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Bioptic wrote:
I realise that this isn't a very "Dakka-esque" statement to make, but the likelihood of me painting all of the mooks is low (particularly as stretch goals pile up!), so I'm less concerned about them being pretty.

We destroyed the Dakka Hive Mind Gestalt Being Overmind about 5 or 6 years ago, so that is, in fact, very much a "Dakka-esque" thing to say.

Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion now still!

And for what's its worth, I'm coming around to the 'boardgame' side of things here too, but still hopeful that the miniatures will look really nice.

 Alpharius wrote:


And for what's its worth, I'm coming around to the 'boardgame' side of things here too, but still hopeful that the miniatures will look really nice.

And, frankly, even with the miniatures being "boardgame quality" (and I think it's an almost unfair statement to make these days because the quality is so far and above what it used to be only 3-5 years ago), I still think there's going to be plenty of detail and sculpt quality for average painters (and lets be honest, thats what the majority of dakka consists of) to get good results, while good to exceptional painters have proven time and again they can get exceptional quality from this style of miniature.

I was hoping to resist this one, but right out of the gate it was too good of a deal. Over a 100 minis before any stretch goals, and there was a game too?

In the first 24 hours, we (us U.S. backers anyway) nearly crossed the $1 per figure threshold of "totally incapable of resisting this project". I'm in.

I'm just disappointed in some of the miniatures relative to the talent they have. I also don't completely understand what style or scale they are going for. For example, the weapons of the Picts are "realistic" in proportion to their size and strength for two handed hammers:

Then you have the pirates who appear to be dual wielding 2 handed weapons that are as big as their bodies:

Then Skeletons using 2 handed axes that are to scale for a wood chopping axe:

Then Pallantides one handed sword being the size of his body.


I prefer the more realistic scale weapons, but the other can work. I'm not a fan of mixing the two scales though.

I wonder if this sculpt they previewed back in March is still going to make it in, presumably as a stretch goal at some point:

It is much closer to the quality I was hoping for on all the miniatures.

Likewise the archer looks great:

as does this other previewed Conan sculpt:

In fact other than Zelata I like most of the core and deluxe models that we have seen up close enough to make a fair judgement on, I just wish the weapon scale on some of them was more realistic or if the one handers are going to be the size of the miniature's bodies, then likewise enhance the 2 handers to monster size.

..... Yes, those will make it in. Why would they bother paying for the sculpts to be made if they were not actually going in to the campaign. They do not want to dangle those carrots before the funding encourages it.

I'm sure they will be sold at some point, I just don't know if they will be add ons or stretch goals. That will make for 3 additional sculpts of just Conan that have to be unlocked when you include this one:

Then you have the pirates who appear to be dual wielding 2 handed weapons that are as big as their bodies:

not sure its that out of wack - we are doing some duel wielding in our Shinkendo classes and thats two bokken which are prettu big - its not easy

Pirates and skeletons look like they're still renders.

Maybe with some input they can get them adjusted?

Consistency is nice sometimes.

This thing is crushing Stretch Goals. Zeroing in on $400K and a new board and 4 new scenarios. Very cool.

 cincydooley wrote:
This thing is crushing Stretch Goals. Zeroing in on $400K and a new board and 4 new scenarios. Very cool.

We're crushing stretch goals, seeing them driven before us, and hearing the lamentations of the haters.

Ha!

Exalted!

Ok, so the extra Skeletons and the new board are done and dusted, as is the next stretch goal of another character, Olgerd




Up next are some tables and chairs to use in the bar room brawl scenarios. Apparently, yes. You can pick up and use the chairs



We've also got a couple of add-ons. First some extra dice; apparently very useful



And a Brom character pack with alt versions of Conan and Belit, with them at a different stage of their lives. Conan is more sneaky/thief like and Belit is a lot more aggressive. She's now ambidextrous, which means she can use two weapons at the same time and gain the benefits of both. The character boxes come with two models, their character card and, in this case, 5 new pieces of equipment.




Future add-on boxes will apparently be more focused on new villains and heroes/allies

Is it wrong that the thing that will most likely see me backing this Kickstarter is the $450k table and benches stretch goal . I'm not a huge Conan fan, but at that point were looking at 150 minis (counting the chests, cases and tables as minis) for $150 shipped in the USA. A buck a figure and hopefully a decent game, I could go for that.

I want sabertooth kitty's and more hyenas.

Man-ape is just awesome too.

I'm backing this project now, but seeing how this is a new company with what appears to be their first product I'm alittle nearvous.

I'm being tempted to back. I'm still struggling with the fact it's a boardgame, my mind just demands Conan skirmish gaming and sometimes the 5 monoposes briefly disappoint me, and the Picts are too... Neanderthaly for my liking. I'll probably back at the end when I work out exactly In want in terms of add ons and whatnot. I'm hoping for Bossonians and Shemites, though I'm doubt they'd be high priority.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
I'm backing this project now, but seeing how this is a new company with what appears to be their first product I'm alittle nearvous.

The Monolith might be new, but half the owners already own and run another, very successful games company (http://www.studiobombyx.com/) so they have the know-how to run this thing properly

The publisher has published a fair number of games, including painted plastic, although, yes, I haven't found if they've done something like a KS before: https://www.facebook.com/hascoeterwan

I guess I'd rank the publisher above MCG and GEG, but below CMON in getting stuff out?

And take a close look at the pic at the top of the page!

The models look really nice, the only reason I haven't backed this already is it's overlord gameplay instead of co-op

What's the deal with Olged's axe? Just noticed he's holding it backwards.

Is that a thing a grizzled warrior would be doing?

Seems we've also passed the tables and chairs stretch.

By the time we get this and Dungeon Saga, I have a feeling many of our dungeons are going to be well furnished!

 Catyrpelius wrote:
I'm backing this project now, but seeing how this is a new company with what appears to be their first product I'm alittle nearvous.

Yeah, it's not really new, nor are any of the designers. Lots of experience running this thing.

 Lord Solaar wrote:
The models look really nice, the only reason I haven't backed this already is it's overlord gameplay instead of co-op

Eh, someone on BGG's gonna make a coop version soon enough.

Play only the undead scenarios. Mummies and skeletons attack the nearest character. Simple enough.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What's the deal with Olged's axe? Just noticed he's holding it backwards.

Is that a thing a grizzled warrior would be doing?

Seems we've also passed the tables and chairs stretch.

By the time we get this and Dungeon Saga, I have a feeling many of our dungeons are going to be well furnished!

Yeah the axe looks funny, I'm hoping it's just an odd angle for taking the picture. Speaking of pictures, I wish they would give us some more close ups of the core set and king pledge figures.

As for the add-ons, the Conan/Belit set seems like it's about $10 more than it should be. I don't even consider them to be very interesting sculpts. I'm more inclined to order these two miniatures as proxies if I want a topless Belit and another Conan, which is cheaper and metal miniatures with more dynamic poses:




Sure you don't get the equipment cards and character sheets, but it's almost guaranteed that pictures of those will be easy to find online to print a copy out for home play with what ever proxies you want.

Karazax wrote:

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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What's the deal with Olged's axe? Just noticed he's holding it backwards.

Is that a thing a grizzled warrior would be doing?

Seems we've also passed the tables and chairs stretch.

By the time we get this and Dungeon Saga, I have a feeling many of our dungeons are going to be well furnished!

Yeah the axe looks funny, I'm hoping it's just an odd angle for taking the picture. Speaking of pictures, I wish they would give us some more close ups of the core set and king pledge figures.

As for the add-ons, the Conan/Belit set seems like it's about $10 more than it should be. I don't even consider them to be very interesting sculpts. I'm more inclined to order these two miniatures as proxies if I want a topless Belit and another Conan, which is cheaper and metal miniatures with more dynamic poses:




Sure you don't get the equipment cards and character sheets, but it's almost guaranteed that pictures of those will be easy to find online to print a copy out for home play with what ever proxies you want.

Quick question Karazax, what do you think would make a set like that worth a $25 price tag?

More interesting/dynamic models, more game materials (more tokens, cards, etc.)?

I'm (rudely) also going to answer that question:

- Even for high-quality boardgame plastic miniatures, I would not expect them to cost the same as/more than equivalent high-quality wargaming miniatures.

I think that CMON are at the top end of the market for Kickstarters, and charge $5 per model with associated rules, not $12.50. These models are always Kickstarter exclusive, which drives demand up due to perceived resale value.

At £16 for two, these are getting on in price for top-of -the-range hand-cast limited-edition resin miniatures (~£10-15 from Studio Mcvey).

- The models as shown are not particularly exciting pose & sculpt-wise, nor different enough to what is being included in the base pledge. There's not the "I must have THAT" factor, although admittedly I'm not a dyed in the wool Conan fan.

- In general, I'm happier paying a bit more for an actual themed expansion that modifies content/options within the game along a particular direction, and this approach benefits from economies of scale.

I'd much rather pay $50 for a Zombicide expansion + 1 exclusive character than pay $50 for 5 exclusive Zombicide characters.

As has been mentioned, we're now past the tables and onto the new stretches




And a new add-on. It has already been pointed out that the graphic is wrong as it should not be a free model if it costs $10



They also provided some additional rules for the tables/chairs:

"Standing on a table gives you a bonus in combat and smashing a stool on the head of your opponent gives you a yellow bonus dice too!"

I'm interested to see the Sabretooth has two tiles. I'm wondering if this is so you can have two tiles on the track at the same time, so you can potentially activate him twice in a turn at a more reasonable cost than if you tried to do the same with another unit?

I agree with Bioptic quite a bit. $25 for the expansion feels really high, especially when you look at a CMoN artist box that goes for $20, contains 6 unique sculpts, character sheets for all the models, and (albeit small) plastic tracking markers.

Bioptic has it right here, IMO.

I'm with Bioptic as well. $25 for those two doesn't seem great value, but I'm happy with the $10 for the Sabretooth as it looks like a large model


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 cincydooley wrote:
especially when you look at a CMoN artist box that goes for $20, contains 6 unique sculpts

The Zombicide artist boxes contain 4 figures, not 6 btw. The Moustache packs are 6 figures for $25 though

I may not plunge for those Conan and Belit sculpts, but I think I might splurge on a saber tooth tiger.

Especially since we all know how things went the last time Ice Age Mammals were being touted on Kickstarter...

Plus I just like having various wildlife sculpts.

Bioptic wrote:
I'm (rudely) also going to answer that question:

- Even for high-quality boardgame plastic miniatures, I would not expect them to cost the same as/more than equivalent high-quality wargaming miniatures.

I think that CMON are at the top end of the market for Kickstarters, and charge $5 per model with associated rules, not $12.50. These models are always Kickstarter exclusive, which drives demand up due to perceived resale value.

At £16 for two, these are getting on in price for top-of -the-range hand-cast limited-edition resin miniatures (~£10-15 from Studio Mcvey).

- The models as shown are not particularly exciting pose & sculpt-wise, nor different enough to what is being included in the base pledge. There's not the "I must have THAT" factor, although admittedly I'm not a dyed in the wool Conan fan.

- In general, I'm happier paying a bit more for an actual themed expansion that modifies content/options within the game along a particular direction, and this approach benefits from economies of scale.

I'd much rather pay $50 for a Zombicide expansion + 1 exclusive character than pay $50 for 5 exclusive Zombicide characters.

No, that pretty much sums up my thoughts on it. Look at Malifaux online retailer price for a starter set at ~$30 you can get 6 highly dynamic and detailed miniatures with stat cards and upgrades and they will be delivered within a week, not waiting for who knows how long on a kickstarter which inevitably is going to be delayed. If the two miniatures I posted as possible proxies were what they were offering for $25 I would be very tempted. Considering those two sculpts cost about that much at retail, or slightly less at online dealer prices and they are much more detailed and interesting poses to me.

It's interesting that the "free" sabertooth tiger costs $10:

( I imagine the image will eventually be edited or removed, but it currently shows "add on: one free sabertooth tiger" which suggests that perhaps it was a stretch goal they changed to an add on. This one will be kickstarter exclusive sculpt, but a different sabertooth tiger will be availabe at retail. It's a pretty good looking model, not a lot of sabertooth tiger proxies out there to choose from. At $5 I would be tempted, but I'm not a completionist who has to have everything. It would have been a more exciting stretch goal than more versions of mummies or skeletons though.

Ha! That's a good spot Karazax. One free sabertooth tiger for $10.