New 7th Ed Sanctus Reach Campaign boxset - Stormclaw - new pics page 9

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**adamsouza**

prowla wrote:
Obviously this is something that can happen when doing digital sculpting - it's very easy to grab an existing model and modify it a bit - but still feels cheap, somehow!

They could have at least mirrored the image so the Gun and Powerclaw would be on the opposite hands.

**Medium of Death**

Is part of Grukk's background that he was Bad Moons but became a Goff under Ghaz? Hence the leaked alternate paint job?

Really liking the sculpt of that new Space Wolf character.

**MasterSlowPoke**

I think you can paint any model any way you want, really.

**PhillyT**

Paradigm wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:

I think this kit is leaning toward- Kill the Xenos idea lol. Saying that though, Killa Kans should give Wolf Guard a run for their money. Nobz should be able to take the Blood Claws/Grey Hunters no worries, Grotz are like the cultists from DV- cannon fodder. For those of you complaining that they should've used a different army from SM. 40K is pretty much all about Humanity's struggle against the alien, the mutant, the heretic. Makes sense to have the Emperor's Finest in each edition.

That is the best match up, of course, but when you consider things a little more tactically, I think the wolves massively have the edge. The Wolf Guard can take an AC or CML, and the GH can take dual Plasmas (and a pistol) so the Kans will get shot to bits. The Grots will be shot down as soon as some bolters get in range, and offer very little in return; they're cannon fodder, but without anything to really protect. The Nobs are no harder to kill than 10 boyz, and the CML will ID them. I think the Wolves have it here, especially given the options available to them; the Orks only get choice on the Nobs (CC or different CC) and the Kans (shooty-killy or killy-shooty), while the Wolf Guard can GH (which can be built as more Wolf Guard if you fancy a super-Elite army) can be kitted out to take on almost anything with ease.

In terms of utility, SW win as well, everyone needs more PA SW and Termies. Orks really got the raw end of the deal here, I think.

Nobz with heavy armor do alright against the marines. And really, if you layer them with all the klaws they have in the kit, they will do fine along with the kans since the only thing in the Marine side that can stop those two units is the terminators.

**Medium of Death**

Well obviously there is that, but I thought that perhaps GW would expand on the character and it could be related as to why Grukk is in Bad Moons and then Goff colours.

It could simply be an illustration of that (the concept that Grukk can be a Warboss of any kind), although I hardly think people need to be explicitly told that they can diverge from the fluff colour schemes.

**Kanluwen**

Medium of Death wrote:
Is part of Grukk's background that he was Bad Moons but became a Goff under Ghaz? Hence the leaked alternate paint job?

The "leaked alternate paint job" was simply using the same model as Warboss Snazzdakka for a scenario.

**balsak_da_mighty**

It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!

**Breotan**

prowla wrote:
Laughs, Grukk seems to be very much a digitally recycled AOBR Warboss. The arms, legs and torso are almost straight out of AOBR model, the gun and klaw have seen only small changes.

Yet more money I won't be spending this year. With all the new Ork stuff I thought this might bust my budget. Thanks, GW, for making stuff I don't need and thus won't have to spend money on.

**Ravenous D**

balsak_da_mighty wrote:
It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!

That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.

**AesSedai**

Are Krom's rules known yet?

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Are Krom's rules known yet?

**plastictrees**

Ravenous D wrote:
balsak_da_mighty wrote:
It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!

That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.

Cutting corners from what? The existing campaign sets that included unique multi-pose figures at a discount? Because those never existed.
It would be nice if people could shift out of auto-moan occaisonally.

**Jehan-reznor**

16000 yen in Japan? 75pounds is 13000yen and 100euro is around 14000 yen, i am dissapoint. :(

**Achaylus72**

I have been speaking to some contacts and what I have been told is that the Space Wolves v Space Orks is NOT the STARTER SET, but a BOXED SET. DARK VENGEANCE II will still be the STARTER SET with BLOOD ANGELS v SPACE ORKS.

No I ain't screaming with the upper case, just highlighting.

But then..........

**Eldarain**

Didn't White Dwarf state that Dark Vengeance would be staying the same with the only change being the new mini rulebook being added?

I'm hopeful we see this release as the first of many. As barrier of entry has become a big problem.

A rotating series of boxed sets featuring different armies at a solid discount is a decision worth congratulating for a change.

**insaniak**

Eldarain wrote:
Didn't White Dwarf state that Dark Vengeance would be staying the same with the only change being the new mini rulebook being added?.

Yes. Mikhaila also mentioned it a couple of pages back, following discussions with GW people about this set.

**balsak_da_mighty**

plastictrees wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
balsak_da_mighty wrote:
It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!

That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.

Cutting corners from what? The existing campaign sets that included unique multi-pose figures at a discount? Because those never existed.
It would be nice if people could shift out of auto-moan occaisonally.

The fact that its the AOBR Warboss with a bit different pose. Was hoping for some new minis, not repackaged one. Sure its a deal, but what makes me want to buy it? Nothing at this point.

But hey I am just moaning, but so are you about us "Moaners".

**Achaylus72**

What I have been told on this is that from 2014 GW will release its new editions every 4 years, within that time every two years they will bring out their Dark Vengeance series, the next is Dark Vengeance II with Blood Angels v Orks.

What we are getting as far as a Space Wolves v Orks is concerned is not a stater set but an apocalypse box set release, rumours has it that the box set will contain 3 Ork Killa Kans making an Apocalypse release.

But then.....

**wana10**

I remember 'eavy metal having a special conversion article where they took the AOBR warboss and tarted it up. It turned out looking a lot like this Grukk...but better. Let me see if I can dig up a picture...

edit* found it here on dakka

**pretre**

Achaylus72 wrote:
I have been speaking to some contacts and

You mean reading BOLS? Tell you what, I'll bet you a nickel your contacts are full of it.

**kazza1979**

So what codecs are coming out in order?

**pretre**

kazza1979 wrote:
So what codecs are coming out in order?

Check the stickies at the top f the sub forum for the roundup.

**plastictrees**

pretre wrote:
Achaylus72 wrote:
I have been speaking to some contacts and

You mean reading BOLS? Tell you what, I'll bet you a nickel your contacts are full of it.

You're flinging nickels around pretty recklessly!

A new starter would be great but I'm not holding my breath.

**pretre**

I'm practicing rumor monger tactics. If I make enough bets, I'm bound to be right eventually!

**plastictrees**

Spoiler:

That's right, by identifying you as a moaner, I'm perpetuating the moan cycle! When will it end!!

As far as I'm aware the AoBR boss is no longer available at retail. I'm not going to claim it's the most exciting mini in the world but it's still a solid warboss even if you already own a similar one.
I don't see what people think this is preventing them from having. It's campaign support at a discount, it's a new avenue for 40k.

**MajorWesJanson**

Ravenous D wrote:
higher prices.

Not something you can use this regular complaint on. The box set gives you about $218 worth of multipart models alone for $125, and that is not counting the Mini-rulebook which is worth about $20-$30. This thing may not have an optimum loadout of models, but it is about a 50% discount on buying them individually, assuming they released the two characters individually.

**Brother Payne**

I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and

ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.

Yes the ork army (in particular) is crap, the special characters and the rules make up for it imo. And plus - if you can't use the ork stuff in your collection your doing Orks wrong - even if it's just to dump the kanz in your bits box

**H.B.M.C.**

If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

**Brother Payne**

Yeah that's true - the Gretchin > Boyz decision was a bad one

**ashikenshin**

Gretchin for scratch built mek gunz?

**pretre**

ashikenshin wrote:
Gretchin for scratch built mek gunz?

Exactly. 3 kans plus 10 grots is 3 Mek guns.