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Allod wrote: I think what you identify as "death squads" doesn't exist in this form and the reason they're wearing combat gear is that these executions are staged and meant to look orderly and professional.
That is quite a large possibility.
Kain wrote: Hope feeds Tzeentch, who will do horrible things to your planet to reward you for your service. Ergo, Hope is evil, and you should stop having it, but you can't have despair because then Nurgle gets a free ride. You could be angry about this, but that'd just get Khorne's jollies off. And heck you can't even get your own jollies off without Slaanesh giggling and farting out some daemons. And if you manage to avoid all that, some genestealers might infiltrate your planet and bring a hive fleet crashing down on you any way.
Screenshot official ISIS account that claims they executed 1700 Shiite soldiers. They surrendered in #Tikrit ystrdy pic.twitter.com/7QyMnEuAAo
— Jenan Moussa (@jenanmoussa) June 13, 2014
Well I guess the next lot of shiite soldiers won't be surrendering then.
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If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Note to self: spell Shi'ites with an apostrophe to avoid this situation..:
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Mosul Seized: Jihadis Loot $429m from City's Central Bank to Make Isis World's Richest Terror Force
Jack Moore
By Jack Moore
June 11, 2014 11:12 BST
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Civilian children stand next to a burnt vehicle during clashes between Iraqi security forces and al Qaeda-linked Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) in the northern Iraq city of Mosul.Reuters
The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (Isis) has become the richest terror group ever after looting 500 billion Iraqi dinars - the equivalent of $429m (£256m) - from Mosul's central bank, according to the regional governor.
Nineveh governor Atheel al-Nujaifi confirmed Kurdish televison reports that Isis militants had stolen millions from numerous banks across Mosul. A large quantity of gold bullion is also believed to have been stolen.
Following the siege of the country's second city, the bounty collected by the group has left it richer than al-Qaeda itself and as wealthy as small nations such as Tonga, Kiribati, the Marshall Islands and the Falkland Islands.
The financial assets that Isis now possess are likely to worsen the Iraqi governement's struggle to defeat the insurgency, which is aimed at creating an Islamic state across the Syrian-Iraqi border.
The Islamist militants took control of Mosul after hundreds of its fighters overwhelmed government military forces in a lightning attack on Monday, forcing up to 500,000 people to flee the city and Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to call a national state of emergency.
The militants freed up to 1,000 inmates from Mosul's central prison, according to senior police officials. They are also in control of Mosul airport and local television stations.
They also seized considerable amounts of US-supplied military hardware. Photos have already emerged of Isis parading captured Humvees in neighbouring Syria where they are also waging war against President Bashar al-Assad's regime.
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US-supplied humvees captured by Islamic insurgents in the battle for MosulTwitter / @jenanmoussa
In a televised news conference, Maliki said "Iraq is undergoing a difficult stage" and urged the public and government to unite "to confront this vicious attack, which will spare no Iraqi."
The US State Department has released a statement saying that it is "deeply concerned" by the Islamist militants' siege of Mosul.
"The situation remains extremely serious. Senior U.S. officials in both Washington and Baghdad are tracking events closely in coordination with the Government of Iraq," the statement read.
"The United States stands with the Iraqi people," it continued.
Mosul
Mosul lies in northern Iraq near the Syrian border.Google Maps
Isis captured the city Falluja, 40 miles west of Baghdad, in January and currently controls large swathes of northern Iraq.
The Iraqi government has launched a number of failed assaults on the city leaving hopes of retaking Mosul slim.
An Iraqi army officer told the Independent: "We can't beat them."
"They're trained in street fighting and we're not. We need a whole army to drive them out of Mosul. They're like ghosts; they appear to hit and disappear within seconds."
That's a lot of $$$.
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
I'm currently watching a propaganda video made by the Isis people.
Frankly that anyone would cheer for this depresses me greatly. It's just them doing drive by shootings of random people in HD. It's disgusting.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
It will be interesting if an independent Kurdistan is finally set up as a direct result of this. Possibly even a good thing. Maliki was a total arse towards them.
. Glad it was some guy with the handle "Jihadis" who looted the money.
Jihaden and me need to go do some some major yard work
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Well after the first part, it turns out they were identifying "soldiers" of the Iraqi regime, former and current, and doing drive by's of them.
The video gets more delightful from there.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
That's from the video I'm watching. The full thing is over an hour long.
They're targeting Iraqi military, current and former.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
Wait till one gets the idea to fire a freaking RPG on a drive by.
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The attackers on the target. Since I believe quite a few Iraqi's weapons has a laser attach to them it also oblique (think that's the word I am looking for. Mot can confirm ) the vehicle windows. Though you have ones that step out of no where to shoot an RPG at you but forget how close to the wall they are. Or the occasional one walking out in the open looking for something American to shoot an RPG at. Majority of time is they forget to pull the pin. Or fire the RPG thinking their buddy pulled the pin of the round while their buddy finger still in the ring.
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Yeah guys, lets have a good laugh about those people blowing themselves into pieces!
I'm just wondering about the number of people commenting here to the effect of 'their fething problem' understand the principles of cause and effect?
That this set of circumstances - of civil infrastructure destroyed, of displaced people, of an economy in ruin and the loss of a stable platform of state control, leading everyone to be at each other's throats - is somehow the fault of the Iraqi people and those left 'in charge' of the wreckage?
I read that the US State Department had commissioned a set of 'Post-invasion scenarios' reports, which included recommended plans of actions as a result of government think-tanks concerning the handling of the government, the army, the economy and numerous other things. It consisted of thousands of pages and had cost millions of dollars to compile. Apparently, when a certain Mr. Rumsfeld was presented with the paper, he picked it up and dropped it straight into the waste paper bin.
That's exactly what the administration at that time cared about what happened to Iraq or the Iraqi people. Once the initial military, industrial and geo-political objectives had been accomplished, Iraq could go to hell for all they cared. And, that's exactly what has happened to it.
The horrendous thing about it is that it will be the common citizens of the west, not them, that will get killed in retaliation now that we are essentially creating a whole new generation (as the Russians did in Afghanistan) of people who actively hate the West.
The whole thing is just so fething disgraceful and sad, and yet people still actively support it as though their own well-being/moral imperatives and best interests, are somehow on the same page as the politicians and power-brokers who lead them into the war. They are quite patently not.
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I'm just wondering about the number of people commenting here to the effect of 'their fething problem' understand the principles of cause and effect?
That this set of circumstances - of civil infrastructure destroyed, of displaced people, of an economy in ruin and the loss of a stable platform of state control, leading everyone to be at each other's throats - is somehow the fault of the Iraqi people and those left 'in charge' of the wreckage?
Causation is mostly guesswork and pre-confirmed bias when applied to a socio-political context.
One could argue that the US is responsible for it, but one could also argue that it was Saddam Hussein's fault for having ruled Iraq in the first place, as the US wouldn't have invaded otherwise. Alternatively, we could say that the current scenario was directly caused by Al-Maliki's crass handling of the army and filling it with yes men, otherwise it wouldn't be running away and ISIS would have been thrown back by now. Or it could be the fault of Mohammed himself, because if he didn't exist, neither would Islam, and thus, ISIS?
Trying to say, 'It's all the US's fault that this is happening!' is patently ludicrous. Sure, they had one role/factor to play in the chain of events, but there are plenty of others, from Al-Maliki, to the cultural and social context in which Iraq, and the Greater Middle-East exist.
I'm just wondering about the number of people commenting here to the effect of 'their fething problem' understand the principles of cause and effect?
That this set of circumstances - of civil infrastructure destroyed, of displaced people, of an economy in ruin and the loss of a stable platform of state control, leading everyone to be at each other's throats - is somehow the fault of the Iraqi people and those left 'in charge' of the wreckage?
Causation is mostly guesswork and pre-confirmed bias when applied to a socio-political context.
One could argue that the US is responsible for it, but one could also argue that it was Saddam Hussein's fault for having ruled Iraq in the first place, as the US wouldn't have invaded otherwise.
Strange how that wasn't a problem when he was fighting Iran.
Iraqs oil wasn't a consideration, was it ?
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
The biggest issue, is now that they have so much money. I would say recovering as much of that as we can, should be our number one priority in this situation.
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Having so much money isn't very handy if you have nowhere to spend it. It should be recalled at this point in time, that ISIS has absolutely no friends.
The Iranians despise them (as they're Sunnis), the Syrians are at war with them, the West regards them as terrorists, the Russians support the Syrians, the Israelis see them as a threat, and the Chinese have no plan to rock the boat with so many others against this group. The Turks are generally too secular to fund islamic nutters(and see them as a threat), the Saudia Arabians, Qatarians and smaller nations have no stake in promoting them, and the Egyptians are busy suppressing radical Islam at home with no interest in supporting it abroad. The Libyans have their hands full trying to keep their country together, and ISIS has publically declared it's intent to kill the King of Jordan and invade Lebanon which rules them out.
The only people in the world ISIS can count on as potential allies are Hamas of the West Bank, and possibly a thin grouping of other terrorist organisations. That's it. So having a large pile of cash is somewhat useless in terms of not being able to actually spend it.
Iran is ready to assist the Iraqi government in its battle against extremist Sunni insurgents, President Hassan Rouhani has said.
But he denied Iran had sent troops into Iraq to help bolster Iraqi government forces' defences.
The insurgents - from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) - have seized the cities of Mosul and Tikrit and are moving closer to Baghdad.
They regard Iraq's Shia majority as "infidels".
Iran has close ties with the Shia-dominated Iraqi leadership which came to power after the toppling of President Saddam Hussein, whose powerbase was the country's Sunni minority.
ISIS is a hardline Islamist militant group that grew during the US-led occupation and is one of several jihadist militias fighting the rule of Bashar al-Assad in neighbouring Syria.
"If the Iraqi government asks us for help, we may provide any assistance the Iraqi nation would like us to provide in the fight against terrorism," said President Rouhani at a news conference to mark the first anniversary of his victory in Shia Iran's presidential election.
"However, the engagement of Iranian forces has not been discussed. Providing help and being engaged in operations are different."
Answering a question from the BBC, he said that so far the Iraqi government had not requested help from Iran.
President Rouhani did not rule out co-operating with Iran's traditional foe the United States in combating ISIS: "We can think about if we see America starts confronting the terrorist groups in Iraq or elsewhere."
According to unnamed sources quoted by both the the Wall Street Journal and CNN, Iran has already sent several elite units of its Revolutionary Guard to help Iraq, but Iranian officials have denied this.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
WarOne wrote: Do experts have an idea of how many people are actually combat effective within the ISIS organization? Thousands?
The last quote I saw was about 5,000 effectives. Which, to be frank, is pitiful.
The only reason that ISIS even has a chance of maintaining ground in Iraq, is because Al-Maliki's been discriminating against the Sunni minority ever since he came into power, and in short, being doing exactly the same bleeding thing good ol' Hussein did the other way, bar the genocide. So the Sunni and Kurdish factions will be using this opportunity to escape from under the Shia thumb.
The thing is, they didn't want a unity government any of them, to begin with. Whilst the Americans were there, they were at least guaranteed equal treatment, which whilst not ideal, was tolerable. Once the Americans cleared out and Al-Maliki started oppressing the Kurds and Sunni's though, any hope of a true fair unity government and democracy vanished.
Right here and now, I'd wager that if Isis has any sense, they'll take over paying all Government employees in all conquered territories using their newly captured war chest, let commerce and travel resume freely within them, and recruit the Sunni militias to bulk up their forces. If they stop their military push at the edge of Shia majority areas, Al-Maliki will have a hard time rousing his forces to take back what will have in effect become hostile territory. Shia milias will probably fight furiously to defend their own homes, but they won't advance to war in Sunni majority areas.
If you look at where ISIS ran into determined opposition (against the Kurds), they pulled back. They haven't the forces to engage in sustained conflict. So what they'll do (if they have a brain) is consolidate over as much Sunni territory as they can, bolster their forces, and build their own strength until they are a de facto government in effect. The Kurds, not being politically tied to Maliki or 'Iraq', will most likely do the same thing. The result being an Islamic Caliphate ruled by ISIS embroiled in conflict in Syria, an independent Kurdistan with economic links to Turkey, and a much reduced Shia dominated Iraq.
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WarOne wrote: Do experts have an idea of how many people are actually combat effective within the ISIS organization? Thousands?
The last quote I saw was about 5,000 effectives. Which, to be frank, is pitiful.
The only reason that ISIS even has a chance of maintaining ground in Iraq, is because Al-Maliki's been discriminating against the Sunni minority ever since he came into power, and in short, being doing exactly the same bleeding thing good ol' Hussein did the other way, bar the genocide. So the Sunni and Kurdish factions will be using this opportunity to escape from under the Shia thumb.
The thing is, they didn't want a unity government any of them, to begin with. Whilst the Americans were there, they were at least guaranteed equal treatment, which whilst not ideal, was tolerable. Once the Americans cleared out and Al-Maliki started oppressing the Kurds and Sunni's though, any hope of a true fair unity government and democracy vanished.
Right here and now, I'd wager that if Isis has any sense, they'll take over paying all Government employees in all conquered territories using their newly captured war chest, let commerce and travel resume freely within them, and recruit the Sunni militias to bulk up their forces. If they stop their military push at the edge of Shia majority areas, Al-Maliki will have a hard time rousing his forces to take back what will have in effect become hostile territory. Shia milias will probably fight furiously to defend their own homes, but they won't advance to war in Sunni majority areas.
If you look at where ISIS ran into determined opposition (against the Kurds), they pulled back. They haven't the forces to engage in sustained conflict. So what they'll do (if they have a brain) is consolidate over as much Sunni territory as they can, bolster their forces, and build their own strength until they are a de facto government in effect. The Kurds, not being politically tied to Maliki or 'Iraq', will most likely do the same thing. The result being an Islamic Caliphate ruled by ISIS embroiled in conflict in Syria, an independent Kurdistan with economic links to Turkey, and a much reduced Shia dominated Iraq.
Between this and the conflict in Ukraine, cartographers should have some pretty good job security.
See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
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I should really paint some of my models instead of browsing forums.
I'm just wondering about the number of people commenting here to the effect of 'their fething problem' understand the principles of cause and effect?
That this set of circumstances - of civil infrastructure destroyed, of displaced people, of an economy in ruin and the loss of a stable platform of state control, leading everyone to be at each other's throats - is somehow the fault of the Iraqi people and those left 'in charge' of the wreckage?
Causation is mostly guesswork and pre-confirmed bias when applied to a socio-political context.
One could argue that the US is responsible for it, but one could also argue that it was Saddam Hussein's fault for having ruled Iraq in the first place, as the US wouldn't have invaded otherwise. Alternatively, we could say that the current scenario was directly caused by Al-Maliki's crass handling of the army and filling it with yes men, otherwise it wouldn't be running away and ISIS would have been thrown back by now. Or it could be the fault of Mohammed himself, because if he didn't exist, neither would Islam, and thus, ISIS?
Trying to say, 'It's all the US's fault that this is happening!' is patently ludicrous. Sure, they had one role/factor to play in the chain of events, but there are plenty of others, from Al-Maliki, to the cultural and social context in which Iraq, and the Greater Middle-East exist.
I think the important factor to think on is would the area be so destabalised that small organised groups could gain significant power before the US invasion?I doubt it. Only one action destabalised the area so much and created a power vacuum, the invasion by the US. Without the power vacuum, ISIL (yes that's its fething name) that was created then it would have been virtually impossible for ISIL to gain traction. What's the lesson for everybody? feth with some countries internal politics and more than likely you will not get the result you want.
Hopefully this is learned before my country gets dragged into ANOTHER pointless war.
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Ketara wrote: Having so much money isn't very handy if you have nowhere to spend it. It should be recalled at this point in time, that ISIS has absolutely no friends.
The Iranians despise them (as they're Sunnis), the Syrians are at war with them, the West regards them as terrorists, the Russians support the Syrians, the Israelis see them as a threat, and the Chinese have no plan to rock the boat with so many others against this group. The Turks are generally too secular to fund islamic nutters(and see them as a threat), the Saudia Arabians, Qatarians and smaller nations have no stake in promoting them, and the Egyptians are busy suppressing radical Islam at home with no interest in supporting it abroad. The Libyans have their hands full trying to keep their country together, and ISIS has publically declared it's intent to kill the King of Jordan and invade Lebanon which rules them out.
The only people in the world ISIS can count on as potential allies are Hamas of the West Bank, and possibly a thin grouping of other terrorist organisations. That's it. So having a large pile of cash is somewhat useless in terms of not being able to actually spend it.
But, money talks man... 'specially that amount of jack.
. Glad it was some guy with the handle "Jihadis" who looted the money.
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