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How fethed would things be?

Imagine Xenomorphs made from Space Marines? Everything the standard Warrior (human host as seen in Alien, Aliens, Alien Vs Predator and Aliens Vs Predator Requiem), is, plus, additional Space Marine characteristics like fast-regeneration, Acid Spit, super senses, super strength, hardened carapace...

Imagine ones made from Orks? Absolute brutes with the ability to reproduce through spores?

Eldar, with high imtelligence, speed, and possibly psychihc/telepathic abilities?

Tau...should be ok...

What about Nids? Would we all be fethed?

40k Genestealers pretty much equal Aliens - that's where they came from.

They do pretty much the same thing as they also infect hosts and have "children" that benefit from the hosts abilities whist retaining the Genestealer attributes to produce Hybrids.

Nastier was Stormwatch/Aliens comics where Aliens infected Superpowered people so you can have firebreathing, flying, regenerating, super strong etc Aliens

Yeah, gene stealers essentially are xenomorphs with stupider looking faces (though hormagaunts are the real aliens equivalent in game).

A space marine alien wouldn't happen. For one thing, I don't care how strong face gutters are, if ripley+1 can pull one of her face a space marine can pull it off.
Not to mention the space marine could probably spit acid into it, have a taste of your own medicine!
Also, a single punch from an armoured space marine would probably make a xenoporph POP.

xenomorphs would be like a hormagaunt. One on one, a space marine will spank it.

Genestealers are the Warhammered version of xenomorphs. They are better than marines in combat and will often win the one on one.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
A space marine alien wouldn't happen. For one thing, I don't care how strong face gutters are, if ripley+1 can pull one of her face a space marine can pull it off.
Not to mention the space marine could probably spit acid into it, have a taste of your own medicine!
Also, a single punch from an armoured space marine would probably make a xenoporph POP.

Yes and no - a marine might slip into sus-an if lost most of his limbs say - that's when you implant them

They could match them in h-h but the acid would still eat through armour and flesh ......

but in the end as we all have said the Genestealers are the Aliens of 40k

Things would get even grimmer,

Though intresting to see them fight tyranoids, xeno vs xeno though aliens may not do so well,,,.

Xenomorphs would be curb stomped by just about any race in 40k

SM- would find facehuggers little more than a nuisance
Eldar- so fast they'd be able to catch the face huggers before they even got on them
IG- Commisars would execute and burn infected guardsman immeidetly
Chaos- Would prolly eat/molest/infect the face hugger back
Tau- Maybe but I figure they'd invent something to prevent huggers from getting on them pretty quick
Orks- Krump em or gleefully get infected for a better fight
Nids- lol like a housecat fighting a lion xenomorphs would be biosoup

I'd be more interested in the Predators versus various factions in 40k

Xenomorphs do most of their implanting after capturing prospective hosts.

Genestealers are thematically similar, but not the same. The key point the OP was making is their unique ability to take on aspects of their hosts, something that Genestealers do not do (and the Genestealer reproduction fluff seems to have been retconned).

Xenomorphs would be a nightmare threat worthy of Exterminatus on any populated world they are encountered upon. Even Space Marines could not deal with the billions of xenomorphs that would result from the infestation of a Hive City, especially if you consider them on par with Genestealers - the physical prowess of even the humble human-form Xenomorph is nothing to be taken lightly.

However, they wouldn't be a real threat. While they are extremely lethal and numerous, they don't have any spacefaring capabilities whatsoever.

 Deadshot wrote:
How fethed would things be?

Imagine Xenomorphs made from Space Marines? Everything the standard Warrior (human host as seen in Alien, Aliens, Alien Vs Predator and Aliens Vs Predator Requiem), is, plus, additional Space Marine characteristics like fast-regeneration, Acid Spit, super senses, super strength, hardened carapace...

Imagine ones made from Orks? Absolute brutes with the ability to reproduce through spores?

Eldar, with high imtelligence, speed, and possibly psychihc/telepathic abilities?

Tau...should be ok...

What about Nids? Would we all be fethed?

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Nobody would be fethed. The Xenomorphs are absolutely pathetic compared to Tyranid Genestealers, Xenomorphs themselves would only be a danger to Guardsmen. Space Marines would be completely immune to tyranids flat- they couldn't penetrate their armor. Plus they also wouldn't gain the geneseed of a space marine, as genetically Astartes are still normal humans. Eldar would be able to wipe them out with little effort, Orks probably are incompatible due to being a fungus and a not normal biological life, Tau would handle them with drones, etc. Even Hive Worlds shouldn't be threatened too much, they already deal with Genestealers who are far more stealthy, intelligent, faster, and stronger than Xenomorphs.

It doesn't help xenomorphs either they have a mentally slowed means of reproduction that would see them die off in very short order.


Xenormophs would just end up as a footnote as one of those annoying things that grow at the bottom of Hive Worlds. It's the only way they'd survive. Xenomorphs are cool, but they're completely outclassed by everything in Warhammer 40k. It doesn't help that their utterly stupid means of reproduction limits their ability to breed at all. Seriously? Who's bright idea was to come up with facehuggers? The original concept of the Xenomorph drones just raping you constantly and turning you in a living egg-sack made a lot more sense and was far more brutal than the facehuggers.

In the AvP universe they found space to bread and grow. People found the nests full of eggs and basically panicked. In the 40k universe they would just flamer or plasma the lot and carry on.

Xenos are incredibly intelligent for an animal, breed extremely quickly and adapt to there hosts.

Pretorians are a match for a tyranid warrior in toughness and armour, so while very tough to a standard human, not a real threat to anything else.

Various Xeno forms exist but are all generally around the same power level (snake aliens, dog aliens etc.).

Astartes armour has been shown in fluff to be very resistant to acids (venom cannon) and I find it doubtful that xeno acid would even penetrate it.

Not very fethed at all. A Stormtrooper kill team armed with flamers would cream an infestation.

 Formosa wrote:
Xenos are incredibly intelligent for an animal, breed extremely quickly and adapt to there hosts.

Pretorians are a match for a tyranid warrior in toughness and armour, so while very tough to a standard human, not a real threat to anything else.

Various Xeno forms exist but are all generally around the same power level (snake aliens, dog aliens etc.).

Astartes armour has been shown in fluff to be very resistant to acids (venom cannon) and I find it doubtful that xeno acid would even penetrate it.

What? No they aren't, Praetorians aren't even close to the level of lethality of a Tyranid Warrior. Xenomorphs die to small arm's fire. Tyranids however can develop resistance to plasma and are nearly immune to small arms fire, and can continue to fight and survive despite being vivisected. Just. No. Xenormophs aren't even close to Tyranids, nor are they to anything else in W40K. They're too small, too weak, and too stupid to survive. And they only breed fast when exposed to a large number of hosts which dries up for every xenomorph birthed- xernomorphs have one of the dumbest reproduction methods in Science Fiction given that it's self defeating for their own survival.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Not very fethed at all. A Stormtrooper kill team armed with flamers would cream an infestation.

Not even that. The local PDF would mop up a Xenormophs infestation.

Do you know anything about the alien franchise?

Pretorians are immune to small arms fire, they are around the same size as a warrior and it takes heavy duty weapons or armour piecing ammunition to take one down.

Any xeno can become a queen as necessary and all xenos are asexual so no male and female reproduction is needed, a xeno simply starts to become a queen and lays eggs, when these nests were destroyed large scale they adapted and started to build smaller nests, when those became threatened they adapted, and laid eggs and moved on and layer eggs and before you knew it there were millions of aliens and earth was over run.

The queen I'd compare to a mid tier mc, not a carnifex ht level of power but str6 t6, when the San Francisco nest was found the ensuing battle to kill the queen destroyed down town (what everthat is my American friends).

Xeno can survive in total vacuum aswell, this should annoy that one lady who has an airlock fetish.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
A space marine alien wouldn't happen.

For the simple reason that a marine is made with cultured implants, not born. All the things he has are added to him during creation. The resulting alien might also die on "birth" as the marine's ribcage is reinforced and covered with the black carapace too. Hitting your soft head into a brick wall isn't good for you. :-)

I'm seeing alot of bad law here lol

Ok the alien basically takes part of the hosts dna and adapts itself to best kill that life form.

When the chesrburster emerges it follow the path of least resistance, so if unable to emerge from the chest it will come from another part of the body such as the head or stomach.

Hypothetically if an alien was somehow able to impregnate a space marine it would take genetic data from its host, the gene seed houses alot of genetic data and as such would be subject to assimilation, space marines organs etc would not as they are. Implanted after the geneseed, so a xeno would not be able to assimilate these organs unless they are part of the geneseeds genetic make up, so an alien would have the enhanced strength characteristic of a space marine and it's other genetic enhancements, such as the enhanced ribcage, intelligence (possible) but would not be rocking a black carapace. Now if the other organs implanted have genetic markers (and biology tells us they will) that are used to create them, then it is possible that the alien could also take these characteristics on, albeit in a limited way due to its own biology.
All of this relies on the extremely unlikely situation that a marine could be face hugged or implanted with the eggs.


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Oh and just noticed these are avp xenos, so they have hyper accelerated growth and breeding, dem preds should not be messing with this stuff

 Formosa wrote:
Do you know anything about the alien franchise?

Pretorians are immune to small arms fire, they are around the same size as a warrior and it takes heavy duty weapons or armour piecing ammunition to take one down.

Any xeno can become a queen as necessary and all xenos are asexual so no male and female reproduction is needed, a xeno simply starts to become a queen and lays eggs, when these nests were destroyed large scale they adapted and started to build smaller nests, when those became threatened they adapted, and laid eggs and moved on and layer eggs and before you knew it there were millions of aliens and earth was over run.

The queen I'd compare to a mid tier mc, not a carnifex ht level of power but str6 t6, when the San Francisco nest was found the ensuing battle to kill the queen destroyed down town (what everthat is my American friends).

Xeno can survive in total vacuum aswell, this should annoy that one lady who has an airlock fetish.

Yeah, just that you slaughter Praetorians in all the AVP games with the only weapons available being pulse rifles. Lasguns would handle Xenomorphs perfect fine, not to mention completely remove the potential lethality of xenomorph blood.

Are you serial??????????

Games are not a good source of fluff especially fps ones haha, wow.

I'm now useing your logic, space marines are toast against a single tau fire warrior because of the firewarrior game I killed them with a lasgun!!

Ok pointless jibes aside I am quite surprised as what you stated, the aliens Canon is much richer than the terrible video games they have produced in recent years, now I am in no way stating that they would be anything in the 40k universe, I'm just clearing up the large amount of fluff errors that have been thrown around about them so far.

Don't forget btw that smart guns are essentially lower callibre bolt guns (explosive ammunition specifically), think a heavy stubber with auto lock and explosive rounds, this is the equivalent of the gpmg carried by colonial marines.

Most of the gene-therapy the geneseed performs is to adapt the Marine's body to accept the other implants, which generally work on a hormonal basis rather than a genetic one.

 Formosa wrote:
Are you serial??????????

Games are not a good source of fluff especially fps ones haha, wow.

I'm now useing your logic, space marines are toast against a single tau fire warrior because of the firewarrior game I killed them with a lasgun!!

Ok pointless jibes aside I am quite surprised as what you stated, the aliens Canon is much richer than the terrible video games they have produced in recent years, now I am in no way stating that they would be anything in the 40k universe, I'm just clearing up the large amount of fluff errors that have been thrown around about them so far.

Don't forget btw that smart guns are essentially lower callibre bolt guns (explosive ammunition specifically), think a heavy stubber with auto lock and explosive rounds, this is the equivalent of the gpmg carried by colonial marines.

The Colonial Marines do quite well against Xenomorphs in Aliens with small arms, the reason they lose so badly is poor tactical insertion and overwhelming numbers. The turrets are also light machine guns, and scythe them down by the scores. The standard hardware of just about anyone in the 40K franchise (which absolutely loves Big Guns... even the holdout pistols are .40 cal) packs enough heat to splatter a Xenomorph. Boltguns are one-shot, one-kill weapons against the Xenomorph.

Pretorians, not standard warriors, warriors are squishy and pop acid everywhere as a defensive measure to defend the hive (I believe some real ants do this too), pretorians are massive and armoured, they defend the queen. Like a standard tyranid warrior they "can" be taken down with enough small arms bee stings, but it's just not effective hence why I said immune, it takes ap ammo, when confronted with several pretorians in royal hive they had to resort to dedicated anti armour and anti material weapons to take them down, this is basically the equivalent to auto cannons and krak missiles, hence the almost direct comparison to tyranid warriors, infact it wouldn't surprise me if that is where warriors as a concept came from, doubt it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Yep them cool auto turrets are the same as the smart gun, just fully automated, pretty cool, but still just a heavy stubber by 40k standards.

 Formosa wrote:
Are you serial??????????

Games are not a good source of fluff especially fps ones haha, wow.

I'm now useing your logic, space marines are toast against a single tau fire warrior because of the firewarrior game I killed them with a lasgun!!

Ok pointless jibes aside I am quite surprised as what you stated, the aliens Canon is much richer than the terrible video games they have produced in recent years, now I am in no way stating that they would be anything in the 40k universe, I'm just clearing up the large amount of fluff errors that have been thrown around about them so far.

Don't forget btw that smart guns are essentially lower callibre bolt guns (explosive ammunition specifically), think a heavy stubber with auto lock and explosive rounds, this is the equivalent of the gpmg carried by colonial marines.

The Tau firewarrior had access to bolters. However, while gameplay is non-canon, the only weapons the Rookie had access to were bullets, a flamethrower, and the grenade launcher of the pulse rifle. Meaning that the Praetorian was either killed by small-arms fire or was killed by the grenade launcher at the highest. Also, no, the ammunition utilized by the smart gun is nothing like a bolter. Unless we're also going to start calling 5.56 a smoothbore tank cannon as it works on the same principal of a 120mm solid slug, I'd advise not to compare the smartgun's ammunition to bolters.

And Bolt Guns would actually be multi-kill guns. Firstly IIRC Xenomorphs can be harmed by their own acid, and the shockwave of bolters can rupture the organs in a close radius. So Xenomorphs near the unlucky sod who got popped right by them would either suffer from ruptured organs or a cracked exoskeleton.

And Xenomorphs would gain little advancement in W40K besides jumping abhumans. Eldar are bullet-timers and would be nigh impossible to impregnate (not to mention likely impossible if they're wearing a helmet), Orks are fungal life, Astartes are genetically a normal human, not to mention they'd probably survive being impgregnated and a xenomorph chest-buster couldn't even get out given the fused ribcage, and Tyranids are liable to simply eat the facehugger in the first place, acid be damned. You'd just see Tau, Human, and Abhuman xenomorphs.

I clarified it all for you wyzilla, I will address each point you made again for you.

The video games are in no way shape or form cannon, they are fir entertainment purposes only and a single pretorian could easily take out a whole platoon of colonial marines while taking heavy fire, this is shown in earth hive and royal hive as well as other novels.

The pulse rifle fires 10 mm caseless, and is directly comparable to auto rifles, which have the exact same stat line as a las gun.

The m56 smart gun fire 10mm armour piecing explosive rounds, this is directly comparable to a bolt round, lower caliber and lower end technologically, but comparable, so as stated its a heavy stubber that fires explosive rounds, the bolt gun is a personal weapon that fires explosive rounds, the smart gun also can be loaded with radioactive or acidic rounds.

Xenos are extremely fast and I agree.they would not match eldar etc. For speed, untill they assimilate eldar Dna and adapt biologically to the same if not faster speeds.

Orks are fungal based, this is irrelevant as they would still act as incubators for the xeno larvae, and Orks as a biological creature(although from a different tree of life) still have dna, with the information written directly into there Dna I cannot imagine the result of the creature it would produce.

As stated before the "chestburster" does not have tk come from the chest, it is a living organism and adapts like any other, they have been shown to come from the mouth, skull, stomach, and most horrible or all...the arse.

Just to be clear, I am NOT saying xenos are a massive threat to any 40k race, but to a hive world, craft world etc. If they are not exterminated quickly they will reach a critical mass and damage the population heavily.

Pleas understand that I'm not trying to be rude here but you very clearly have little experience with the greater aliens, avp and possibly predator expanded universe, I'm greatly enjoying this conversation however as it allows me to delve back into one of my favourite franchises.

What makes the games more or less canon than the novels?

The smartgun is not really comparable to a bolter. It's a fraction of the caliber, it doesn't have an armour-piercing tip, and it doesn't have onboard propulsion or intelligent fusing.

All an Astartes-Stealer would gain is the ability to accept Astartes implants. :p

The Tyranids, on the other hand, also gain the knowledge of how to manufacture said implants. Tyrand Gaurd are Astartes-'nids, after all - they don't like like Astartes, because the 'nids have to reverse engineer the augmentations and translate them into something usable.

The games suffer from the one man army problem of all fps games, also none have ever been referenced in the Canon like Dow has for example, none of the history or characters are part of the Canon either, for example the dow Games were not Canon untill gw made them Canon by introducing the events into the main steam 40k timeline, this has never happened with the games with exception to the already established technology.

Furyou, the smart gun does have an armour piecing tip as stated twice, it also fire explosive rounds as stated twice, also as stated it is lower calibre and not at technologically advanced, it is exactly the same as a heavy stubber which is also str4, due to the explosive rounds and armour piercing capabilities, high rate of fire and tracking capabilities it is comparable to a bolter

Heavy stubber str4 ap6 heavy 3
Bolter str4 ap5 rapid fire
Smart gun str4 ap6 assault 3
That is how they would match up.

Xenomrophs are not hormagaunts. Xenomorphs rip through lift doors and armoured panels, that could be S4 rending not S3.

Genestealers were always Xenomorph tropes anyway, but with psychic abilities to ensalve humans into a genestealer cult. They need that edge, and a collective sapient hive mind equal or exceeding human IQ in order to surive in the 41st millenium.

The zenomoprph probably has genestealer stats, but lacks the same level of smarts, lacks the same numbers dont have a fleet. They do have acid which makes the first few to to take one out with a chainsword to regret it, but afterwards the Ikperium would quickl;y learn.

I give the xenomorphs a week before thet get wiped out, though the fight will be bloody and several guardsmen will die.

Just so you guys stop making the "smart gun isn't comparable to a boltgun" it really really is

The M56 Smartgun is chambered for the M250 10×28mm High Explosive Armor Piercing caseless round, a 230 grain projectile encased in a rectangular block of Nitramine 50.[5] This round offers greater power than the M309 used by the M41A Pulse Rifle, and also offers a selectable fuse setting — a switch on the Smartgun's grip is used to switch between ammunition fusing modes, and the setting is applied to each round electronically as it is loaded into the chamber.[5] The Super setting is optimized for use against soft targets, detonating on impact, while the Delay setting will allow the round to penetrate armor before exploding

 Formosa wrote:
I clarified it all for you wyzilla, I will address each point you made again for you.

The video games are in no way shape or form cannon, they are fir entertainment purposes only and a single pretorian could easily take out a whole platoon of colonial marines while taking heavy fire, this is shown in earth hive and royal hive as well as other novels.

Prove it with a statement from FOX. They lisened and published the games. There is no reason to think they are not canon When The Games Are The Reason Why AVP Exists In The First Place. I suppose the movies are no longer canon for star wars either?

The pulse rifle fires 10 mm caseless, and is directly comparable to auto rifles, which have the exact same stat line as a las gun.

The tabletop rules have absolutely nothing to do with the fluff.

The m56 smart gun fire 10mm armour piecing explosive rounds, this is directly comparable to a bolt round, lower caliber and lower end technologically, but comparable, so as stated its a heavy stubber that fires explosive rounds, the bolt gun is a personal weapon that fires explosive rounds, the smart gun also can be loaded with radioactive or acidic rounds.

No it isn't, unless you're thick enough to start comparing small arms fire to solid slugs fired from artillery cannons or tanks "because they're directly comparable."

Xenos are extremely fast and I agree.they would not match eldar etc. For speed, untill they assimilate eldar Dna and adapt biologically to the same if not faster speeds.

There's no reason to believe they would assimilate Eldar speed considering their speed results from a lithe body and IIRC, superior control over their nervous system (which might not even be similar to humans).

Orks are fungal based, this is irrelevant as they would still act as incubators for the xeno larvae, and Orks as a biological creature(although from a different tree of life) still have dna, with the information written directly into there Dna I cannot imagine the result of the creature it would produce.

Are you so ignorant of biology to think that fungal based life would be at all similar to what xenomorphs normally use as hosts (carbon based life), ignoring that we've never actually even seen Xenormophs impregnate a fungus to my knowledge, meaning that we have absolutely no idea if the two would be compatible. Hell we don't even know how an Ork nervous system works, what's the base material for blood, or if their blood even functions like normal blood. Orks are so entirely alien from anything Xenomorphs have infected prior we may not even have reason to believe they are!

As stated before the "chestburster" does not have tk come from the chest, it is a living organism and adapts like any other, they have been shown to come from the mouth, skull, stomach, and most horrible or all...the arse.

Just to be clear, I am NOT saying xenos are a massive threat to any 40k race, but to a hive world, craft world etc. If they are not exterminated quickly they will reach a critical mass and damage the population heavily.

Except they won't, as given the method of reproduction Xenomorphs use, they'll kill themselves if they expand too much. They'll wipe themselves out if they manage somehow to actually be a threat to a Hive World.

Pleas understand that I'm not trying to be rude here but you very clearly have little experience with the greater aliens, avp and possibly predator expanded universe, I'm greatly enjoying this conversation however as it allows me to delve back into one of my favourite franchises.

Little Experience?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh gak, wait, you're serious.

I own-

ALIEN, ALIENS, Predator, Predator 2, AVP 1, and AVP 2. I also own AVP 1999, AVP 2010, and pdf's of some of the old comics. I am VERY well informed of the three franchises, and I know when you're cherry picking evidence.