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I know the more obvious places to buy bulk models, Craigslist and Ebay, have browsed through a lot of forums too and when compaing the two, the people on the forums seem to have a large issue when pricing the models which makes things very difficult for me as a player wanting to buy models. So I am looking for places where people will actually trade for the value of the models as used, without what they think it should cost painted.

Explanation if anyone wants to read. (Warning, the following includes material that may be offensive to players who have been in this game for any decent length of time)

Generally, in any hobby you do, you are lucky, and I mean extremely lucky to even get %50 of what you originally paid for and thus asking for more than that becomes a question of why.

Now me as a buyer and a newer player, I prefer to buy unpainted as it makes my life much easier and much cheaper for me to get an army going.

Buying painted models, while sellers think this allows them to charge more for them due to their amount of hard work involved, while appreciated and understood, to me, it is more of a burden and in a sense cancels out the work they put in to paint with the work I will need to do to repaint them.

I use Simple Green to strip my models and it takes anywhere from 3 days to 2 weeks to strip a model completely, more if they have used varnish on them. Simple Green is not cheap, at least not where I live. A big enough bottle to wash even a 1500 point army is around $12 bucks, not to mention an hour drive as only one place near me sells the stuff. Then you add the amount of time it takes for me to strip the models, let them dry, then re-assemble them, re-primer them and finally repaint them and I end up paying almost full retail on the used armies that I purchased.

Time wise, any bulk army I buy pre-painted won't see a table for nearly a month. In that amount of time I could simply buy them new, assemble in a few days paint in a week and see table in 2 weeks max. But the money then goes to the greedy shops which I refuse to assist.

This system simply does not work at all to be honest.

Selling anything used, =/= selling at retail, painted or unpainted.

/End rant.

Back on point. Anyone know of a place that sells in bulk online but doesn't charge up the wazoo for work I am simply going to destroy once I get them?

You've hit the nail on the head. In general, the more of an effort the seller has put into painting a model, the less likely that the buyer will actually want (to pay for) that effort.

My advice is to trawl (not troll!) around the sites you listed, and wait out a good deal. Some people will not understand the reality of the situation, but they eventually they come around. To get the best deals you need to jump on the bargains as soon as they do!

Just remember: For every teenage kid that wont discount because they thought their army was an investment, there is an older version that is tired of junk cluttering their shelves/closets.

also, you didnt mention Dakka's swapshop, which is a pretty good source for barter.

I'm not sure why you would expect 50% off retail price just by virtue of being assembled and painted. Some of the stuff you're complaining about is very well painted and put together by people with several years of experience. If you want half off 40k you're going to end up with AoBR Terminators glued together by 6 year olds, and OOP Rhinos with missing parts.

I've traded plenty of 40k stuf and bought plenty too, though not always on dakka. 50% is something I do for a friend. I could have sold my Chosen for ebay prices and been justified in that, but I charged him $10, because I know he'll paint them up awesome and enjoy them. That's what friends do. Random people on the internet? No, I'm sorry.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that sometimes used prices can be shifty, but the golden rule still applies and that is Buyer Beware. Don't buy those minis if you think they aren't in good condition. I myself recognize that I'm not an incredible painter yet, and so when I approach any trade I accept that I'm not trading based on my skill but on the condition of the model itself. Is it in good shape? Can it be repainted or does it need stripped? I send a picture and make sure the other guy knows what he is getting. Not everyone is like this though and so you have to be careful.

Now if you are serious about getting 40k toys and saving money, especially in the states, there are plenty of options for buying NOS items at around 20% off. I won't plug them here but a bit of detective work will yield results.

Bottom line though is this. You shouldn't expect people to sell their things to you for "the buddy price", and complaining about it only makes potential traders shy away from you. Warhammer ain't cheap man, no one else is saving any more money than you or the next guy.

50% is the best you would get at any hobby store trading post or anything of the sort, simply because it is painted does not increase the value to the buyer.

The seller may think this makes the item worth more, but this is not the case.

It is a buyers market, not a selling one.

I also checked through the swap and some people are very decent on pricing, but none are the armies I am looking for. Those that I am interested in are asking for near full retail for painted models which is outrageous.

I have been looking into NoS, it is very appealing.

Yeah of course the hobby shop will only give you half of retail. He's going to turn around and sell those models again for profit! He needs to make his margin.

My point is that yes, paint does matter. But only if you're looking for that, you'd never catch me charging above retail for a painted mini! Lol

The teenaged kid, yeah okay in that example, he needs to realize, like most of us should, that we are not professional level painters, and thus can't expect people to pay for that. But just don't go questioning peoples motives for not offering you deep discounts. A well assemble model, that has been painted properly, ie not globbed so thick you can't see details, should probably be around 20% off. Realize that this is situational however and is subject to shipping. You do want your new minis to arrive protected and if they don't you want to be able to get reimbursed, and that isn't free either. So yeah, sometimes it can seem like you're paying near full retail, but consider this. If you bought from a store you either had to drive there, pay for shipping, or buy enough to qualify for free shipping. Thus, retail prices are actually higher than the sticker price, although you don't realize this until you have to pay the UPS guy, or fill the tank on the car again.

Don't be discouraged though. Eventually GW has to relent with the crazy prices. You just have to stop ordering through their website and one day they'll realize that no matter how many times they try, no five miniatures will ever be worth $64...

Don't use simple green. Use Purple Power. I got mine at my local NAPA Auto store.

24 hours in that and the paint will rub right off. You only need the toothbrush for the nooks and crannies

I've stripped over 100 models with it. And can still use the same vat of it instead of throwing it away. I've even done Belial in Finecast with no damage to the model. Great stuff

 Overlord Thraka wrote:
Don't use simple green. Use Purple Power. I got mine at my local NAPA Auto store.

24 hours in that and the paint will rub right off. You only need the toothbrush for the nooks and crannies

I've stripped over 100 models with it. And can still use the same vat of it instead of throwing it away. I've even done Belial in Finecast with no damage to the model. Great stuff

Seriously? How much?

 Lobomalo wrote:
50% is the best you would get at any hobby store trading post or anything of the sort, simply because it is painted does not increase the value to the buyer.

The seller may think this makes the item worth more, but this is not the case.

It is a buyers market, not a selling one.

I also checked through the swap and some people are very decent on pricing, but none are the armies I am looking for. Those that I am interested in are asking for near full retail for painted models which is outrageous.

I have been looking into NoS, it is very appealing.

mate 50% at the hobby store... and what models do they get for that? stuff thats been dumped in paint, broken, reglued so often its busted, ooolld models in pieces, how many hobby stores do you get that would have top quality models for sale at 50% off retail? the answer is none, they buy cheap to make a buck on the re-sell.

now IF someone were to ask about buying my CSM army, they would not be getting it any cheaper than $1 a point for the army. if not $1.5, reasons being cost of everything included... and it is rather well painted. ill attach pics of what i consider, well painted.for me its the kind of paint job you are NOT going to re do.



so sure if its painted by a 5 yr old with their fingers i dont think that adds to the value and can be a hinderance, but if your buying something painted more than well enough to brilliantly, you PAY for that, you dont get it for free, let alone a discount.

now as to where to buy at a discount, depending on how much your buying there is places in the states that will do i believe 30% off retail for a BULK order, or 20-25% on smaller orders. thats NIB outside of that.. ha ha yeaaah your looking at bad examples that will take you that month to get on the table top.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 Lobomalo wrote:
50% is the best you would get at any hobby store trading post or anything of the sort, simply because it is painted does not increase the value to the buyer.

The seller may think this makes the item worth more, but this is not the case.

It is a buyers market, not a selling one.

I also checked through the swap and some people are very decent on pricing, but none are the armies I am looking for. Those that I am interested in are asking for near full retail for painted models which is outrageous.

I have been looking into NoS, it is very appealing.

mate 50% at the hobby store... and what models do they get for that? stuff thats been dumped in paint, broken, reglued so often its busted, ooolld models in pieces, how many hobby stores do you get that would have top quality models for sale at 50% off retail? the answer is none, they buy cheap to make a buck on the re-sell.

now IF someone were to ask about buying my CSM army, they would not be getting it any cheaper than $1 a point for the army. if not $1.5, reasons being cost of everything included... and it is rather well painted. ill attach pics of what i consider, well painted.for me its the kind of paint job you are NOT going to re do.

Spoiler:

so sure if its painted by a 5 yr old with their fingers i dont think that adds to the value and can be a hinderance, but if your buying something painted more than well enough to brilliantly, you PAY for that, you dont get it for free, let alone a discount.

now as to where to buy at a discount, depending on how much your buying there is places in the states that will do i believe 30% off retail for a BULK order, or 20-25% on smaller orders. thats NIB outside of that.. ha ha yeaaah your looking at bad examples that will take you that month to get on the table top.

Those I'd pay full retail, they look awesome.

But people put yellow primer and a few decals and want full price. See the difference

 Lobomalo wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 Lobomalo wrote:
50% is the best you would get at any hobby store trading post or anything of the sort, simply because it is painted does not increase the value to the buyer.

The seller may think this makes the item worth more, but this is not the case.

It is a buyers market, not a selling one.

I also checked through the swap and some people are very decent on pricing, but none are the armies I am looking for. Those that I am interested in are asking for near full retail for painted models which is outrageous.

I have been looking into NoS, it is very appealing.

mate 50% at the hobby store... and what models do they get for that? stuff thats been dumped in paint, broken, reglued so often its busted, ooolld models in pieces, how many hobby stores do you get that would have top quality models for sale at 50% off retail? the answer is none, they buy cheap to make a buck on the re-sell.

now IF someone were to ask about buying my CSM army, they would not be getting it any cheaper than $1 a point for the army. if not $1.5, reasons being cost of everything included... and it is rather well painted. ill attach pics of what i consider, well painted.for me its the kind of paint job you are NOT going to re do.

Spoiler:

so sure if its painted by a 5 yr old with their fingers i dont think that adds to the value and can be a hinderance, but if your buying something painted more than well enough to brilliantly, you PAY for that, you dont get it for free, let alone a discount.

now as to where to buy at a discount, depending on how much your buying there is places in the states that will do i believe 30% off retail for a BULK order, or 20-25% on smaller orders. thats NIB outside of that.. ha ha yeaaah your looking at bad examples that will take you that month to get on the table top.

Those I'd pay full retail, they look awesome.

But people put yellow primer and a few decals and want full price. See the difference

oh yeah look as i said the fingerpaint type efforts are a nightmare and on those kinds of things i agree. and to give you an idea, that fulgrim took 30 hours by a golden daemon winner to paint. its the sexiest model i use to proxy lol.

Stuff like that, I'd pay premium.

But I don't care how nice you make a Tactical Marine or a Terminator look, I'm just going to strip it and repaint it anyway lol

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
but if your buying something painted more than well enough to brilliantly, you PAY for that, you dont get it for free, let alone a discount.

Actually, that depends on the buyer. I wouldn't pay above retail price for any of those models because they'd all be going in the paint stripper as soon as I got them. They're nice models, but they're not my paint scheme so if I got them I'd strip them and repaint them. Now, someone with models of that quality isn't going to be very interested in selling at the price I'm willing to pay, but that doesn't mean that their desired price represents some kind of inherent worth in their painting work.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
but if your buying something painted more than well enough to brilliantly, you PAY for that, you dont get it for free, let alone a discount.

Actually, that depends on the buyer. I wouldn't pay above retail price for any of those models because they'd all be going in the paint stripper as soon as I got them. They're nice models, but they're not my paint scheme so if I got them I'd strip them and repaint them. Now, someone with models of that quality isn't going to be very interested in selling at the price I'm willing to pay, but that doesn't mean that their desired price represents some kind of inherent worth in their painting work.

i agree the desired price doesnt MAKE them worth more, but there is also a thing where the seller if they want a price wont sell for less than. and if you were buying those models to strip the paint off just buy new and make it yourself because that level of work is worth the extra, nothing is free, and clearly wouldnt be getting sold to a little timmy who just wants more marines. some sellers price higher than retail because collecters will want that item, its not there for a "must sell NOW fast sale need cash" kind of thing, so they leave them higher priced and just wait.

now i know there is a LGS in my area that would by any model for like 30% retail then sell them for 95% or more, regardless of the work put into them. so if you ahve basic marines that are rubbish they will pay 30% of the model cost, same applies to that fulgrim, but when they re sell its at whatever they can push for them usually just under retail price, or up to well over it, and that system is for suckers. there is a point that you dont expect to make profit on a model, but you sure as hell dont expect a 70% loss just so someone else can profit.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
that level of work is worth the extra

There you go again, talking about inherent worth. You think that level of work is worth the extra. I think that extra work just means I have to do more work stripping the models before I can use them, and I probably wouldn't even offer full retail price for any of them.

there is a point that you dont expect to make profit on a model, but you sure as hell dont expect a 70% loss just so someone else can profit.

First of all, talking about a 70% loss assumes that the model is in fact worth 100% of retail price (or more). If the model is only worth 10% of retail price then selling for 30% is a 200% gain, not a 70% loss. Once you start talking about painted models instead of NIB the value of them becomes completely subjective.

Second, you're underestimating the value of money now vs. possible money in the future. If you have an offer for 30% of retail value in cash right now then it can be a perfectly sensible decision to just take the money instead of hoping that if you're patient enough might eventually get 40-50%. The only thing about this I don't understand is how the store manages to sell badly-painted models for near retail price.

I have to agree with peregrin; Even with all that great paint job, if you were to sell the lot at once in bulk, i would expect a discount.
This is because:
1. Id be buying a bunch of models that i dont want. Which equates to taking on the effort and responsibility of finding a new buyer that could help me recoup the losses of that portion of the lot.
2. that isnt the paint scheme i want. Even if i were to start a 1ksons army, the likelihood of us both using the EXACT same color palate is very rare. Which means i would have to overpaint the colors that dont match, or (dun dun dun) strip the whole model down! If i have to strip the whole model down, that makes it LESS VALUABLE to me, because i now have to do a lot of work to get it back to an original condition, where i could jsut get some NOS or whatever and save myself all that work.
3. the modeling isnt exactly what i want. Granted you think the spikes on the front of the thunderhawk make it look chaos-y, and i can see how it looks alright with the group. But i personally think its slowed looking, like a goatee that would prevent the front ramp from ever fully opening. In order to get that to my preferences id have to knife away the doodads i dont like, which would chip the paint or worse! That's jsut an example, but there is a lot of customization especially with weapons that the seller might think is the bees knees, but the buyer jsut doesnt care for.

Think about muscle cars: some people really like convertibles cause they are awesome for cruising with the top down, other people hate them because they add a ton of extra weight which slows the car's performance. Same thing with standard transmissions, or a myriad of other options: it only increases the vaule if it was something the buyer wanted. If the buyer doesnt desire that option, then it becomes as much of a hindrance as it would have been a benefit.

so yeah: if you are selling "pro-painted gold demon winning fulgrim" you might make a profit. If you are selling "lot of chaos marines, including various superheavies, and a pro-painted golden demon winning fulgrim" id expect a discount.

I use Bartertown a lot. Large lots, small lots, bits, someone there usually has whatever I'm looking for. Check it out, www.bartertown.com

I do have to agree on the subjective merits of a model that has been painted.
I cringe when I read "Pro-painted", very rarely they are.
If an average joe gamer painted the models, the added value is zero really; we all want to paint our own stuff because it is then our army and does not look funny.

The ONLY time I sold models for more than they were new was a fully assembled magnetized and white primed Tau Force (and pinned where applicable).
I showed multiple photos and with the "optional pieces" also primed and had fender washers epoxied into the bases.
THAT is value added for those who want an instant army that they get to paint (and some look at assembly work as... work so look at the build as value added).

I found searches on ebay or Kijiji (never tried Craigs list) while misspelling every way I could think of has got me deals where people are selling stuff they know nothing about (the evil ex-spouse (her) selling his armies for instance...). Put out a notice in your gaming group of what army you want to collect and does anyone have "extra" for sale.

Best I can think of; another rather grim way is my buddies and I find out when a store is closing and descend on it like vultures, cheap freaks we are...

I think there are a few kinds of second hand sales.

Some have awesome paintwork like the pics above. The artwork there really does add value to the piece. They will never be a place to pick up bargain models for your army but that's OK. Whoever buys it thinks the price is worth it for a centrepiece of that quality. I wouldn't want them. Someone elses paintwork just isn't worth that much to me (unless I know them) and I would feel bad stripping it.

Then are the tabletop armies that are painted well enough to look fine from across the table. I guess this is the category Lobomalo is talking about. My army is in that category and the time and effort make those minis special to me. I hope they are good enough that they are pleasant to game against but other than that, to other people, they are just a bunch of average paintjobs. Maybe worth a glance from the other side of the table but nothing more. These are often listed as pro painted on eBay and priced as if they were. Lobomalo is right. The paint lowers the value from the buyer's perspective despite the investment of time from the seller.

Then there is the broken, incomplete, swamped with glue or thick paint models. Some sellers know it's rubbish and price accordingly. Others slap OOP, Pro Painted, Rare all over it and try to bump up the price.

Maybe if the model was overseas , masterclass painted and I somehow wanted to put it down as my own in a painting competition with good prizes . Then I can imagine it costing more then 50% store price , and I would have to be darn sure I win something.

I can pay 70% to the store I play in , second hand starting price is always 50% or less. If it is models no one wants or which are bad the price goes down even more. No one is going to pay 50% for a pyrovore , even if it is golden demon level converted and painted.

Lol... seriously?

If you're buying bulk models you're NOT getting a Golden Demon Winning Fulgrim!

This is like saying that the Mono Lisa is only worth money because it is subjectively good. Only people who like Davinci want to pay money for that. No. Sorry, the Mona Lisa is worth money because it's a fabulous painting, not because the canvas is worth $40!

If you cam up to me (or anyone else!) and said "I like your Fulgrim, but I don't want to pay your asking price because I want to paint it myself" I would say something like "Go suck a lemon you cheapskate"

The OP wants bulk models at discount prices. Okay fine. Go find them. Don't go looking for deeper discounts because you have to strip paint. Here is a news flash, everyone has to strip paint! If you want to complain about the price of GW miniatures go send an email to GW! I mean seriously it feels like you're whole argument is based around something with which your real issue has nothing to do with. You want bulk models? Then why are you hounding people with pro-painted armies? They have no obligation to meet your standard of quality, and most likely they don't care if you think they charge too much!

And this 50% off? Man, you guys all have to realize that 50% off is what a RETAILER will pay you for your models, regardless of condition, because they are going to make profits off those toys. If someone came up to me and offered me half price for even the worst amoung my toys I would laugh in their face.

Let me tell you a little secret. Lowballing kills the market. Trust me I know, I myself am a "merchant" of sorts and when someone rolls into town offering their products at a huge discount it pisses me off, because soon people come to me expecting me to price match. How can I when my overhead hasn't changed? No, I have to trade based on the quality of my goods, but when people can buy inferior goods for much less it hurts my bottom line. Now, the same applies to the used 40k market. If somehow a person could offer 40k at 50% off, how soon do you think it would be before people bought exclusively from the 50% off store, or demanded the same rates from other merchants? Soon, your $50 box of Marines is only worth $25 as soon as you buy it because now, everyone is hooked on 50% off. Just try selling your Warhammer toys on ebay after that!

Dude, no offence, but no one will ever buy that Fulgrim.

Its not a matter of the buyer being cheap, its a matter of the seller not understanding the value. Just google "online warhammer 40k discounts" you will find a TON of sites offering NIB items for 20% off retail. On top of that you pay no taxes, so in america that is roughly 30% off a store bought item. For something brand new. Where you get all the doodads that come with it. Where you can shape and paint it to fit with your vision. so even if the paint job adds 30% value, you are still back at even retail.

Take the car example: you buy a car from the dealer, you drive it around the block. It has now lost about 10% of its value, regardless if you drove it to the detailer and had them do some custom pinstriping, and no matter how nice the pinstriping is. its the same thing. You say that a person cant just set the price for an item, and yet you are doing the exact same thing.

also, as an aside: when you say you are 'a "merchant" of sorts', it makes you look like a stupid drug dealer that doesnt know how to use quotations. (not that there is anything wrong with dealing drugs, but i would hope that you would look at your example honestly and see that jsut because you set one market value for something, doesnt mean that everyone agrees. and jsut because it costs you a certain price doesnt mean that other sellers cant do it better and cheaper. If you are selling to a rapper (other person with more money than brains) that only wants the best he might pay more, but if you are selling to some teenager that jsut wants to get stoned, he doesnt care to pay a premium for the same high)

I would appreciate a link to whoever sells Forge World at a 30% discount.

I'm sorry, but this post is pretty ridiculous. You expect a 50% discount on 'used minis', even though (generally speaking) there is no real 'wear and tear' associated with general/reasonable use of the minis (meaning that a miniature assembled 1 week ago is no different from one assembled 10 years ago), and beyond that, there is no source for NIB minis at anything better than 20-25% RRP (and 25% is very rare).

In other words, you're asking sellers to take 50% off of retail so you can get your minis cheap, even though there is no alternative by which you can acquire those same minis at anything at all comparable. If someone offers you minis at 30-40% off retail, which is the standard, then buy them, or quit bitching about it. It might not be 50%, but the person selling to you is still taking a loss, and the work involved with prepping second-hand miniatures is neither that expensive nor time consuming.

I think that perhaps the rapper would buy Fulgrim, not that buying pro painted models is dumb, but because the rapper is too busy getting high to bother painting it himself. Not that rapper are dumb, or drug users Sorry rappers..

I'll use "quotations" wherever I want thanks.

And yeah I look at the situation objectively. I pay a certain price to bring my goods in and I am bound by that prices, it dictates what I can sell my items for. If someone can beat that price then fine, but what they don't realize is that yeah, sure in the short term I lose and they win, but long term they can't sustain their operation because now they've lowered the value of the market. No one is going to keep going to that merchant when his prices go up.

This is the crux of the matter though. No one looking for cheap models is going to look at commissioned work. Commission Painters are not going to sell below what they think their skills are worth. How the two even became entwined in the same topic I will never know.





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chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm sorry, but this post is pretty ridiculous. You expect a 50% discount on 'used minis', even though (generally speaking) there is no real 'wear and tear' associated with general/reasonable use of the minis (meaning that a miniature assembled 1 week ago is no different from one assembled 10 years ago), and beyond that, there is no source for NIB minis at anything better than 20-25% RRP (and 25% is very rare).

In other words, you're asking sellers to take 50% off of retail so you can get your minis cheap, even though there is no alternative by which you can acquire those same minis at anything at all comparable. If someone offers you minis at 30-40% off retail, which is the standard, then buy them, or quit bitching about it. It might not be 50%, but the person selling to you is still taking a loss, and the work involved with prepping second-hand miniatures is neither that expensive nor time consuming.

this guy gets it!

You have recast which cost less then 50% and you have store discounts which are anything from 30 to 50% off. And sure anyone who plays at a store or a club would rather make the owner happy then pay 10-20% less and make some random person happy that they sold their models.

If someone is selling models then he shouldn't have bought them at full price , nor should he have picked an army which he may want to sell in the future.

In the US recasts are relatively rare (unless you're me and know where to look), but store discounts here are 10-20% off, occasionally you will see a clearance sale go for 25-35% but I can count the number of times I've seen that myself over the past ten years on one hand with 3 of the fingers missing.

 Lobomalo wrote:


It is a buyers market, not a selling one.

No. It's just a market.

If someone feels their army is worth x dollars then that is what they will ask.

Just because you do not feel that is what it is worth, is your valuation of what is being offered.

By your criteria, an assembled army or an assembled army that has been primed is worth more than retail, because it cuts out several steps that you need to take to get it on the table.

How in the name of God are you assembling and painting a 1,500pt army in two weeks?

I guess my rebuttal would be: If it is established that a factory-new product can be purchased for roughly a 30% discount
(many options here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/363810.page ),
That becomes the 'upper limit' of price. Why would anyone pay >= that for a 2nd hand hodgepodge creation that will have to be stripped down and remade from scratch? Any work that the seller has put into the product has to be UNdone and REdone, so for every 'work' he has invested into the model, the buyer has double the 'work' in order to get what he wants out of the product.

That is why the buyer expects a discount greater than the 30% he can get for a brand new product. Also Including the hassle of having to buy his army piecemeal, the uncertaintly of a private seller, the extra sprue bits that he is missing out on, the cost of paint remover, etc.

If you dont believe me browse swapshop and look at hte deals: this guy is selling at 25% off the NOS forgeworld, and 20% off the painted forgeworld, and he still cant move it. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/563674.page
(ok, that was a little below the belt, but meant in jest)

There is no such thing as bad publicity

Also: I have little problem completing deals where both sides are happy with the outcome