 sculpts shown so far so maybe 18 or even more? these are your basic cannon fodder and you can have multiples of each type in play
plus tiles, tokens (the health and corruption appear to be 3D from the off), dashboards, cards etc.
probably a KS exclusive mini
Thats 45 or so Blood Rage started with 46 but for $75 as opposed to $100.
I've seen conflicting reports from Gencon with one person hearing 2 Sins in the box and another hearing all but 2 but either way with the rest getting added as KS progresses mostly added to the base pledge, I wonder if the pledgelevel will start with a 3rd Sin included but separately boxed. Looking at the numbers above I'm more inclined to think only 2 in the box to start. Remeber there is only ever 1 Sin in play so having multiple or all in the core box doesn't make much sense so they can do a cheaper retail box and sell the rest as expansions. We'll find out one way or another tomorrow.
Solid info has been a bit hard to come by and I haven't bothered the people I normally get news from as I don't like to ask to often and there's other stuff I'd rather know about
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2015/09/09 20:16:39
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
If you don't want the SG's, I've found CMON games at a deep discount once they hit retail. Zombicide: Rue Morgue was 50% off. However, I don't know if that's still a good deal for you after shipping, and, of course, you have to search for sales.
Sadly not.
I looked at this huge online discounter site where Americans buy their board games for 50% or so off during sales (forgot the name, it was mentioned on BGG) last year, but shipping was as much as the game itself. Or more. I think 50 $ and 60 for shipping. When the Euro was strong even such shipping cost made buying in the US attractive, bit not anymore. CMON games and stuff like SDE is really expensive in Germany, so KS often isn't that bad a deal compared to retail, especially with OUR shipping rates from CMON
It's just that I'm drowning in stuff. I spent the last two days painting 1.5 minis. They look great with all the new techniques I tried, but even with practice high level painting takes time and I'll never be able to create slap-dap paintjobs. And in all eternity I won't play RnB (or Z:BP) to need another fifty heroes. Monsters, cool. Humans, blergh.
The Others will be my last new game, I told myself last year. I will keep that promise. But for now...bring on the SGs! And the actual campaign, but we all know it'll unlock SGs before we can get the page to work
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
2015/09/09 20:30:09
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
Bolognesus wrote: Cheaper? Sure. But a lot of the 'fun' minis tend to get included as KS extras, and if you can even get them after the campaign you'll be paying through the nose for anything more than a small handful of them.
(...And really if CMoN SoCal shipping is expensive, try Europe )
That presumes that I want the extras in the first place. For example, I have zero interest in the extra KS-exclusive Zombicide Survivors, so they just sit there. The Black Plague Abominations and accessories were somewhat interesting, but the Survivors were samey "guy with sword" models - completely worthless filler.
Some European points pay less in shipping that I would for SoCal. Looking at extra near-Euro shipping rates vs "free" shipping has really cooled me on CMoN projects.
Heh, funny that. There's a bunch of survivors for ZC:BP I would really like to have but I can't justify getting the entire game. To each their own, I guess.
On the shipping: fair 'nuff. Guess I made too much of an assumption on shipping costs there. (OTOH I'm reasonably sure SoCal residents don't pay import fees/taxes on shipments from elsewhere in the US; I paid nearly 80USD extra on a USD300 bones shipment, for example).
You're right that if the huge bunch of extras don't interest you the games will be cheaper retail than via KS. If that floats your boat, have fun. Or still buy into a ZC project for example and sell the extras if you can be bothered; that's certainly the cheapest option...
2015/09/09 21:40:43
Subject: The Others - 7 Sins - Studio McVey and Guillotine Games
Alex C wrote: Anyone have any idea what will be in the core game yet?
Due to how CMoN loves fake SGs to pad their campaigns, we probably won't know for several days, maybe a week, depending on how fast things unlock.
That definitely used to be true but CMoN did not add a single item to either the core set or expansion during the Black Plague campaign and hopefully that's the direction they will be taking in the future.
but if you don't already have a dozen or so games like this in your gaming closet, another one might bring enough ideas to the table to add some novelty.
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