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 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
If Dark Sphere can knock their extra 20% off as well.. I think I might get three and restart Space Wolves.... again.

That'd put you at about 57% of retail. Not bad. (Not counting book, campaign or SC).

mikhaila wrote:A few bits from GW to me:

-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.

Good to hear.

pretre wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I corrected that for you. Previous starters were worth it in varying degrees if you wanted to start one of the two contained armies and the second one frequently ended up as a starter for someone else's army hooking two people with one kit. At this price where you get the same sculpts you can already buy and two plastic monopose starter quality characters "for free", I don't think it'll hook many players.

Yeah, it's a lot more of a discount than that. It's a 30% discount not counting the two characters, the rulebook or the campaign book.

If Mikhaila's news turns out to be true then I don't have a problem with this set. I still wouldn't buy it personally but if someone doesn't want the extra stuff and it isn't replacing the starter then there is no issue. The SW character does look nice though as a Deathwatch Character.

I do kinda like the idea of rotating campaign boxes that give a small starter force for two different factions. Still wish they'd offer more though.

 warboss wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:


No you didn't. I meant what I said, if the contents appeal to you it's a decent value set. Whether that's some or all the contents is obviously going to vary by individual, and you're being weirdly confrontational to make a prosaic sort of point. I remember why I backed off from Dakka for a while now!

You're taking a simple meme comment way too seriously. It wasn't meant to offend but you chose to take offense. If a joke makes you back off of dakka, you should likely back off the internet instead as it'll seem like a much more caustic place than it actually is without common sense and/or a sense of humor.

I didn't say it offended me but it's the kind of tiresome non-joke I prefer to do without, and pretty typical forum nitpicking. You're taking my reaction too seriously. You could kind of say that about anything. Prosaic, again. When "feth off from the internet" is your defense that's generally a bad sign :(

I'm just slightly shocked that it's reasonably priced - for GW. I was honestly expecting +50% to the price, considering that it doesn't have monopose models.

Seems to be a good set for SW players, although there's a zillion Marine/Termi models around if you need cheap sloggaz. Ork side is slightly boring, but Nobz have plenty of bits for conversions and extra Grotz can be used with Big Gunz as crew.

Sorry to post that request here but, I'm interested in getting the Ork part of that box. Since I live in Hawai'i (Big Island), it's not easy to find other people around me to sell them the Wolves.
Maybe I can find someone here on Dakka that would like to split the box with me

For me, the general concept of GW bundling some stuff, adding some narrative, and offering a decent discount, is a very welcome development. I rarely get very excited about new releases due to the associated costs. But this is pretty cool.

And the pendulum swings for me once more. At £75, I figure it breaks down at £10 for the books, and £65 for the models. I'd be splitting it with an Ork player, and it works out at £32.50 for the SW contingent. In other words, for 5 quid more than the box of Terminators, I get 10 PA SW (you can never have too many given the utility of that set) and an exclusive and rather cool Wolf Lord. Time to get negotiating, maybe.

 Paradigm wrote:
And the pendulum swings for me once more. At £75, I figure it breaks down at £10 for the books, and £65 for the models. I'd be splitting it with an Ork player, and it works out at £32.50 for the SW contingent. In other words, for 5 quid more than the box of Terminators, I get 10 PA SW (you can never have too many given the utility of that set) and an exclusive and rather cool Wolf Lord. Time to get negotiating, maybe.

To sum up my current opinion, I turn to the great Al Pacino in Godfather III:

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

Do my teeth seem sharper? And why do I suddenly have the urge to howl...

 mikhaila wrote:
A few bits from GW to me:

-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.

I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.

I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.

Blah, I suck at quoting.

I meant to say by saying "if it's LE I'll buy 2" you just answered your question as to why they would make it limited run. Sometimes you "limit" it to what you expect to sell in a 2-3 month period anyway, and the fear of it going away causes people to buy more than they would.

Boom. Marketing.

 squall018 wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
A few bits from GW to me:

-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.

I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.

I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.

Make it a one-off for "this" campaign, then have another one-off for the next set of two books, and then the next, and then the next...

It gives you something that can be added on to the big box purchase and get more cash from new players and veterans alike who decide to switch codex.

Yeah, campaign boxsets are a good thing. If they are re-releasing DV they'll have a "starter" but the current campaign alongside it would be awesome for either an alternative starter or a way for players to split and expand armies. I think it's a great idea. And the LE figure makes it worth grabbing.

Krom datasheet and wolf guard formation, from what I can see.

Space wolf armory page there as well.

 insaniak wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.

That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.

Marbo was also a blatant rip off of something well known outside GW. Every other SC out there is fairly unique and connected to 40k - I don't look at anything and see any themes beyond what it already had. Marbo...well, his name was an anagram for crying out loud.

Yeah, they just had a fairly expensive court case where GW designers and legal people insisted (with perfectly straight faces) that all of their designs come entirely out of their designer's heads with no outside influence.

Having 'Sly Marbo' in their miniature collection was just asking for trouble in light of that claim...


The existing Space Wolf characters don't have a similar problem. Clearly vikings were GW's idea.

More the fact that Space Vikings with Wolf theme was their idea and they represent it. The whole Viking theme is a historical one rather than a pop culture one to be honest - you can't really say it's copyrighted....however 'Marbo' was on thin ice.

Also, I like the layouts of the new stuff. Really, I do. The Orks look to be a letdown but the Wolves could be useful for a small allied contingent...

 squall018 wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
A few bits from GW to me:

-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.

I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.

I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.

A couple of reasons. First is packaging. For this product they have the box and campaign book to print up in xxx quantity. I assume the rulebook is the same as for DV so it's not an extra print job. Then when the box and printing comes in they package up the product and ship it out. To make it an ongoing product they have to either commit to more up front, or commit to a re-order of the box and printing. They've probably estimated they can sell so many, and then instead of re-doing that set, might do better with another mix of models. I'm hoping that's the case and we see more of these packs.

GW seems to really be keeping their costs down right now, and part of that is going to be how they instruct studio and packaging managers to look at things. Deciding on a one-off product means they can calculate expenses/profit easier. And they don't expend cashflow on keeping extra inventory of a product around.

I do expect that if it does well, we'll see more.

It probably helps that they only are just repacking stuff.

 Malthor wrote:


Orks



Space Wolves



In the Space Wolves picture it says on the bottom that the box indeed contains a small rulebook as well as a campaign supplement.

The only thing I am seeing that doesn't look like an existing model is the Warboss himself and the Spacewolf in the top left corner, Kind of disappointing if you ask me. I usually look forward to the unique models that come with the starters, I'll still buy the box as it's a comparatively cheap source of models I'll use for armies I already have.

Is it just me, or are there no special weapons for the marines?

They come on the sprue, they just didn't put any on them.

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I highly doubt Canis Wolfborn goes away, since he has a model.

Captain Al'rahem, Zogrod Wartsnagga, Sly Marbo and probably someone I'm forgetting would like a word with you.

Sergeant Naaman and Doom Rider also come to mind.

Schaeffer, Chenkov, Ibram Gaunt, Cruella the Vile, salamanders chaplain xavier and probably a few more.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I highly doubt Canis Wolfborn goes away, since he has a model.

Captain Al'rahem, Zogrod Wartsnagga, Sly Marbo and probably someone I'm forgetting would like a word with you.

Doomrider

I think the point has been made...

 Red Corsair wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I highly doubt Canis Wolfborn goes away, since he has a model.

Captain Al'rahem, Zogrod Wartsnagga, Sly Marbo and probably someone I'm forgetting would like a word with you.

Sergeant Naaman and Doom Rider also come to mind.

Schaeffer, Chenkov, Ibram Gaunt, Cruella the Vile, salamanders chaplain xavier and probably a few more.

Fair enough!

It seemed like the recent trend has been, if it has a model, it's stayed in the book.

 pretre wrote:
I think the point has been made...

Maybe, but it's still a fun exercise looking back.


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 Sasori wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I highly doubt Canis Wolfborn goes away, since he has a model.

Captain Al'rahem, Zogrod Wartsnagga, Sly Marbo and probably someone I'm forgetting would like a word with you.

Sergeant Naaman and Doom Rider also come to mind.

Schaeffer, Chenkov, Ibram Gaunt, Cruella the Vile, salamanders chaplain xavier and probably a few more.

Fair enough!

It seemed like the recent trend has been, if it has a model, it's stayed in the book.

this is just a guess, but I imagine that unless a model is iconic like calgar or sells like hot cakes, that it's better business to scrap the molds on some of these guys. Some may still be for sale but I am guessing its old stock.

Personally I'll probably end up buying this and selling on the orc parts/painting them up for my army and then selling on the entire force (I was planning on getting rid of it) and keeping the wolves for the same reason that others have said more PA SW won't go amiss, especially as I need parts to convert 30k stuff at the moment, plus Krom seems to have nearly identical war gear to Bran so I think so converting will probably be in order

Young Logan

 Red Corsair wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I think the point has been made...

Maybe, but it's still a fun exercise looking back.


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 Sasori wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I highly doubt Canis Wolfborn goes away, since he has a model.

Captain Al'rahem, Zogrod Wartsnagga, Sly Marbo and probably someone I'm forgetting would like a word with you.

Sergeant Naaman and Doom Rider also come to mind.

Schaeffer, Chenkov, Ibram Gaunt, Cruella the Vile, salamanders chaplain xavier and probably a few more.

Fair enough!

It seemed like the recent trend has been, if it has a model, it's stayed in the book.

this is just a guess, but I imagine that unless a model is iconic like calgar or sells like hot cakes, that it's better business to scrap the molds on some of these guys. Some may still be for sale but I am guessing its old stock.

Perhaps, bust most of those models listed were very Old, from 3rd Edition right? Have we seen anything with a model that was made in 4th to present be removed?

 mikhaila wrote:

 squall018 wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
A few bits from GW to me:

-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.

I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.

I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.

A couple of reasons. First is packaging. For this product they have the box and campaign book to print up in xxx quantity. I assume the rulebook is the same as for DV so it's not an extra print job. Then when the box and printing comes in they package up the product and ship it out. To make it an ongoing product they have to either commit to more up front, or commit to a re-order of the box and printing. They've probably estimated they can sell so many, and then instead of re-doing that set, might do better with another mix of models. I'm hoping that's the case and we see more of these packs.

GW seems to really be keeping their costs down right now, and part of that is going to be how they instruct studio and packaging managers to look at things. Deciding on a one-off product means they can calculate expenses/profit easier. And they don't expend cashflow on keeping extra inventory of a product around.

I do expect that if it does well, we'll see more.

Or print boxes to sell this as a shiney limited set initially, but once it's sold out they could carry on with it as a webstore only version as a plain brown box/sprue only set

I'm guessing there will be a ltd edition Rune Priest or Wierdboy for the ltd edition copies..That is of course if GW feels generous.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I'm guessing there will be a ltd edition Rune Priest or Wierdboy for the ltd edition copies..That is of course if GW feels generous.

This is the limited edition. Just one print run, apparently.