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I never understood 'open carry'. Isn't the 'power' of allowing average citizens to carry firearms is that they are concealed out of sight so while only one out of 100 may have a concealed weapon, it could be literally anyone... hence the deterrent.
If the people who have the weapons are wearing them out in the open... the gun has lost its power. Not only does it make them a target to be 'shot first' when they clearly won't be expecting it, but it doesn't deter the crime, simply makes it so the crime potentially happens when the person leaves. In fact... if you see who has a gun, you can attack them and get the gun from them when they are not expecting it.
In Arizona, I saw a 400lb fat woman with a holstered pistol. Anyone could have walked up to her, knocked her to the ground and taken her gun with literally no effort. She was not at all vigilant either. One hand on an ice cream cone and the other with a toddler on a leash. How was her strapping on a gun and wearing it as open carry doing anyone a damn bit of good?
Maybe if she had it concealed, a criminal would expect her not to have one and she could have stopped a crime and saved her family, but the way she was, she was a liability to herself and everyone around her.
I simply don't understand why people want 'open carry' unless they intend to use it to intimidate people and then I question their motives.
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The head of the lobbying side of the NRA, who uses their lobbying power as their main selling point, is backpedaling.
Not the one in Texas bucko
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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The NRA would have done better if they didn't say anything. Backing off their statement just makes them look stupid and people who are critical of the "Ima gonna bring my tacticool super rifle to McDs" idiots will now have less reason to care about a group that panders to them.
These guys are causing more harm than good with their drama-queen approach of open carrying. They have caused setbacks for the general 2A movement with their confrontational tactics. I mean, look at some of these idiots, they look like unwashed, unkempt anti-social misfits - people Id expect to see at a comicon rather than at a range:
These are people in desperate need of attention, using 2A as a vehicle to get some. No more, no less. This video about sums it up:
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nkelsch wrote: I never understood 'open carry'. Isn't the 'power' of allowing average citizens to carry firearms is that they are concealed out of sight so while only one out of 100 may have a concealed weapon, it could be literally anyone... hence the deterrent.
If the people who have the weapons are wearing them out in the open... the gun has lost its power. Not only does it make them a target to be 'shot first' when they clearly won't be expecting it, but it doesn't deter the crime, simply makes it so the crime potentially happens when the person leaves. In fact... if you see who has a gun, you can attack them and get the gun from them when they are not expecting it.
In Arizona, I saw a 400lb fat woman with a holstered pistol. Anyone could have walked up to her, knocked her to the ground and taken her gun with literally no effort. She was not at all vigilant either. One hand on an ice cream cone and the other with a toddler on a leash. How was her strapping on a gun and wearing it as open carry doing anyone a damn bit of good?
Maybe if she had it concealed, a criminal would expect her not to have one and she could have stopped a crime and saved her family, but the way she was, she was a liability to herself and everyone around her.
I simply don't understand why people want 'open carry' unless they intend to use it to intimidate people and then I question their motives.
It is true. It is a better deterrent when the gun is concealed. And frankly I think concealed carry should be an easy to obtain license anyone without a felony can get for free.
Open carry also doesn't have to mean its obvious. openly flaunting a weapon is bad news, but than again I think you should have a right to do it. As much as you have a right to wear hideous outfits, pierce your body with outlandish amounts of metal, and generally act like an ass. It should be allowed, but that doesn't mean its a good idea.
It also shouldn't count as being concealed if the weapon is not on your person. So if a woman had a gun in her purse she wouldn't need a CCL to have it there. She would only need it if it was in a holster on her body.
People want open carry because its a statement that they are demanding their 2nd amendment rights not be infringed. Its no different to other civil rights demonstrations of the past, such as sit-ins. You do something you wouldn't normally do so you can get the right to do what you want to do(I doubt many of the participants of the sit-ins would actually want to order food at whatever restaurant they were sitting in on at the time. It was a stand on principle)
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Meme: either "Pinky and the Stupid" or "the Man from Golden Corral " Why am I afraid fatty's going to blow his own balls off before the weekend is out? Is it me or is that tacticool rifle that shaved Gimli is holding bigger than he is?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Meme: either "Pinky and the Stupid" or "the Man from Golden Corral " Why am I afraid fatty's going to blow his own balls off before the weekend is out? Is it me or is that tacticool rifle that shaved Gimli is holding bigger than he is?
I think it might be. And If he blew them off, that might be the first time he saw them in years Also, Tacticool, I have seen that thrown around, what does it mean?
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Tacticool is where you take something and throw crap on it to make it more cool. Its for people who go around calling themselves "operator" Theze are the guys who dress out in genuine Chinese BDUs, and buy AKs and pout lights, sights, laser sights, can openers, and aything else they can find on them.
Tacticool is also in parallel with "shopping mall ninja"
Here's a good google search. I'd attach but I can't photobucket at work
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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Its really no different from getting some bling on your car.
Except most the stuff actually does something.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Open carry also doesn't have to mean its obvious. openly flaunting a weapon is bad news, but than again I think you should have a right to do it. As much as you have a right to wear hideous outfits, pierce your body with outlandish amounts of metal, and generally act like an ass.
I think there is, in fact, a difference between openly carrying an item that can escalate a conflict to lethal levels in a matter of seconds and having bad taste.
It also shouldn't count as being concealed if the weapon is not on your person. So if a woman had a gun in her purse she wouldn't need a CCL to have it there. She would only need it if it was in a holster on her body.
I don't understand the distinction. Is this because it would take longer to dig into your purse for your firearm than to draw from a holster on your body?
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Guys can old carry and look threatening because it's the law.
Somebody else can shoot them because they looked threatening because it's the law.
Rinse, repeat, problem solved.
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Open carry also doesn't have to mean its obvious. openly flaunting a weapon is bad news, but than again I think you should have a right to do it. As much as you have a right to wear hideous outfits, pierce your body with outlandish amounts of metal, and generally act like an ass.
I think there is, in fact, a difference between openly carrying an item that can escalate a conflict to lethal levels in a matter of seconds and having bad taste.
Maybe, but we have yet to see any evidence that open carry causes conflicts to escalate. There have been no "wild west" style shoot outs in grocery stores or parking lots because someone was carrying.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
About that yeah... It's more a thing where they (or at least, many of them) think that "Ohh, Special Forces guys use this, it's gonna make me shoot so much more better!!"
I mean, if some magazine publishes that a member of SEAL Team 6 uses pink fluffy bunny ear muffs for his hearing protection, then suddenly "pink fluffy bunny ear muffs" are gonna see a spike in sales, because the "tacticool" idiots think they need it.
Frazzled wrote: Tacticool is where you take something and throw crap on it to make it more cool. Its for people who go around calling themselves "operator"
Theze are the guys who dress out in genuine Chinese BDUs, and buy AKs and pout lights, sights, laser sights, can openers, and aything else they can find on them.
Tacticool is also in parallel with "shopping mall ninja"
Here's a good google search. I'd attach but I can't photobucket at work
Frazzled wrote: Tacticool is where you take something and throw crap on it to make it more cool. Its for people who go around calling themselves "operator" Theze are the guys who dress out in genuine Chinese BDUs, and buy AKs and pout lights, sights, laser sights, can openers, and aything else they can find on them.
Tacticool is also in parallel with "shopping mall ninja"
Here's a good google search. I'd attach but I can't photobucket at work
Grey Templar wrote: It is true. It is a better deterrent when the gun is concealed. And frankly I think concealed carry should be an easy to obtain license anyone without a felony can get for free.
I agree, generally. I have no issue with being required to show some basic education and competency for ccw which quite a few states do not require, but some others take this way too far and have too lengthy of waits, imo.
I'm not super familiar with the P90. How does the second magazine work on this? Does it feed into the first, making it a kind of halfass drum mag, or does it allow quick changes, like those utterly ridiculous star shaped NY AR mags?
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Frazzled wrote: Meme: either "Pinky and the Stupid" or "the Man from Golden Corral "
Why am I afraid fatty's going to blow his own balls off before the weekend is out?
Is it me or is that tacticool rifle that shaved Gimli is holding bigger than he is?
Emperor on Terra what did that monster do to that SKS?
I also can't stand M4-esque stocks in general, but they *really* do not look good on Russian rifles.
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I might have heard the most sensible description of guns by the media on NPR today when they were talking about thee guys. They used the term "semi-automatic civilian versions of military style assault weapons". It almost made me shed a tear.
5 minutes later they talked about the court house shooter and his assault weapons and ruined it...
Ouze wrote: I'm not super familiar with the P90. How does the second magazine work on this? Does it feed into the first, making it a kind of halfass drum mag, or does it allow quick changes, like those utterly ridiculous star shaped NY AR mags?
The second mag allows for a faster reload. When the first magazine is empty you remove the magazine and flip it over to the fresh magazine. The magazines do not feed into one another, in fact the leading round in the second magazine can be seen just behind the Eotech sight
Ahtman wrote: All I really know about the p90 is that they were really popular in Goldeneye multiplayer.
I first seen it in Counter Strike (when it was bundled with Half Life, and on disc). I've been fascinated with it since then because of it's design and the fact that it was so different to many other firearms.
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