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 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe Pirates aren't quite the Theme that they used to be?

Pirates are soooo early 2000s, Zombies are the cool hip thing.

Do zombies kids.

Next fad... Aliens? Zombie Aliens? Sloths? or maybe Mechs/big robots.

I think sloths.

I dropped my pledge, just not liking the rules and buying the minis just to paint is not going to happen. I have boxes of unpainted minis.

Luckily a gamer can never die as long as he has unpainted minis. It's science.

Sloths could have been the next big thing if ADW had actually done something with those Ice Age Mammals, and could have been riding the success train to the bank rather than skipping town with a few grand.

Maybe we need a sloth crew. Zombie Lovecraftian Sloths.

I think the ships are really inconsequential too. MOBAs are MOBAs. That doesn't change. It's all about being in your base, shooting your dudes. Boats, castles, islands, sloths... A base is a base. And at the end of the day, all your base are belong to us, remember?

Zombies and Cthulhu were the usual 'slam dunk' campaign add-ons.

A Fish-Men/Cthulhu faction would see a spike in sales as various people started HIghlordin' it up in here...

Sloth hype

 Piston Honda wrote:


I dropped my pledge, just not liking the rules and buying the minis just to paint is not going to happen. I have boxes of unpainted minis.

Luckily a gamer can never die as long as he has unpainted minis. It's science.

That's a shame.

Rules and gameplay wise, this is probably my favorite CMoN game. And I REAAAAALLLLY like Rivet Wars.

I didn't like rivet wars. Was a bit too static. Was afraid it was going to be Dust Tactics by another name, thankfully it wasn't that bad but not a game I see getting a lot of play like Zombicide.

I got an opportunity to Play Arcadia Quest, despite my absolute hate for Chibi art style the game was was rather fun and nifty. Makes me wonder how good or bad Super Dungeon is.

 Piston Honda wrote:
I didn't like rivet wars. Was a bit too static. Was afraid it was going to be Dust Tactics by another name, thankfully it wasn't that bad but not a game I see getting a lot of play like Zombicide.

I got an opportunity to Play Arcadia Quest, despite my absolute hate for Chibi art style the game was was rather fun and nifty. Makes me wonder how good or bad Super Dungeon is.

Sad you didn't like Rivet, but thats okay! Like you, I thought it was going to be similar to Dust Tactics, but was really happy when I found out it wasn't.

I have both in my collection. They're really completely different. Only thing similar is the art style.

Arcadia Quest is a fair bit simpler, and i think lends itself a bit better to pick up and go gaming, especially with the ability to basically "troll" opponents (thats half the fun).

SDE is quite a bit more robust. I like them both quite a bit, and the art style for both has proven beneficial to getting my spouse to play them!

 Piston Honda wrote:
I didn't like rivet wars. Was a bit too static. Was afraid it was going to be Dust Tactics by another name, thankfully it wasn't that bad but not a game I see getting a lot of play like Zombicide.

I got an opportunity to Play Arcadia Quest, despite my absolute hate for Chibi art style the game was was rather fun and nifty. Makes me wonder how good or bad Super Dungeon is.

Super Dungeon is great fun and Forgotten King should be delivered to backers within the next month. It's the new core set and as well as the classic "players vs. GM" mode of the original, there's other modes introduced such as co-op vs. AI and Warband Skirmish. I would heartily recommend trying it.

I'm a bit freaked out by chibi art. Some people are freaked out by clowns or dolls.

Chibis freak me out.

I suspect it's a combination of MOBA style gameplay not being as big an attraction as they hoped

Christmas

and the lack of an 'official' $1 pledge slot
(yes you can do it, but casual backers especially won't know that and may well decide the kids/partners Xmas present is more important)

it was also after the bases in October and Smog (really poor in terms of cash) in November which may have worn out some potential backers

Just rechecked the KS

has 2,600+ backers and and 328K+ of funding

That seems like it is doing MORE than fine considering it's Xmas season and not the most established IP

Not every KS is going to make 1 million+ like Z2, Z3, Kingdom death and any other tabletop game I missed.

Still don't understand how Mantic gets so much money.

 Piston Honda wrote:


Still don't understand how Mantic gets so much money.

Because lots of people enjoy their games and products?

Other than their zombies, their models look like total crap.

Especially their Basileans and what ever you call this abomination http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/undead/product/undead-werewolves-3-figures.html

Your opinion.

Plenty of people evidently think otherwise.

Personally I don't mind the Basileans but agree on the Werewolves. I generally like everything else they do and have nothing against restic.

But we're getting a little off topic here.

 Alex C wrote:
Your opinion.

Thank you for reminding me, I wasn't aware it was my opinion.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Your opinion.

Thank you for reminding me, I wasn't aware it was my opinion.

I just mean to say that a lot of other folk must disagree as they are a very successful company, in response to your query about how they make money...

Touching on a lot of comments here...

Mantics Scifi is far better look wise then its fantasy. night and day for me. I love Deadzone and the models for it are really great and the price is amazing. I will proably get into Warpath 2.0 depending on rules as I have so much stuff in deadzone I will just need vehicles. The terrain is also leaps and bounds past whatever GW puts out.

I personally love the Chibi. I did Krossmaster Arena, SDE, and now AQ. AQ is by far my favorite, and I had everything for SDE. SDEs problem was it took hours and hours to play. Some people like that, and some games I dont mind taking a few hours but it was consitently 2-3 hours a game and it was a huge uphill battle for the good guys. To much keeping track of badguy stuff I felt in SDE.

AQ is very different, but some parts are close to the same. As mentioned AQ is a very "hey you for 30 min? lets play" kind of game. Very fast, and you get to troll your friends but have to also fight the board to win.

BACK to rum and Bones though...I feel its a great idea, just the theme might have been misplaced. So far im all in on it as it looks enjoyable, and Lovecraft team might really spike the profits. They should some a hint to this though sooner rather then later to get people in. I just hope this wont take away from AQ expantions!

Christmas is definitely weighing it down some.

But also I think the contents of the $100 pledge are fairly lackluster. Take out the fake stretch goals, and things like dice and the cannons that should be in the box already. And what are you left with?

The Helrokkers - the consensus on which seems to be pretty negative. At least from what I've seen (and I certainly agree).

The Kraken - which everyone seemed to be pretty underwhelmed by also.

And then a half-dozen singles. None of which are bad - but none of which are really amazing either.

So the French are now a thing.

Meh.

Schmapdi wrote:
The Helrokkers - the consensus on which seems to be pretty negative. At least from what I've seen (and I certainly agree).

The Kraken - which everyone seemed to be pretty underwhelmed by also.

And then a half-dozen singles. None of which are bad - but none of which are really amazing either.

 Alex C wrote:
So the French are now a thing.

Meh.

Yeah, this has been my reaction to most of the reveals. The bones crew is so cool... it's surprising many of the others are so lackluster.

And the Cthulhu crew, which seemed like an obvious inclusion, seems not to be, which has got to just be leaving money on the table . I really wonder how they arrived at the crew themes... standard pirate, undead pirate (both cool)... but then not-KISS, and French... not a strong theme.

Can't say I'm blown away by the French crew either. At least it will hopefully draw enough funds to get through another stretch goal today (it was on track to be 2 days from now).

Really - I wish they'd just make resin singles available - I'd happily pick up a handful of single sculpts.

At least the Chinese pirates are pretty respectable looking.

Plus they have a panda, so they've got that going for them.

Hopefully we see a Lovecraftian crew before this wraps.

The French work though. Thematically they're perfect. I'll have to mull it over a bit whether I buy them though.

Definitely not my first choice for an expansion crew.

I decided to take a look at this since Tamburlaine will probably bug me about it again. As I figured, I'm really not very impressed with the designs. The Helrockers or whatever are kind of lame (though, I do like the name Thunder Lars for some reason. ), the French aren't nearly fabulous nor French enough, the skeletons are way too cartoony for my tastes, and rhe Chinese are juat kind of there. Overall, there's just a lot of bland designs here.

But, as Tamburlaine already knows, I really don't like pirates, so my distaste isn't any real surprise. I will say though, afull faction of pirare sloths might actually get me to consider backing it.

The French are a perfect Pirate Theme!

I rather like them, and the different play style they bring to the table.

This one's getting pricey quick, if you're a Completionist, of course!

I Agree. I quite like the french.

I have zero interest in a Lovecraft/Cthulu themed crew. But then again, I personally think Cthulu is stupid.

Finally, some of the figures from the Ron&Bones line that I wasn't able to pick up. Wish they had thrown in more of the old figs rather than giving us some stupid 80's hair band rejects.

This one is getting expensive for me with the two expansions thrown in.

Personally, La Brise Sanguine have quickly become tied for my favorite faction (along with the Bone Devils). I'm a little bummed to see there isn't more enthusiasm for them, but, oh well! Dante and Madeline have become two of my favorite character sculpts.

I'd like to see a pledge for base game and both expansions with a better discount, right now all the SG seem pretty false, value isn't there. I don't view KS from established companies as altruistic, I want a deal if I'm giving money months ahead with no firm release date or regular purchase protection.

Alpharius wrote:The French are a perfect Pirate Theme!

I'm fine with them as an idea - but in execution, design-wise they don't seem that different from the existing pirates. It is also a little weird that we have pirates, undead pirates - and then all the other factions are just different nationalities of pirates.

cincydooley wrote:I Agree. I quite like the french.

I have zero interest in a Lovecraft/Cthulu themed crew. But then again, I personally think Cthulu is stupid.

I'm not a Cthulu fan either. But it would be nice to see something a little more different from the existing pirates as a faction.

I agree with you about the French. There's nothing to really set them apart from the other human pirates. I would have preferred that they had gone really off the walls with the designs. How about a crew of animal people? How about a crew of clowns? How about a crew of a bunch of bears? That would've been better than a bunch of crews of samey, filthy looking dudes and one crew of dead guys. At least the dead guys are visually distinct from the other crews.