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Daemonhammer wrote:
Anyway I doubt they were extremists since nobody got killed or worse.
It was an atte

Killing is not a prerequisite for being an extremist. There are a lot of very extreme, illegal things one can do without resorting to killing.

Funding being one

 kronk wrote:

cammy wrote:
While the changes haven't been overt there things such as not allowing the girls swimming lessons.

That is the real travesty.

Co-ed intramural water polo was some of my fondest memories.

College...

Gym was separated (and still is for my kids). Da wimmimz would have been exterminated during football. "Yea you're cute n all, but this is football. You're gonna die."

Colege: thats different.
My, I remember aerobics class
I only vaguely remember fencing. I viewed it as a policy statement to never attend a session sober.

Religion has no place in education.

Teach children about religion within the context of its influence on the world, but prayer, worship, bible stories, nativity etc etc should not be permitted IMHO.

Doesn't this all come back to the Blair government allowing the establishment of "Faith Schools"?
Always seemed like a bad idea to me. Same with the Academies and their lack of oversight.

There were Church of England schools before "faith" schools.

What Blair did was to extend the principle of state funding for religiously founded schools to other faiths which now include Roman Catholic, Jewish, Sikh, and Hindu as well as Muslim.

This was presented as supporting the principle of multiculturalism but in reality it is a classic British fudge to get around the problem of why you want and need to continue to support the official state religion (C of E) when there are nearly as many adherents of RC and Muslim in the country who are also citizens, pay taxes and so on.

Remember at the time there were (and still are) C of E bishops sitting in the House of Lords who would not have been motivated to vote with the government if they were losing their schools.

The other complication is that faith schools tend to get better results than bog standard comprehensives (there are various reasons for this) so they are popular with parents.

 Frazzled wrote:
Wow is this for real?

Yes, my best friends family has kids at one of those Birmingham schools. A family of armed service personnel, and the heavy discrimination was evident.

From evidence of the family non-Moslems got little classroom attention, bullying was rife and a blind eye was turned if the victim was non-Moslem, in fact in several cases the victim was disciplined for 'provocation' or 'racism' whichever stuck. Islamic parents were encouraged to lobby against non-Islamic teachers on the slightest excuse, which they did en masse, resulting in fear of disciplinary action by non-Moslem teachers which silenced them .

One story relayed to me was of a class 'talk about your father' day. As this kids father was in the RAF he was told not to make any presentation, lest he 'cause offense'. The next time this type of homework came up the same kid was refused to give his presentation because it was a 'dishonourable occupation'. Meanwhile the kids whose dad was in prison or unemployed got to make their presentation.

All this info is at least three years old, this problem has been going on for a long while.

Frazzled no understand. This is a public school? Frazzled likes the French model of extreme separation of church and state, despite being an angry Christian (oxymoron-hey never said I'd actually make it to Heaven, but I am sure TBone will be fine there without me). Family is more important then heavan.

 Frazzled wrote:
Frazzled no understand. This is a public school?

Maybe that is why this is so scary.

In the UK ,public schools are what every one else refers to as private schools. You know it makes sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom)

What do you call what we call Public Schools?

I'll leave that answer to someone who comes from the country whos' football team is about to go as dismally this world cup as they do every world cup (usually after much hype).

My team in the world cup? ...... I'll shut up now.

 Grey Templar wrote:
What do you call what we call Public Schools?

State funded schools, or more commonly, school.

Indeed, Public Schools are private schools. Schools for non-rich people are known as State or Comprehensive Schools.

It makes sense when you realise public schools have been around for centuries. Back then they were the only schools open to the fee paying public, the alternatives was a church education or no education at all.

Public schools are a small subset of private schools, referring to the very oldest and prestigious dating from that time, and some more modern (Victorian) schools that offer similar quality.

Any fee paying school is a private school. Public schools are places like Harrow, Eton and Rugby.

This whole thing sounds pretty frightening to me. And where are the Social Justice Warriors when it comes to Islam's mistreatment and 2nd Class Citizen approach to women?

 welshhoppo wrote:
Indeed, Public Schools are private schools. Schools for non-rich people are known as State or Comprehensive Schools.

OK I think.

Here a private school is, you know private. They can be religious based or not and only have to accept who they want to accept. You also don't have to go there. In fact you have to pay to go there.


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 Orlanth wrote:
It makes sense when you realise public schools have been around for centuries. Back then they were the only schools open to the fee paying public, the alternatives was a church education or no education at all.

Public schools are a small subset of private schools, referring to the very oldest and prestigious dating from that time, and some more modern (Victorian) schools that offer similar quality.

Any fee paying school is a private school. Public schools are places like Harrow, Eton and Rugby.

here a public school is open to everyone and is paid for via taxes. It run by the local school board and the Department of Edumacasion. Thanks Obama!

I think Kilkrazy gave a pretty good rundown of the key elements.

I'd disagree with the statement at the end when talking about Muslim schools as I'm pretty sure that there have been quite a few in special measures over the last few years. Typically Catholic schools seem to achieve the best results when compared to other faith schools.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This whole thing sounds pretty frightening to me. And where are the Social Justice Warriors when it comes to Islam's mistreatment and 2nd Class Citizen approach to women?

It's always tricky to oppose a group of extremists who have no problem with violence

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think Kilkrazy gave a pretty good rundown of the key elements.

I'd disagree with the statement at the end when talking about Muslim schools as I'm pretty sure that there have been quite a few in special measures over the last few years. Typically Catholic schools seem to achieve the best results when compared to other faith schools.

I believe on average, though, they still achieve better results than other schools (I could be wrong, though). I do agree with you on the last point, Catholic schools do quite well compared to the rest.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This whole thing sounds pretty frightening to me. And where are the Social Justice Warriors when it comes to Islam's mistreatment and 2nd Class Citizen approach to women?

It's always tricky to oppose a group of extremists who have no problem with violence

Something about appeasement.

I mean, we've heard about this kind of stuff for a while, but it's been Daily Mail usually screaming about it. Scary to hear real people talking about it actually happening.

As a general rule of thumb, British people do not like upsetting other people.


We are trying to make up for all those years of the Empire.

Daemonhammer wrote:

 Palindrome wrote:

Daemonhammer wrote:
Muslims are taking over schools, "teaching" their fething ideology to children yet people still refuse to aknowledge what a treat islam is to Europe.

So you are saying that Islam is good for Europe?

English is not my first language, its not even my second. So dont be a and dont correct peoples grammar on the internet.

You wrote treat instead of threat. He wasn't making fun of you for making a typo, your typo just happened to make the other half of your sentence ambiguous

 welshhoppo wrote:
As a general rule of thumb, British people do not like upsetting other people.


We are trying to make up for all those years of the Empire.

Which makes no sense. You didn't do all those horrible things. Your parents didn't even do all those horrible things.

That doesn't stop us trying to be sorry for it.

I had a German teacher in school who used to apologise now and then for all the horrible things the Nazis did.

I'd just give a weird look back that says "please, nobody likes a groveler"

 Grey Templar wrote:
I'd just give a weird look back that says *"please, nobody likes a groveler"

*Except for everyone in power.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think Kilkrazy gave a pretty good rundown of the key elements.

I'd disagree with the statement at the end when talking about Muslim schools as I'm pretty sure that there have been quite a few in special measures over the last few years. Typically Catholic schools seem to achieve the best results when compared to other faith schools.

You may well be right. There is a general public perception though that faith schools do better than secular schools. I suspect the RC schools may be the best.

The actual "public schools" are defined by the Public Schools Act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Schools_Act_1868