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Okay, cool thanks for the clarification.


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I hate to bug, but you expand on what you mean by one or the other with regards to number 3?

Question out of curiousity , are imperial knights in? And if they are does a player still has to take a CAD and not field a just knight army?

 jy2 wrote:
Oh you want some? Come git some. 1850 BAO missions and rules. My crons vs your Tau. Sunday at 3.



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Btw, I never said that I will be running crons at the BAO.... But I haven't ruled it out.

Great game with Jim, glad we played and would love to play again, I hope you guys can stay tuned for a batrep, it was a great game!

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Question out of curiousity , are imperial knights in? And if they are does a player still has to take a CAD and not field a just knight army?

Knights have their own Codex so you could bring 5 Knights if you wanted to as long as one is an HQ/Warlord. You could also take 1-2 as an ally.


Jason

Are the rumors of the grand prize being a date with frankie true?
Also, Will we need the escalation book for using the warlord traits?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Are the rumors of the grand prize being a date with frankie true?
Also, Will we need the escalation book for using the warlord traits?

I assume your opponent will have to have the Escalation book if he wants to use a Lord of War, and that you'd use the table out of that.

Hey @Reecius, is it possible to just come to the BAO as a spectator? I'm happy to support you guys by buying a DropZone ticket or something, but I would be primarily interested in watching the 40k championship rounds.. (never been to a GT and would want to witness one before participating)..

You can totally come and just check stuff out! No worries at all.

@Hot Sauce

Frankie is a free spirit baby, can't commit to a date =P

@Thread

3/4 sold out on the 40K champs! Don't wait!

Any word on when the FAQ will be updated?

Y'know the weird thing? Im excited for all the 20% off deals I get there. I love going to these things just to shop

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Question out of curiousity , are imperial knights in? And if they are does a player still has to take a CAD and not field a just knight army?

Knights have their own Codex so you could bring 5 Knights if you wanted to as long as one is an HQ/Warlord. You could also take 1-2 as an ally.


Jason

That's not how IK works anymore. Gotta look at the new FAQs on the. Knights detachment is now 1-3 regardless if it is primary or not. No more 1-5 for primary IK detachment.

So IKs are forced to ally in something to make up for the points missing?

GW thats a good way to make a brand new IK player buy another army.

 Julnlecs wrote:
So IKs are forced to ally in something to make up for the points missing?

GW thats a good way to make a brand new IK player buy another army.

It's actually only a problem because people want to restrict the number of detachments people can bring to a GT event. For example, if the BAO allowed dual CADs, you could bring one CAD of 3 knights and a second CAD of 2 knights and be fine.

Blame the player, not the game.

 Loch wrote:

 Julnlecs wrote:
So IKs are forced to ally in something to make up for the points missing?

GW thats a good way to make a brand new IK player buy another army.

It's actually only a problem because people want to restrict the number of detachments people can bring to a GT event. For example, if the BAO allowed dual CADs, you could bring one CAD of 3 knights and a second CAD of 2 knights and be fine.

Blame the player, not the game.

That wouldn't be fine. My question implies that.

Knights don't come in CAD, they come in Knight Detachments. Hence my question would a knight army still need 1 CAD to be BAO legal or would there be a solution counting Knight detachments as CAD. This question can be extended to include Inquisition primary armies as well or any non conventional army building method which we got in the last quarter of 6th edition.

@Reece:

Do you expect that tables' gaming space will pretty much butt up right against one another, or will there be a luxurious 2' space between them for setting down minis and the like? I'm planning out a display/carrying board and wondering if it's going to have a place to sit during games as opposed to just between them.

Thanks!

@Loch

We are allowing self-allies so yeah, you actually can take an all Knight army.

@Pizza

Yes, you can take a Knight Detachment as your CAD or your ally, or both.

@8ball

Tables will be 4x6' and run in most likely 4 table rows. It is highly inefficient to run 4x8' tables. Where you could have 4 tables in a row, with 8' you only get 3. It means we would have to charge 33% more per ticket to yield the same revenue per square foot. And then, everyone would complain about the ticket price =)

There will be space under the tables for your display board, but, if you are bringing a giant display board, assume it will be in the way 99% of the time. That is why I always bring very small display boards (if at all) to events as they are 9/10 in the way and 1/10 cool. That is just me though, I prefer fcuntion over form for that type of thing.

Thank you for the answer reecius

Is there a list of what Forge World units are allowed?

col_impact wrote:
Is there a list of what Forge World units are allowed?

There are no FW allowed.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:

col_impact wrote:
Is there a list of what Forge World units are allowed?

There are no FW allowed.

These are allowed: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/imperial-armor-unit-index/

 tomjoad wrote:

 Commander_Farsight wrote:

col_impact wrote:
Is there a list of what Forge World units are allowed?

There are no FW allowed.

These are allowed: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/imperial-armor-unit-index/

That's not updated for the BAO 2014. It specifically says that since its the first 7th GT for Frontline and their callaborators, there will be no FW models allowed.

I'm not sure where you read that. There will be no Forge World army lists allowed, but FW models will be there, and if I'm wrong, Reece should get the word out before half the field shows up with illegal army lists.


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From the 2014 BAO information page:

In the case of a Forge World unit having a profile in a Forge World book and Codex or Codex Supplement, the rules in the Codex or Codex Supplement are always used. - See more at: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/bay-area-open-2014/bao-tournament-format/#sthash.y42wVrnL.dpuf

What to Bring
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All pertinent rules for your army. Codecis, White Dwarf Articles, Foregworld Rules, etc.

If FW isn't allowed, Frontline did a poor job of writing this, and Reece's many many statements about how FW WILL be allowed would be pretty misleading.

Thre may have been an update that I haven't seen, but I'll check it out and let you know

From the first time they announced the BAO 2014 they said 40K approved Forgeworld units were allowed. The exception is full Forgeworld army lists.

Forgeworld units are allowed. Only Forgeworld lists aren't (i.e. army lists that are not from the regular codices but made entirely from a FW book).

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Thank you for the answer reecius

You're welcome

@Thread

And yes, thanks fellas. 40K approved, good to go, FW lists not OK as they haven't been updated yet. Complete rules here: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/bay-area-open-2014/bao-tournament-format/

Will there be a new BAO FAQ comming out soon? There are a few rules that I think need to be clarified. Some examples would be:

Wargear affecting Chariots
The use of the term "Psyker Unit"
Rerolling Warlord traits for Battle Forged armies.
Nihtfighting roll becoming optional
Mixed units running and turbo boosting

We have been slammed with work and rebooting the FAW for a new edition takes about 12 hours of phone call time between multiple TOs. It's no easy task and we have not had time to do it.

As for your specific questions:

No 3++ on Necron Chariots.
What about the term psyker unit needs clarification, specifically?
What about rerolling warlord is unclear?
Night-fighting is in our missions, not optional.
Are you asking if mixed units can run/turbo boost?

A lot of the rules questions have intuitive answers but nothing clearly written out in the rules. For example, I would imagine a unit of guardians with a Farseer on bike can have te guardians make their run move and the jetbike model turbo boost and as long as everything ends in coherency.

Anyway, I am still hoping my finances pan out to be able to make this event, it's scary watching the tickets slowly being sold out!

Thanks Reece for keeping this thread tirelessly updated.

Bought my ticket, now to decide what army to bring!