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I have lost hope longe time ago ..
worst case the will only make new modells of the old ones in finecast :(

If ...IF sisters only could get a update like Dark eldar ..
I whold buy 3000p army easy

I am with you I would start buying some sisters of battle asap if they had some plastic kits. I could see them being a super anti psyker army which right now seems to be much needed in this edition.

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
I have lost hope longe time ago ..
worst case the will only make new modells of the old ones in finecast :(

If ...IF sisters only could get a update like Dark eldar ..
I whold buy 3000p army easy

I think GW hasn't been releasing Finecast models lately, have they? I think it's been all plastics.

I have a few squads, not a big army, and an update like the Dark Eldar would get to buy a lot of stuff. Not one big instabuy because I can't afford it, but several small ones, no doubt.

Yep, finecast is on the way out. I think there was one model that was finecast that got released recently... in Wood Elves or something? I can't remember.

Anyway. I disagree that GW is MORE likely to drop an army. I think they're much less likely. GW is more global now than they've ever been, and the players are very readily connected through the internet. They'd get a ton of flak for dropping any army, be it Sisters or Bretonnians or what have you.

The flip side of that coin is that they'd generate IMMENSE goodwill from the playerbase for re-introducing an army that's not Space Marines (yes, there will be those that will complain it's MORE Imperium), especially an army that's just plainly different. An army without access to plasma, where most of their weapons are bolters, melta, and flamers, and their rules and stats just act differently than other armies.. that's a different playstyle, and it'll go a long way to creating more diversity in the gaming community. If nothing else, GW seems to be ALL about 'options' these days.

Now, there's a few ways that they could do the Sisters of Battle, and all of them would be better than the current digital codex, and all of them require releasing plastic kits.

The first is to combine Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle. Since Grey Knights have their own loyal following, and SoB have been relegated as 'Adeptas Sororitas' I really don't see this happening at all.

The second is to release a small, specialized codex akin to Militarum Tempestus. It'd be limited, based around a single box of Sisters of Battle troops that would have a few heavy weapons and head swaps to make everything from Retributors to Celestians to Dominion squads to regular battle squads, but it'd all be in one box. They could then release a Cannoness and call it a day. SoB players are happy, Imperium players are happy, everyone's happy. People will complain about them not getting a 'full proper codex' but at least we'll have plastic Sisters of Battle.

The final option is what we're hoping for, which is a full revamp like the Dark Eldar got. Tons of new kits to replace almost everything from the past. I imagine the Penitent Engine will be released bigger than ever, Sisters of Battle will be in a box that will make most options, a Seraphim box will be released as a dual kit that will make something else, and a plastic Cannoness will be released as well, with few other special characters, and maybe they'll get a flier as well.

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As a final point, the main problem with the boobcups isn't one of aesthetic, it's one of practicality. If you get hit in the chest by anything, all of the pressure from the breastplate will be focused on the sternum. The sternum will crack (it's really not that tough after all) and your lungs and heart will be punctured by your now-floating ribs. If the armor is more evenly distributed, it more evenly distributes the force of impacts across the whole ribcage, preventing shattering bone and other internal damage.

But, this is the far future, and maybe power-boob-armor has special redundancies built in.

 shabbadoo wrote:

Mavnas wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
Going to call it now. Plastic sisters will be everything the player base is asking for and more, lots of options, lots of bits, but will probably be the same price as scions. $35US for 5 models.

I would certainly welcome the 20%-50% cost reduction

Are you insane? Everyone knows that things with boobs cost more. Now, imagine an army that is 95% boobs! That $35 US for five Sisters is probably going to be spot on, and not for their specialty units but for just the basic Sisters. Yes, that second kidney is going to be looking rather expendable.

New plastic repentia $35 for 5 for maximum boob exposure.

Maximum squad size increased to 20 and they suddenly become abusive as hell with invisibility.

Awwwwyea it's a $140 unit most AS players don't have.

 Pacific wrote:
My impression is that the GW of 2014 is far more likely to retire a race/faction than the GW of the late 90's.

I dunno... My impression recenently has been that GW is doubling down on product production. We got the Imperial Knights out of nowhere, they've kept up the steady stream of releases, and even gave the Chaos Space Marines new models without a proper codex update. To me, it seems like they're more about expanding rather than cutting back.

drbored wrote:
The first is to combine Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle. Since Grey Knights have their own loyal following, and SoB have been relegated as 'Adeptas Sororitas' I really don't see this happening at all.

More than that, I don't really see those two fitting together at all. They're very distinct organisations within the fluff, and are pretty different in terms of playstyle. This would make as much sense as combining the IG and SM, really. Doubt that it's even on the table at GW.

drbored wrote:
As a final point, the main problem with the boobcups isn't one of aesthetic, it's one of practicality. If you get hit in the chest by anything, all of the pressure from the breastplate will be focused on the sternum. The sternum will crack (it's really not that tough after all) and your lungs and heart will be punctured by your now-floating ribs. If the armor is more evenly distributed, it more evenly distributes the force of impacts across the whole ribcage, preventing shattering bone and other internal damage.

That's a very valid criticism of boobplate armour, but this is 40K. It is a fictional setting, and it's all about big, over the top appearences. The Sisters are exemplars of this, also being the proud owners of a pipe organ tank and a flaming helmet. Their "boobpalte" armour plays to their gothic aesthetic. Though, again, I wouldn't mind it being swapped out for something that was equally fitting to that aesthetic.

I noticed a few things out of stock a few weeks back but figured they'd just depleted their metal stocks. Now I'm torn between the happiness plastics would bring and the fact that I've spent quite a bit of time creating resin multi-part power armoured nuns. I got sick of waiting for multipart sisters (after falling in love with the metals in the first WD I ever bought back in September 1998!).

They're literally in the casting workshop today. I may need a cup of tea and a sit down. Or a stiff drink.

As a final middle finger to the fanbase, the new mini's will be the last finecast models released.

If GW wanted to put Sisters in Finecast, they would've done it already.

I am a bit... apprehensive of what new sculpts would look like.

Place your bets on "body glove" with bits of armor tacked on and occasional metal bikini design?

Low cuts and any heels would be that extra special.

Extra bonus points if they outfit them with kilts...
(what am I saying? no giving them ideas)

 Talizvar wrote:
I am a bit... apprehensive of what new sculpts would look like.

Place your bets on "body glove" with bits of armor tacked on and occasional metal bikini design?

Low cuts and any heels would be that extra special.

Extra bonus points if they outfit them with kilts...
(what am I saying? no giving them ideas)

Nah. They've got more class than that. GW has released other female models, female Eldar and Dark Eldar, and plenty of females in the Fantasy range, and none of them are beyond what you would expect given the particular model's lore. The Dark Eldar and Dark Elf Wyches are pretty risque, but that fits their theme and style. Eldar, Wood Elf, and High Elf females are modest, though they are clearly female figures.

I wouldn't doubt that females in thicker armor intimidate the GW design team, since it's something they really haven't done a whole lot of. I bet it'll come out to a style that will satisfy everyone involved though, without being overtly sexualized.

SoB are in the 7th ed book, GW is more than happy to release mini-dexes, Imperial factions are Battle Brothers, and the allied mechanic allows including small factions into bigger armies. Additionally, psykers and daemons are more prominent in 7th, and Sisters act against those two mechanics.

I'd say there would be good basis for SoB to appear sooner or later, but of course, this is GW we're talking about..

 prowla wrote:
Additionally, psykers and daemons are more prominent in 7th, and Sisters act against those two mechanics.

Hum, no they do not. Grey Knight are good against daemons, and Sisters only resist very slightly better than the average person to psychic powers due to their high willpower. Culexus and blanks and Sisters of Silence and stuff are good against psykers.

Well, on my side, the only kits not available are the Dominion and Retributor squad. I just e-mailed GW about those kits, and they said this about the Dominion:

"Thank you for writing into us! The Dominion Squad collection is not available as a single click item, because the Battle Sister with Storm Bolter 1 is no longer available. All of the other items from the Dominion Squad are available and can be added individually to an order and they will be the same price as if you had added the Dominion Squad collection to your cart."

Similarly, the Retributor squad is no longer available because the Sisters of Battle Superior with Power Maul is no longer available. I will inquire about those two models, but otherwise I think it's literally just those two models that are no longer available.

That's not a lot. Not the kind of movement we would normally expect before a new release. It could just be an old mold finally crapped out and they couldn't justify replacing it, which makes sense if they're phasing out metal...

Ah well...

 notprop wrote:
Squats were, lets he honest and I say this as a fan of the RT Squat range, a creative deadend. Literally Dwarves in Space.

The only thing that made them differant was their warmachines in Epic and that's well covered these days with big kits for other factions.

SoB have their niche and aesthetic set out which is entirely their own so I'm not seeing the same lack of expansion room that Squats had.

My point was that it's not unheard of for things to disappear, which I thought was a poignant remark to make considering the number of people posting as though a stunning new range of plastics is almost a given.

I won't get into a discussion about which has the most aesthetic appeal and room to carve out a niche in the background, as it would be so one-sided

 Troike wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
My impression is that the GW of 2014 is far more likely to retire a race/faction than the GW of the late 90's.

I dunno... My impression recenently has been that GW is doubling down on product production. We got the Imperial Knights out of nowhere, they've kept up the steady stream of releases, and even gave the Chaos Space Marines new models without a proper codex update. To me, it seems like they're more about expanding rather than cutting back.

It depends how much effort is likely to go into a release - a plastic kit or two plus aforementioned half-arsed codex release, versus an entire new range to cover the numerous spots.

TBH I don't even know why I am commenting in this thread. Anyway, I had a chance to have a quick moan about the Squat disappearance which was perhaps why - I'll go now!

Sisters are always being rumoured to be at the end of the next set if codecies. Many of those in production are those released in 1998, they've had many opportunities to do something and chosen to do Space Marines again, GW just don't seem interested to me and optimism will end in disappointment.

they must just be sold out due to the overwhelmingly large # of SOB players.....




but seriously, I really REALLY hope this means a codex upda/tephysical codex and or some plastic models...


I would buy plastic sisters even if I didnt want to start the army, just because I love the models, but hate the price/metal.

I will believe in plastic sisters the moment they are in my hands. Not even a pre-order page will convince me at this point.

When I said it was nonsense, I did indeed mean from a practical standpoint. I think the boobplate should be swapped out for something that's still clearly female but not so ridiculously impractical (generally, a singular chestplate instead, I'd imagine). That said, IMHO it doesn't fit with their aesthetic either because it's too form-fitting (or implied to be, whether or not the sister inside the armour is more flatchested than the armour would indicate) compared to the rest of the armour, IMHO. It just looks OFF to me. IMHO it looks hideous in part because it DOESN"T fit in with the rest of the power armour, which while more form-fitting than Space Marine armour, is still pretty bulky (at least in the models. It varies in the artwork) and thus just looks WRONG with actual boobs on it in my opinion, of whicht he only reason I can think of it being there is an attempt to sexualize the sisters which just comes off as FAIL to me because of how much it falls into the uncanny valley.

The main question being whether or not it's too late for GW to do such a potentially drastic aesthetic change to them.

Not-Dark Eldar/Slaaneshi repentia, penitant engines, and mistresses with whips kinda fall into that same field but at least they're both grimdark and catholic dark ages, so that fits (a lot, even). The boob plate has no excuse.

I believe that the boob plate is quite an important aspect for them - so that it is clear that it is women under armor.

Remember that no "man" shall bear arms under the ecclesiarchy. And to be honest, its pretty gothic and grim.

teban wrote:
I believe that the boob plate is quite an important aspect for them - so that it is clear that it is women under armor.

Remember that no "man" shall bear arms under the ecclesiarchy. And to be honest, its pretty gothic and grim.

The fluff never actually stated or implied that, though. That's just something some fans came up with. If the fluff explicitly stated that, then I'd take it as a bit more established at least (but still IMHO nonsense), but... it doesn't. Possibly because it's just as easy (even easier in some cases) for a man to wear armour with a two-boob plate as it is for a female to wear it anyways.

Besides, I'm sure both the sisters and the inquisition would go ape-gak over the Ecclesiarchy trying to have an army of men by disguising them as sisters and only the most moronic ecclesiarch would try it (not that the sisters are directly connected to the Ecclesiarchy enough for an Ecclesiarch to pull it off, anyways, nor does the way sisters are raised and trained allow such a possibility)

There are other ways to make something feminine than a boob plate. A two-boob plate on a fighting force we're supposed to take seriously just shows an ugly lack of creativity.

Now this strikes me as odd.

I've heard zero chatter from sources saying AS have been squatted or that the range is being redone.

I'm completely drawing blanks as to why the range isn't available.

They're mentioned in the 7th edition codex and continue to pop up in many novels and fluff pieces, even ones where they aren't the stars. The idea of them being squatted is ludicrous, especially in a day and age when the Legion of the Damned, Knights, and even friggin' STORMTROOPERS get their own codex.

Can we leave the boob plate meanderings for another thread? Not that I think this one will last long anyways.

 pretre wrote:
Can we leave the boob plate meanderings for another thread? Not that I think this one will last long anyways.

Yep. We've picked apart the initial rumor (only one or two models are actually no longer available, not the litany originally stated), we've wishlisted, we've speculated, we talked about the printing issues and GW design team's promises, and now we're talking about boob plate.

The Adepta Sororitas thread cycle has reached the end of its life cycle, where we all go home and play with our main armies while wishing we had a fully plastic babe army to paint with some TLC.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
and Sisters only resist very slightly better than the average person to psychic powers due to their high willpower.

Sisters do hunt witches, though. I think that that aspect of them could be played up a tad to make them a viable anti-psyker force.

TiamatRoar wrote:
When I said it was nonsense, I did indeed mean from a practical standpoint. I think the boobplate should be swapped out for something that's still clearly female but not so ridiculously impractical (generally, a singular chestplate instead, I'd imagine). That said, IMHO it doesn't fit with their aesthetic either because it's too form-fitting (or implied to be, whether or not the sister inside the armour is more flatchested than the armour would indicate) compared to the rest of the armour, IMHO. It just looks OFF to me. IMHO it looks hideous in part because it DOESN"T fit in with the rest of the power armour, which while more form-fitting than Space Marine armour, is still pretty bulky (at least in the models. It varies in the artwork) and thus just looks WRONG with actual boobs on it in my opinion, of whicht he only reason I can think of it being there is an attempt to sexualize the sisters which just comes off as FAIL to me because of how much it falls into the uncanny valley.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on how well it fits their aesthetic, but I will add that I don't think that any replacement would still have to be all that female looking. IMO, the most important aspect of the Sisters is that they are zealous soldiers of the church, not their gender. A chestplate would work as well as a corset for keeping to this theme, in my view.

TiamatRoar wrote:
The main question being whether or not it's too late for GW to do such a potentially drastic aesthetic change to them.

Probably. GW seems to be fairly committed to it, with their newer artworks of the SoB keeping right to it.

Aside from that, I think that it's doubtful that GW even wants to change the look of the SoB all that much. While some fans do take issues with the boobplate, I haven't really seen any evidence that GW shares those critcisms. I'm going to go ahead and predict that any new SoB minis won't be radically different in terms of their aesthetics.

Puscifer wrote:
I'm completely drawing blanks as to why the range isn't available.

Moulds are wearing out, GW is moving away from metal.

TiamatRoar wrote:
They're mentioned in the 7th edition codex and continue to pop up in many novels and fluff pieces, even ones where they aren't the stars. The idea of them being squatted is ludicrous, especially in a day and age when the Legion of the Damned, Knights, and even friggin' STORMTROOPERS get their own codex.

The idea of the Sisters being squatted is actually kind of funny anyway. Half of the Major Orders are based on Terra. Can't really send a Hive Fleet there.

But yeah, as I've said, GW is all about expanding things right now. The Sisters may well be safer than ever, dwindling models aside.


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drbored wrote:
The Adepta Sororitas thread cycle has reached the end of its life cycle, where we all go home and play with our main armies while wishing we had a fully plastic babe army to paint with some TLC.

B-but... The Sisters are my main army!

 Troike wrote:
Sisters do hunt witches, though.

That was during 3rd edition. Now they are not that linked with the Ordo Hereticus anymore. They mostly protect priests and relics, fight heretics and especially those that are former member of the Ecclesiarchy. Those very rarely happen to be psykers.
No need to flanderize them into some anti-psyker strike force.

 Troike wrote:

drbored wrote:
The Adepta Sororitas thread cycle has reached the end of its life cycle, where we all go home and play with our main armies while wishing we had a fully plastic babe army to paint with some TLC.

B-but... The Sisters are my main army!

Sisters used to be my only army. Now, they are my only army for that game I hardly ever play . For some unknown reason though, I keep focusing on them for my internet ramblings.

I don't know why they are not pushing for the space nuns since it's would be very popular (I imagine.)

What is also weird is that there aren't any other companies trying to sell alternative models? I'm sure there is a market for it.

The only ones I could find were those TGG models, but those are so far away in the future that real Adepta Sororitas will come out sooner than those.

Boob plates do less than nothing because they redirect blunt force impact from the breast into the sternum and the heart. They are more of a hazard to the wearer than they are any protection.

As far as the looks my guess is they would look like the most recent artwork with plenty of head and helmet options. I would be surprised if a veil or habit wasn't one of the options.

Hmmm... Promising.

I'm confident we'll see an update for SoB at some point, along with a physical Codex and plenty of new models, as there's certainly enough interest for them. It's just a matter of when. Previously, I think they were right on the bottom of the priority list, but it looks like they may be getting somewhere.

Fingers crossed!