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 milkboy wrote:
CrownAxe, the vehicle type was changed by the recent faq. Yet the part about embarkation was not. So barontuman has a point.

That is why I quoted what I quoted. The Night Scythe has a Rule[or rule clarification] (Access Points) that allows a unit to embark so long as it is within 2in of the base of the Night Scythe at the end of its move. This is also supported by the FAQ making the Base of the Model an access point.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
It just seems weird that something that was perfectly legal in 6th edition (via the FAQ) is now illegal, despite nothing having changed in the flyer rules.

Just ask Heldrake players how they feel about this issue.


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 BLADERIKER wrote:

 milkboy wrote:
CrownAxe, the vehicle type was changed by the recent faq. Yet the part about embarkation was not. So barontuman has a point.

That is why I quoted what I quoted. The Night Scythe has a Rule[or rule clarification] (Access Points) that allows a unit to embark so long as it is within 2in of the base of the Night Scythe at the end of its move. This is also supported by the FAQ making the Base of the Model an access point.

No the NS has rules on how to embark disembark, there is no permission given to embark on a zooming flyer.

Currently they would be allowed to embark if within 2" AND the vehicle was not zooming.

I'd love to utilize whichever FAQ I wanted, but that is not how it works.

 BLADERIKER wrote:

 milkboy wrote:
CrownAxe, the vehicle type was changed by the recent faq. Yet the part about embarkation was not. So barontuman has a point.

That is why I quoted what I quoted. The Night Scythe has a Rule[or rule clarification] (Access Points) that allows a unit to embark so long as it is within 2in of the base of the Night Scythe at the end of its move. This is also supported by the FAQ making the Base of the Model an access point.

Very important:

The rule in the codex is not a rule, it's an example. The clear definition of access points is necessary for units to disembark.

 CrownAxe wrote:

barontuman wrote:
Codex overrides main rule book. If models wish to embark they may given the above stipulation.

So its a fast skimmer too then?

No because the FAQ overrides the Codex

The codex does NOT grant permission to embark on a zooming flyer. The sentence about being in 2'' radius of the base in an example that was written back when it was a skimmer. Examples are not rules.

 Sigvatr wrote:
The codex does NOT grant permission to embark on a zooming flyer. The sentence about being in 2'' radius of the base in an example that was written back when it was a skimmer. Examples are not rules.

The codex clearly states 'embark'. This overrules the rule in the BRB that prevents units from embarking as it is a more advanced rule.

Quote then?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Quote then?

Page 51 Necron Codex "Access points: Treat the wormhole Gateway on the underside of the Night Scythe as its Access Point. For the purpose of embarking or disembarking from a Night Scythe, measure to and from the model's base. For example, models wishing to embark within a Night Scythe can do so if at the end of their movement, all the models of the unit are within 2in of the Night Scythe base."

The entire paragraph is no longer existent.

FAQ:

Page 51 - Night Scythe, Access Points
Change to "1 (the base of the model)".

Your rules quote please?

barontuman wrote:
models wishing to embark within a Night Scythe can do so if at the end of their movement, all the models of the unit are within 2in of the Night Scythe base."

Codex overrides main rule book. If models wish to embark they may given the above stipulation.

RAW, RAI, how reasonable people should play it, all wrapped into one nice tidy bundle.

The rule actually says,
"For example, models wishing to embark within a Night Scythe can do so if at the end of their movement, all the models of the unit are within 2in of the Night Scythe base."
It's referencing the previous sentence which states you use the glowy crystal as the access point for embarking/disembarking. It makes it a little less cut and dry.

-Matt

Matt, the entire paragraph has been deleted with the FAQ and was replaced with "1 (the base of the model)". But yes, you are correct. It's an example, not a rule.

 Sigvatr wrote:
The codex does NOT grant permission to embark on a zooming flyer. The sentence about being in 2'' radius of the base in an example that was written back when it was a skimmer. Examples are not rules.

False. The FAQ that allowed Necrons to use the base of the Night Scythe as an access point was added 24th July 2012. That was in 6th edition after the unit type was changed to 'Flyer'.

This is quite clear RAW.

2 major things are present in the FAQ/Errata.

Via Errata the Night Scythe was changed into a Flyer, one that cannot hover, only Zoom.

Via Errata, Access Points was changed to "Access Points: 1 (the base of the model)". The old paragraph was removed, it no longer exists.

Now we have a Zooming Flyer that is a Transport. We have a special rule added via FAQ/Errata Invasion Beams that lets us disembark from a Zooming Flyer.


No where is there any permission remaining that allows a unit to Embark on a Zooming flyer. Any reference or previous permission is gone. It is quite clear, the basis for the arguments for allowing a Night Scythe to Embark are based upon rules that have been removed and no longer exist.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The codex does NOT grant permission to embark on a zooming flyer. The sentence about being in 2'' radius of the base in an example that was written back when it was a skimmer. Examples are not rules.

False. The FAQ that allowed Necrons to use the base of the Night Scythe as an access point was added 24th July 2012. That was in 6th edition after the unit type was changed to 'Flyer'.

Correct. Pointed out earlier - my bad.