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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Heh, and that's why their hypno-indoctrination is never going to render them as immune as the Sisters' pure faith.

Indoctriation can be broken. True belief can't be dissuaded. You'd have to use psychic means to turn a Sister.


The Grey Knights have strong faith themselves. The Sisters are similarly indoctrinated, they just are mind wiped to do it. And the Sisters faith hasn't even prevented them from falling to Chaos, the Grey Knights have at least never fallen. There are a couple almost falls like Alaric but nothing that is they turned to Chaos.



Uh, no Sister of Battle has ever fallen. Ever. Not a single one, unless you count a single third party card game.

Alaric fell, and was magically redeemed somehow. But he still fell.


Not one huh? Then what is with Miriael Sabathiel formally of the Order of Our Martyred Lady now a Chaos Champion of Slaanesh?

Alaric "fell" in the same respect he lost his mind and regained himself but never become a follower of Chaos. He never worshiped Khorne, only fought in his arenas because he thought the best way to beat them was at their own game. His biggest transaction was that he accidentally gained the favor of Khorne because in his manipulations of the war lords caused a civil war but he never tried to actually gain favor of Khorne, he only wanted to survive long enough to escape.
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 Envihon wrote:
Nurgle explicitly prevents death, that is his thing after all. Oh sure, you may be a zombie with your guts dragging on the ground but you aren't dead, right?!

When you follow Nurgle, "rotting gutrot of puking parasites' disease contagion" is considered a good thing that makes you more powerful. And even if you somehow die, you become a plaguebearer for all eternity. Nurgle is the only god that grants ALL is followers daemonhood at one level or another.

Mmm... Survival.

Survival = good.

Nurgle = good.
   
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 Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Heh, and that's why their hypno-indoctrination is never going to render them as immune as the Sisters' pure faith.

Indoctriation can be broken. True belief can't be dissuaded. You'd have to use psychic means to turn a Sister.


The Grey Knights have strong faith themselves. The Sisters are similarly indoctrinated, they just are mind wiped to do it. And the Sisters faith hasn't even prevented them from falling to Chaos, the Grey Knights have at least never fallen. There are a couple almost falls like Alaric but nothing that is they turned to Chaos.



Uh, no Sister of Battle has ever fallen. Ever. Not a single one, unless you count a single third party card game.

Alaric fell, and was magically redeemed somehow. But he still fell.


Not one huh? Then what is with Miriael Sabathiel formally of the Order of Our Martyred Lady now a Chaos Champion of Slaanesh?


A character from a third-party company appearing in a third-party game.

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 Psienesis wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Heh, and that's why their hypno-indoctrination is never going to render them as immune as the Sisters' pure faith.

Indoctriation can be broken. True belief can't be dissuaded. You'd have to use psychic means to turn a Sister.


The Grey Knights have strong faith themselves. The Sisters are similarly indoctrinated, they just are mind wiped to do it. And the Sisters faith hasn't even prevented them from falling to Chaos, the Grey Knights have at least never fallen. There are a couple almost falls like Alaric but nothing that is they turned to Chaos.



Uh, no Sister of Battle has ever fallen. Ever. Not a single one, unless you count a single third party card game.

Alaric fell, and was magically redeemed somehow. But he still fell.


Not one huh? Then what is with Miriael Sabathiel formally of the Order of Our Martyred Lady now a Chaos Champion of Slaanesh?


A character from a third-party company appearing in a third-party game.


It was still canonized when they released Tales from the Dark Millennium in Dan Abnett's short story The Invitation so Black Library at least supported the canon presented from the card game.

 
   
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It was still canonized when they released Tales from the Dark Millennium in Dan Abnett's short story The Invitation so Black Library at least supported the canon presented from the card game.


There is no such thing as canon in 40K.

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 Psienesis wrote:
It was still canonized when they released Tales from the Dark Millennium in Dan Abnett's short story The Invitation so Black Library at least supported the canon presented from the card game.


There is no such thing as canon in 40K.


Then what was the point of bringing in that it was a piece of fluff brought in by a third party company? That act alone suggests that there is a standard of fluff people recognize usually coming from either GW, FW or BL respectfully for people to accept it as a standard, I used the word 'canon' to refer to this standard.

 
   
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 Envihon wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
It was still canonized when they released Tales from the Dark Millennium in Dan Abnett's short story The Invitation so Black Library at least supported the canon presented from the card game.


There is no such thing as canon in 40K.


Then what was the point of bringing in that it was a piece of fluff brought in by a third party company? That act alone suggests that there is a standard of fluff people recognize usually coming from either GW, FW or BL respectfully for people to accept it as a standard, I used the word 'canon' to refer to this standard.


Because I am going to deny the existence of that fluff-breaking witch until GK players admit that Alaric is a ticking time bomb waiting to screw over Titan in a rage of khornate bloodshed.



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 Envihon wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
It was still canonized when they released Tales from the Dark Millennium in Dan Abnett's short story The Invitation so Black Library at least supported the canon presented from the card game.


There is no such thing as canon in 40K.


Then what was the point of bringing in that it was a piece of fluff brought in by a third party company? That act alone suggests that there is a standard of fluff people recognize usually coming from either GW, FW or BL respectfully for people to accept it as a standard, I used the word 'canon' to refer to this standard.


Because Tales from the Dark Millennium is a compilation of stories based on the 3rd-party card game I mentioned, published by BL. It is not a collection of original stories, but stories based on the contents of the CCG. Even with Dan Abnett writing about her, he's basing the writing on a third-party product, being basically a writer-for-hire.

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 Furyou Miko wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
It was still canonized when they released Tales from the Dark Millennium in Dan Abnett's short story The Invitation so Black Library at least supported the canon presented from the card game.


There is no such thing as canon in 40K.


Then what was the point of bringing in that it was a piece of fluff brought in by a third party company? That act alone suggests that there is a standard of fluff people recognize usually coming from either GW, FW or BL respectfully for people to accept it as a standard, I used the word 'canon' to refer to this standard.


Because I am going to deny the existence of that fluff-breaking witch until GK players admit that Alaric is a ticking time bomb waiting to screw over Titan in a rage of khornate bloodshed.


As far as Alaric is concerned, they resolved it in Hammer of Daemons. There is a cost to what Alaric did and he eventually confessed it as well but his fate as of right now was left undecided since the story concludes before we ever find out what happened to him and from The Emperor's Gift we found out that the Grey Knights can and will make those of their order psychic blanks for certain transgressions and have them ferry the dead to the Dead Fields. For all we know, that ferryman in The Emperor's Gift might be Alaric but even Alaric questions what happened to him and asks if he would continue to be a true Grey Knight. To me that doesn't show a fall of Chaos but a non-Mary Sue character that has to deal a difficult situation and just doesn't superman himself out of it. He may not have fallen to Chaos but he did questionable, heretical things to which he has to pay for, something that may have ended his knighthood. We don't know right now and Counter has yet weighed in on the fate of Alaric.

Alaric never became a Chaos follower or worshiper of Khorne, he merely got lost in a bezerking bloodlust which is something that every Space Marine is susceptible to happen well, anyone really because it is in a fit of emotion that one does it in. BA and SW use it as a strategy but some consider them to be loyalistic Khorne worshipers anyway but for the sake of argument, to use the bloodlust doesn't make him an agent of Chaos. The Battle Sister falling was a true blue worshipping disciple of Slaanesh.

As far as the third party source, saying things like that you are implying that there is certain fluff that is valid and certain fluff that is not valid almost like fan fiction suggesting that there is such a standard that would be "like canon". To say that anything from a third party is not valid because it is a third party source but then saying that there is no such thing as canon in a piece of fiction is essentially contradictory. If there is no canon then everyone's version, especially sources that are supported from the primary source is valid but even then BL supported the fluff that the card game brought in. As much as I don't like it, this also makes things like C.S. Goto's stuff for the Blood Ravens valid fluff. To say the third parties that GW hires to produce things that the company doesn't make like video games and card games can not make valid fluff being a third party diminishes anything that happens out of the table top when Warhammer 40k has shown to be able to be on different mediums. To say to someone who just reads the books and plays the video games that their view on the fluff is invalid wrongly alienates people from ever even possibly getting into the table top or more of the fluff.

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As far as the third party source, saying things like that you are implying that there is certain fluff that is valid and certain fluff that is not valid almost like fan fiction suggesting that there is such a standard that would be "like canon".


Once you start including third-party sources into what is and is not "acceptable", you render fan-fiction as valid as a Codex. And, I give not a feth what some third-party book says, there are no Sisters who have ever willingly fallen to Chaos. Sabathiel is great as a character in some what-if comic book or some fan-wankery, but that's it.

To say to someone who just reads the books and plays the video games that their view on the fluff is invalid wrongly alienates people from ever even possibly getting into the table top or more of the fluff.


I don't care if they ever get into the table-top game itself. It's an absolutely terrible game to play, and the rules could have been better written by a pack of marmosets on a week-long PCP bender.

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 Psienesis wrote:

As far as the third party source, saying things like that you are implying that there is certain fluff that is valid and certain fluff that is not valid almost like fan fiction suggesting that there is such a standard that would be "like canon".


Once you start including third-party sources into what is and is not "acceptable", you render fan-fiction as valid as a Codex. And, I give not a feth what some third-party book says, there are no Sisters who have ever willingly fallen to Chaos. Sabathiel is great as a character in some what-if comic book or some fan-wankery, but that's it.

To say to someone who just reads the books and plays the video games that their view on the fluff is invalid wrongly alienates people from ever even possibly getting into the table top or more of the fluff.


I don't care if they ever get into the table-top game itself. It's an absolutely terrible game to play, and the rules could have been better written by a pack of marmosets on a week-long PCP bender.


So I am guessing that you consider everything from the Dawn of War series, Space Marine, Kill Team, Space Hulk (video game not the old board game), Conquest (the new card game), Dark Heresy, Deathwatch (the rpg) and Eternal Crusade to be fething gak even if BL goes and tries to bring it in as valid fluff? What is your standard of which is valid fluff and which is not? I understand the want of quality control especially with some of the stuff I have come across like wanting to burn Goto's Blood Raven Omnibus but just to dismiss everything on that basis seems to be kind of, close minded?

 
   
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Well, I certainly dismiss Dark Heresy as fething gak, because it flat-out contradicts the codex at every fricken turn.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, I certainly dismiss Dark Heresy as fething gak, because it flat-out contradicts the codex at every fricken turn.


It is a good game though. But goodness the SoB stuff was intriguing along with their power armour Behold movie marines!

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It's not a good game. It's a passable game that you can do some fun stuff with, and is the only currently playable offering in the realm of 40k PnP RPGs.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's not a good game. It's a passable game that you can do some fun stuff with, and is the only currently playable offering in the realm of 40k PnP RPGs.


Why ya' gotta stomp on my fun

In all seriousness, yeah you are right. It's chunky and clunky although I wouldn't quite say it's the only playable one. Pathfinder and DnD 3.5 are both absolutely horrendous and still playable after all

But yeah, the witch Sister is rather silly and doesn't quite work with the codex fluff. If a Sister should ever fall, it really should be mentioned in the codex first. I mean, you could consider the claim none have fallen to be propoganda but that can be said for the SoB as well (CHAOS propoganda that is )

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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, I certainly dismiss Dark Heresy as fething gak, because it flat-out contradicts the codex at every fricken turn.


Alright, so then we have established at least one thing, codices provide the most accurate fluff as concerned about background but at the same time outside sources also have the ability to really repair bad codex writing like what the audio drama Mortarion's Heart did for Kaldor Draigo and taking him from Mary Sue territory to turning him into a fleshed out, humanized character with some major flaws thus making that particular story better. Albeit this was an official audio drama from BL but it is an example.

As a GK player, the story of Alaric succumbing to a bloodlust because he was captured and forced to fight in gladiatorial games wasn't fluff breaking but what would happen to a GK if he was stripped of everything that made him a GK. Alaric never did anything that broke the fluff of the GK. He never turned and said "You know, feth the Emperor and everything he stands for, Khorne is the one true god!". All he did was merely survive and eventually make it back but at a cost. That is good story telling and why most old Daemon Hunter players and current GK players still herald the GK omnibus as really good vs. the Mary Sue of Kaldor Draigo being super GK pwning the warp as fething gak despite the latter coming from the Codex.

 
   
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Ultimately, I think the only real answer to "What is most canon" in 40k is "What did I read first?"

In my case, it was Sanctuary 101 and the codex, so those are always going to be the most true interpretation of the Sisters to me.

Someone who came to the Sisters through Dark Heresy's Inquisitor's Handbook would probably think that the tabletop/codex Sisters are boring and watered down - "What do you mean they don't get to cast spells?"



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 Envihon wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:

As far as the third party source, saying things like that you are implying that there is certain fluff that is valid and certain fluff that is not valid almost like fan fiction suggesting that there is such a standard that would be "like canon".


Once you start including third-party sources into what is and is not "acceptable", you render fan-fiction as valid as a Codex. And, I give not a feth what some third-party book says, there are no Sisters who have ever willingly fallen to Chaos. Sabathiel is great as a character in some what-if comic book or some fan-wankery, but that's it.

To say to someone who just reads the books and plays the video games that their view on the fluff is invalid wrongly alienates people from ever even possibly getting into the table top or more of the fluff.


I don't care if they ever get into the table-top game itself. It's an absolutely terrible game to play, and the rules could have been better written by a pack of marmosets on a week-long PCP bender.


So I am guessing that you consider everything from the Dawn of War series, Space Marine, Kill Team, Space Hulk (video game not the old board game), Conquest (the new card game), Dark Heresy, Deathwatch (the rpg) and Eternal Crusade to be fething gak even if BL goes and tries to bring it in as valid fluff? What is your standard of which is valid fluff and which is not? I understand the want of quality control especially with some of the stuff I have come across like wanting to burn Goto's Blood Raven Omnibus but just to dismiss everything on that basis seems to be kind of, close minded?


Don't worry, space marine isn't canon.

But I would add a lot of the FFG fluff to that list. It's well written, but some of it directly contradicts ancient fluff that has been around forever and not changed since. Sure it'd make much more sense if the Imperium had billions of worlds, but it's always repeated at the start of anything published by the Black Library that the Imperium holds a million planets.

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What about Alpha Legion? Using Chaos to save the Imperium? That kinda stuff?

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Why is it bad if Space Marine was canon? It's been awhile since I played it but it wasn't bad for what it was. Not spectacular good either, just pulp 40k fiction.

 
   
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 Envihon wrote:
Why is it bad if Space Marine was canon? It's been awhile since I played it but it wasn't bad for what it was. Not spectacular good either, just pulp 40k fiction.


Cause for one, beating up a daemon prince in free-fall is just silly, and secondly that'd mean Forgeworld Graia somehow recovered from being completely obliterated by Tyranids, and that Sicarus died at some point despite us knowing quite well that he's very much alive.

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 Envihon wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:

As far as the third party source, saying things like that you are implying that there is certain fluff that is valid and certain fluff that is not valid almost like fan fiction suggesting that there is such a standard that would be "like canon".


Once you start including third-party sources into what is and is not "acceptable", you render fan-fiction as valid as a Codex. And, I give not a feth what some third-party book says, there are no Sisters who have ever willingly fallen to Chaos. Sabathiel is great as a character in some what-if comic book or some fan-wankery, but that's it.

To say to someone who just reads the books and plays the video games that their view on the fluff is invalid wrongly alienates people from ever even possibly getting into the table top or more of the fluff.


I don't care if they ever get into the table-top game itself. It's an absolutely terrible game to play, and the rules could have been better written by a pack of marmosets on a week-long PCP bender.


So I am guessing that you consider everything from the Dawn of War series, Space Marine, Kill Team, Space Hulk (video game not the old board game), Conquest (the new card game), Dark Heresy, Deathwatch (the rpg) and Eternal Crusade to be fething gak even if BL goes and tries to bring it in as valid fluff? What is your standard of which is valid fluff and which is not? I understand the want of quality control especially with some of the stuff I have come across like wanting to burn Goto's Blood Raven Omnibus but just to dismiss everything on that basis seems to be kind of, close minded?


Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.

Dark Heresy *is* gak, and I've been running games in it for 5 years now. That's why, if I quote something from it, I will always note that it's being quoted out of DH (or DW, BC, OW, or RT-RPG, as opposed to RT-Original-40K)... because there is some seriously-naff BS in the various 40K RPGs. If I took a couple of months, and all of their published books, I could probably hammer an actually-balanced game out of what FFG has published... but, on its own, and not taking any of the other 40K RPGs into account, Dark Heresy is some seriously broken stuff.

I definitely don't include Space Marine as a "canon" entry, as the ranks given for various characters don't line up with pre-existing canon for the era. It's "alternative timeline" sort of stuff.

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Ah, well that is what I get for not paying too closely to the storyline of Space Marine itself. A Forge World invaded by orks, kill them, gothcha and oh look the real enemy turns out to be CSM, what a big surprise! Kill 'em, gotcha and that is all I really took from that game. The experience to go around killing like a space marine was my main appeal to that game.

And that first quote is, ironically, from the Dawn of War series if I remember correctly. The fething Librarian couldn't say it enough times when I selected him.

 
   
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 Envihon wrote:
Why is it bad if Space Marine was canon? It's been awhile since I played it but it wasn't bad for what it was. Not spectacular good either, just pulp 40k fiction.


The one individual, with the occasional assistance of two SM, an Inquisitor, and a couple of undermanned guardsmen, manages to butcher his way through droves upon droves of orks, dozens of nobz, slaughter an Ork Warboss supported by dozens of orks, security system weapons, many bloodletters, many, possibly, well trained cultists, and a couple dozen CSM even in hordes, with some being obviously mighty individuals, all culminated in a fight against a recently become daemon prince psychic sorcerer lord in terminator armour in free-fall through warpyjuice and bests the daemon prince before returning without being affected at all. Couple that with the fact that, if memory serves me, it was claimed to be alternate universe/non-cannon because he was a commander for a company that currently has a commander and the fact that the SM almost feels more like a Khornate fighter than anything else with the recovery mechanic and there is a reason to not wish it to be too canon. Doesn't help the planet shouldn't exist anymore.


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 Envihon wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:

As far as the third party source, saying things like that you are implying that there is certain fluff that is valid and certain fluff that is not valid almost like fan fiction suggesting that there is such a standard that would be "like canon".


Once you start including third-party sources into what is and is not "acceptable", you render fan-fiction as valid as a Codex. And, I give not a feth what some third-party book says, there are no Sisters who have ever willingly fallen to Chaos. Sabathiel is great as a character in some what-if comic book or some fan-wankery, but that's it.

To say to someone who just reads the books and plays the video games that their view on the fluff is invalid wrongly alienates people from ever even possibly getting into the table top or more of the fluff.


I don't care if they ever get into the table-top game itself. It's an absolutely terrible game to play, and the rules could have been better written by a pack of marmosets on a week-long PCP bender.


So I am guessing that you consider everything from the Dawn of War series, Space Marine, Kill Team, Space Hulk (video game not the old board game), Conquest (the new card game), Dark Heresy, Deathwatch (the rpg) and Eternal Crusade to be fething gak even if BL goes and tries to bring it in as valid fluff? What is your standard of which is valid fluff and which is not? I understand the want of quality control especially with some of the stuff I have come across like wanting to burn Goto's Blood Raven Omnibus but just to dismiss everything on that basis seems to be kind of, close minded?


Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.

Dark Heresy *is* gak, and I've been running games in it for 5 years now. That's why, if I quote something from it, I will always note that it's being quoted out of DH (or DW, BC, OW, or RT-RPG, as opposed to RT-Original-40K)... because there is some seriously-naff BS in the various 40K RPGs. If I took a couple of months, and all of their published books, I could probably hammer an actually-balanced game out of what FFG has published... but, on its own, and not taking any of the other 40K RPGs into account, Dark Heresy is some seriously broken stuff.

I definitely don't include Space Marine as a "canon" entry, as the ranks given for various characters don't line up with pre-existing canon for the era. It's "alternative timeline" sort of stuff.


I've always wanted to play them but something always goes wrong In all seriousness, some of the expansions make it even worse. The SoB one is a particular fluff disaster while Escalation is a ridiculous broken mess of balance that, arguably, only functions more efficiently than the actual wargame itself is through a combination of work by the GM, players holding back, and the fact that the game isn't actually competitive.

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Chaos is just the possibility for unlimited freedom and development of your own personality. For most people unlimited uncontrolled freedom is as if you're driving a bike for the first time in your life and emidiately reach 150+ kmp/h speed. At first you feel like you're allmighty and everything's possible but than you loose controle and your bike goes WRRRRZZZZHHHHH and you break all your bones and leave your entrails along the road.

Surprisingly pleasing description :3
   
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 Envihon wrote:
Ah, well that is what I get for not paying too closely to the storyline of Space Marine itself. A Forge World invaded by orks, kill them, gothcha and oh look the real enemy turns out to be CSM, what a big surprise! Kill 'em, gotcha and that is all I really took from that game. The experience to go around killing like a space marine was my main appeal to that game.

And that first quote is, ironically, from the Dawn of War series if I remember correctly. The fething Librarian couldn't say it enough times when I selected him.


It is a quote from Warhammer 40K, it is not original to DoW.

It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. 
   
 
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