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... you mean it's possible for a game to get *better* with new releases?! I'm sold on x-wing 100% now.

It really did provide a new game experience beyond just dueling with small squads of fighters. The big ships and the extra points really changed things. There was some hard decision making about whether to take out fighters or concentrate fire on the larger craft.

With the larger crafts also having lower agility, it felt pretty cool to finally get the most out of things like the slave 1 and tie bomber barrages. That big pig is not dodging that missile!

I've only played one epic game so far, but the satisfaction from ramming a pair of tooled up bombers with my corvette was immense. Sadly, the maneouvre crippled the fore...

It was genuinely epic in scope though. Lots of fun to be had with huge fleets and ships! Various skirmishes were happening all over the board, with a wings dueling with interceptors, the falcon and a hwk battling the firespray and some ties, and some bombers with a shuttle tackling the behemoth.

Can't wait to see what the imperial huge ships will be.

Ok first off I would not say I've truly left 40k as at the end of the day it is the game to go to at my FLGS but I have been drifting away from it..

Why I'm drifting away Well its not because of the money surprisingly, I know that if I want anything I can go to Ebay or another store such as Wayland Games or my own FLGS which offer discounts, nor is it from a poorly worded rulebook as I have a good few friends who keep their sensible hats on. My main reasons is mainly divided onto two sections:

Balance issues: I know that rules are meant to be reflective of fluff, which in a game I agree with completely however some of those rules do give others too much of an advantage one such example is the Blade storm rule for Eldar which can be compared to a bad rule that supposed to reflect the fluff such as the Mob Rule for Orks one one side we have an awesome rule which can kill MC's without giving them any saves and the other rule in this instance Mob Rule makes you roll a mini mindshackle scarab table in which while it does pass the moral check does kill your own guys unless your prepared to spend 'eavy armour for 10pts a boy. Another example is all armies have strengths and weaknesses, this is core game mechanics of any game. However there are certain ways which not only cover a weakness of an army but also take the strength of another army and shoves it right into their backside, a good example of this is the Midshackle scarabs, to not only cover your weakness of low Inititve but to also make certain good units in other armies useless is just plain wrong imo..

It is examples like this where some armies have to prepare for fixing their own issues within their codex whilst others get to have good rules that really boost an army without having to pay many or any points at all, that do discourage my motivation form playing many 40k games imo.

Tournament scene because of the balance issues in 40k I personally really do dislike the competitive scene in 40k, I like competitive play in games in general as I like testing out my skill, but I feel with 40k that the only skill is your job in real life so you can quickly pay upfront for the latest net list just to win some prize money, it is this kind of attitude that really does peeve me off when thinking about 40k.

Ok so what have I been drifting off into? Well a couple of games tbh..

Warmachine: I like Cygnar as I love the models of the knights, trenchers and lighting and Steamnpunk.. Count me in

X-Wing: Bought a starter set just recently and I am getting about 4 more TIE fighters on the cheap, which is a good starting point for me

Deadzone: Got the starter for my birthday, played/reffed on demo game using the free intro rules on the Mantic website and loved it, better yet a lot of people down my FLGS also want to flock to Deadzone for is awesome minis for cheap affordable cost as well and those who have played the demo game fell in love with it instantly

Maliufaux, Bought Archanists because I loved all the themes surrounding them, however since most of the FLGS plays Archanists anyway I decided to start up the Guild and since then never looked back

Batman Miniatures Game: Played this got Jokers starter with Mr.Freeze and never looked back. My all time favorite game. Ever. And now Arkham Origins Deathstroke is coming soon I am really looking forward to seeing it

What I plan on getting into:

Dystopian Wars: I used to play this as part of a school club game, but since leaving school I have had no chance of a game since, but one day I plan on getting back into it with my KoB

Infinity: I have heard good and bad from this, however when looking at the factions I was always in a conflict whether to choose Pan-Oceania or the Normads... Now since the upcoming release of the Starter set I feel like i really want to give that a head start as its probably the first starter set that has both factions I want in it which I feel deserves a big amount of credit for Corvus Beli

Firestrom Armada/Planetfall: Love the designs for this, would be nice to see how it plays

All Quiet on the Martian Front: Love War of the Worlds, and would love a Tri-Pod force screeching "Oolaa".

Will add any more games if I think of any I can recall..

 Eggs wrote:
I've only played one epic game so far, but the satisfaction from ramming a pair of tooled up bombers with my corvette was immense. Sadly, the maneouvre crippled the fore...

It was genuinely epic in scope though. Lots of fun to be had with huge fleets and ships! Various skirmishes were happening all over the board, with a wings dueling with interceptors, the falcon and a hwk battling the firespray and some ties, and some bombers with a shuttle tackling the behemoth.

Can't wait to see what the imperial huge ships will be.

What everyone wants is a Star Destroyer but at the scale it would be nearly 6 metres long so I am afraid it will remain in the realm of imagination.

I "started" 40k in 08, during my second tour in Iraq. While out there, I had bought the 4th edition rule book, and Marine codex (right before 5th came out)... My first miniatures purchase was the Apocalypse Reloaded release of the Space Marine Company, plus Land Raiders, plus Termie chaplain (huge mistake)... Ever since, my wife has bitched about the costs of doing what I honestly love to do: paint models and game.

So, I got the 5th ed. rule book, kept up the codices with most of the armies (though for some reason, I cannot find my CSM book). When I saw the announcement for 6th, and later the price of the BRB for it, I said "I'm done" I didn't like the cost of the book, and I didn't like all the rules disputes that ultimately came up whenever I played in store.


Since then, I've collected models for various DnD campaigns, as well as starting a Mercenaries and now Convergence force for Warmachine. I've started playing Malifaux with the wife (honestly the first TT "wargame" that she has enjoyed, so thats a plus), as well as eyeing/collecting Infinity and Helldorado minis/rules.


The warmachine thing sort of ended up a small "mistake" as I was preparing for a third deployment, a buddy in my unit and I were planning on taking gaming stuff with us, and he didn't want to take his full DA army, so we both mutually decided Warmachine was the way to go for Afghanistan... Well, turns out, I didn't deploy with the unit, and he bought a whole new 40k army down range

The thing with Infinity and Helldorado were actually kind of accidents in themselves. I had long eyed an Empire WHFB army, and I LOOOVE the Warrior Priest (it was my main class on the doomed MMO), but I didn't like the models offered, so I looked for a suitably heavy armored, hammer wielding loony, and came across a Helldorado model for Augustus Raimond. Very similarly, as I was starting my "poor-mans Death Korps" army for IG, I was looking at sniper models, and found a ton of really awesome looking infinity models, a couple of which made it into that army.


Malifaux was the one extra game where I went into it, looking for a new game to play. And once I showed my wife the card mechanic instead of dice, she wanted to try it, and so we got the rule book, some supplements (because who doesn't love more fluff) and a couple of Crews and tried it out.

I constantly read about people moving to another systems and 40К declining as a result in certain areas. Well, it happened in our community. I sold my last 40К army two days ago at a huge discount just because I didn't wand to have anything to do with GW. They lack of respect to their customers, their total disconnect from their fan base, their total disregard of the quality of their rules... I can go on. My decision to finally let go was the best thing to come out of my brief flirtation with 40K. Today I went to the club and only few were feeling like playing warhammer. Most of the people were socializing, doing stuff for the club, a friend of mine was assembling his Dropzone Commander models and two guys were playing proxied game of Warmachine, because our models haven't arrived yet. Warhammer was played only on two tables and usually you can see 8-10 people playing. I felt both relieved and quite sad. Sad for a friend who feels left behind, because he is quite attached to the game. He is one of the best opponents I had pleasure to play with, and he is in 40К mainly for the fluff and the social interactions. And it seems that everyone is loosing interest in his favorite past time. Actually I find this terrible. Why did it have to turn this way? But I couldn't go on. I started to feel like a hypocrite for playing a game, made by people who hate me. It simply wasn't fun and all the models I loved had to go.

I've just played my first few games of Dropzone Commander and it has been quite enlightening! Miniature wargames can be fun(40K was my first)! This game is one of the best tactical games that I've played . I am eagerly awaiting the rest of the 3000 points of Scourge that I've ordered. Also I look forward to put my 20 points Menoth on the table. We are indeed living in the golden age of wargaming !

Don't buy or use anything GW has come out with since at least 2008 and you'll have a great time with 40k. 40k is only as unpleasant as GW can make it for you.

I left GW in that I still play 6th, but all my purchases go to ebay, for cut-price models. And I've recently taken to buying paint from Privateer Press.

My tanks be rollin', 'Dubs be hatin, tryna catch me fightin' dirty!

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Eggs wrote:
I've only played one epic game so far, but the satisfaction from ramming a pair of tooled up bombers with my corvette was immense. Sadly, the maneouvre crippled the fore...

It was genuinely epic in scope though. Lots of fun to be had with huge fleets and ships! Various skirmishes were happening all over the board, with a wings dueling with interceptors, the falcon and a hwk battling the firespray and some ties, and some bombers with a shuttle tackling the behemoth.

Can't wait to see what the imperial huge ships will be.

What everyone wants is a Star Destroyer but at the scale it would be nearly 6 metres long so I am afraid it will remain in the realm of imagination.

Let's start a kickstarter for a 6M Start destroyer playsheet! for massive X-wing games! (Turrets not included!)

Im slowing down my GW partaking and getting into X-Wing.

When I lived in Somerset we did a tone of Warmachine and Zombie Hunters Extreme or it could of been Extreme Zombie Hunters, I left Frome and started back with 40k and Im in a new club so Im starting Warmachine back up and getting my toe wet with a bit of 40k X-Wing and back with Warmachine Mk II


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Also I want to see an Imperial Shipyard to play games on and see if the Imps can hold onto it.

For me it all started at the release of 6th ed 40k i played a few games and just hated the rule set combine that with the price hikes and I started to look elsewhere after playing old gw favourites like mordheim, necromunda and gorkamorka. I played a few other games like warhammer historicals legends of the high seas and rules of engagement. Then tried flames of war but it felt to much like 40k set in ww2 for me so had picked up battlegroup kursk using 15mm models so I could persuade the flames guys to play its now our go to ww2 system. Being converted to a smaller scale of models a new game dropzone commander caught my eye after I picked it up I havnt looked back I love it.
I still have my 40k armies lots of orks some guard and some space wolves I still want to use these im going to try out warpath. After gw I have also started playing alot more board games.
Now I still love alot of gws models but the price still puts me of at the moment. The rules though the only thing im doing is playing old games that gw has long ago lost interest in.

Not a dramatic stop, but a slow drift for me. I used to play 40K and Fantasy regularly about 5 years ago in a competitive club in Dublin, and travel to tournaments. I picked up Warmachine and Hordes and enjoyed them for a while.

Now I've been moving around a lot, and my heavy metal Warmachine and Hordes models have been taking a beating, so I switched back to 40K for 6th edition when it came out. Still haven't played a game of it, because the rules just seemed too clunky and it nullified my favourite army (horde orks) as far as I could see. Work meant I was getting no games in, but still painting models and following things online.

Not getting games in meant that the models lost some value to me as a consumer, as did the rules. When the rulebooks went hardback, I decided they weren't worth the money to upgrade for my armies any more. I sometimes buy a plastic boxed set if I think it is nice enough, but that has declined big time. I've not bought into 7th and my enthusiasm for the whole thing has just ebbed away. I'm not angry or indignant, just bored!

So, not being tied to any system due to not playing, I began to purchase miniatures for other reasons. I got into Red Box Games fantasy miniatures for aesthetic reasons alone- I just love them! Their more realistic scaling grew on me, and made me look more favourably at Historicals. I began to read more history and listen to historical podcasts, and now I've got 3 army projects for Saga and a plan for Pike and Shotte on the way. I'm collecting all the armies myself and if I don't get to play they are still fun little projects for me to play with and try to get right. If I meet someone who might be interested, I can give them an army and the systems I can choose to use to play with them are simple enough to teach that I can do so in half an hour, as opposed to the clunky mess that GW is selling these days.

The last nail in the coffin was probably that GW closed their awesome store in Dusseldorf so now the only dedicated gaming store stocks mostly historicals and Warmachine and Hordes.

(All of that said, I've also drifted away from Privateer Press games due to issues with the price and quality of their miniatures. I don't find the scaling consistent enough and I hate working with clunky metals that come apart even after they've been extensively pinned. Only exquisite metals or hard plastic kits are good enough for me now, especially when I do a price comparison with many high quality plastic historical kits!)

I wonder why does it take so long to get a turn of 40k done its all the extra gubbinz they bolted on.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Eggs wrote:
I've only played one epic game so far, but the satisfaction from ramming a pair of tooled up bombers with my corvette was immense. Sadly, the maneouvre crippled the fore...

It was genuinely epic in scope though. Lots of fun to be had with huge fleets and ships! Various skirmishes were happening all over the board, with a wings dueling with interceptors, the falcon and a hwk battling the firespray and some ties, and some bombers with a shuttle tackling the behemoth.

Can't wait to see what the imperial huge ships will be.

What everyone wants is a Star Destroyer but at the scale it would be nearly 6 metres long so I am afraid it will remain in the realm of imagination.

Let's start a kickstarter for a 6M Start destroyer playsheet! for massive X-wing games! (Turrets not included!)

Nah, that's what they made Legos for.

Lots and lots o' Lego.....

More seriously... I think that the Star Destroyer might be better done as a battle mat - a playing surface that fires back. *EDIT* Maybe some 3D elements like the towers and some turrets.

The Auld Grump

One of my future projects is to make just that, only as a death star surface with a trench run, and turbolaser towers.

I've no interest in a star destroyer. Far too out of scale, and designed to engage other capital ships, not dogfighters.

A 3D battlemat of a Star Destroyer is a great idea!

You could have the bridge and some gun turrets as plastic models. The sort of top level of the ship's outer hull would be the battlemat.

The rest of the ship would be off the edges of the table.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You could have the bridge and some gun turrets as plastic models. The sort of top level of the ship's outer hull would be the battlemat.

That's still enormous! I like the idea, but I don't see them doing it. It's just too big!

The corvette is huge for the game. Remember the Star Destroyer swallowing it like it was nothing? Might be too big.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
A 3D battlemat of a Star Destroyer is a great idea!

You could have the bridge and some gun turrets as plastic models. The sort of top level of the ship's outer hull would be the battlemat.

The rest of the ship would be off the edges of the table.

Not sure if he ever got any further with it - but a month or so ago...we cut out plywood for doing a the front end of a Star Destroyer (forget which class - but the Tie Fighters launch out of the nose on it). My friends idea is that the tie fighters would effectively "respawn" from the launch tubes til the end of the scenario. You could go up and over the destroyer and hide on one side or the other - but we didn't want to mess with going under it. It is probably the first 3 1/2 feet of a to scale Star Destoyer done sort of as a "waterline" model that he was going to detail out with bits and pieces.

I like the idea of a vinyl mat printed with a star destroyer surface and then the bridge tower and shield generators rising up as a terrain piece.

I have given up on 40k since 7th edition arrived. While I was disappointed in the release and the cost, it was really because my friends gave up on it and sold their armies.

We now play poker. we have been playing draw and stud, along with Texas Hold'em and Omaha, and creating our own 40k variants to ease the transition.

The best is WAAGGH poker, played like Omaha but with some new rules. At any point in the game, a player holding an Ace can declare a WAAGGH, thus ending the hand but leaving the pot in place for the next round.

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have given up on 40k since 7th edition arrived. While I was disappointed in the release and the cost, it was really because my friends gave up on it and sold their armies.

We now play poker. we have been playing draw and stud, along with Texas Hold'em and Omaha, and creating our own 40k variants to ease the transition.

The best is WAAGGH poker, played like Omaha but with some new rules. At any point in the game, a player holding an Ace can declare a WAAGGH, thus ending the hand but leaving the pot in place for the next round.

Try a skirmish game. A lot less set up and you can play multiple games in one night, or relax and let one game take the entire night.

For those who want a Death Star board/Star Destroyer board:

http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/Sci-Fi.html

You can thank me later

But on a side note, just got another two tie fighters and I am enjoying them

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You could have the bridge and some gun turrets as plastic models. The sort of top level of the ship's outer hull would be the battlemat.

That's still enormous! I like the idea, but I don't see them doing it. It's just too big!

I think if you compromised on the scale it would be doable. Perhaps introduce a "Star Frigate" ship that is smaller than a destroyer. The Bridge unit should be maybe two feet wide. It could be moulded in separate sections.

It is great to see that people have already started to make some of their own items in this direction.

I have played 40k since early 3rd Ed., and have dabbled with Fantasy from time to time, but never got as in to it as 40k. I stopped playing some time in 4th Ed due to the silly rules..and me sucking since I didn't power game. Soon after I got into Flames of War in the back end of 1st Ed. and have played it ever since, since each addition fixes (minor) problems and doesn't create new ones. They have been getting out of my price range but I already have three complete armies (German Mech, Russian Inf/Hvy Tank, Vietnamese inf) so I am cool. I have also bought models just for painting (Perry Napoleonics and Warlord/Empress Zulu War) and have done a number of other games. Force on Force let's you build a dozen armies on the cheap, and thus I just supply minis for my usual opponents. I got back into 40k for a bit in 5th Ed. (Waaargh!) but thought the one game of 6th I played was crap. 7th...not gonna do it (read that in the SNL George H.W. Bush voice, cuz that's how I wrote it.). The thing with 40k is, I still LOVE the story line and some of the olde rmodels. One thing that FoF has allowed me to do is play 40k again using their Tomorrows War rules. It has a few hiccups so far but I am liking it and will probably like it more as time goes on.

Damn y'all are making it hard for me to keep putting off x-wing.

Edit. Also my friend and I are thinking of playing saga with whfb models. I always loved fantasy models, just never cared to play the GW rules. We also have thought about whfb models for Lardies Dux Britanniarum.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You could have the bridge and some gun turrets as plastic models. The sort of top level of the ship's outer hull would be the battlemat.

That's still enormous! I like the idea, but I don't see them doing it. It's just too big!

Play-sheet, Battle-mat, i meant the same thing,you could do it in 3 sections of mats! Campaign battle 1 on the first mat, battle 2 on mat two etcetera

To me it's about how a company treats their customers. Yes, GW has terrible rules and hgh prices but what really gets me is that it's become apparent in the last few years that at BEST they think nothing of their customers or fans and at worse they have active contempt for them.

That's what really turned me away from GW

 Kirasu wrote:
To me it's about how a company treats their customers. Yes, GW has terrible rules and hgh prices but what really gets me is that it's become apparent in the last few years that at BEST they think nothing of their customers or fans and at worse they have active contempt for them.

That's what really turned me away from GW

Same here. I can look over a lot, but I can't look over that.