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 PhillyT wrote:

Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.

Take your entire 40k collection from multiple armies and throw it into a padded empty Battlefoam 720XL case. Blindfold yourself and reach in to pull out 50 random miniatures. Congrats, you can make an unbound army out of it some of it. Unfortunately, the anything goes Unbound "rules" (and I put that in quotes because throwing away almost all the rules shouldn't count as a rule IMO) can be used to justify almost anything so they don't reasonably justify anything. That said... the space wolf lists possible are nice with that set. Terminators are solid with lots of variable bits and the power armor squads can make two small or one large squad of grey hunters since BC and GH use the same sprues. All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.

 warboss wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.

Take your entire 40k collection from multiple armies and throw it into a padded empty Battlefoam 720XL case. Blindfold yourself and reach in to pull out 50 random miniatures. Congrats, you can make an unbound army out of it some of it. Unfortunately, the anything goes Unbound "rules" (and I put that in quotes because throwing away almost all the rules shouldn't count as a rule IMO) can be used to justify almost anything so they don't reasonably justify anything. That said... the space wolf lists possible are nice with that set. Terminators are solid with lots of variable bits and the power armor squads can make two small or one large squad of grey hunters since BC and GH use the same sprues. All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.

The product details for Stormclaw says that there are Datasheets included within the campaign book for using the components of the game without needing to go Unbound.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Won't be buying it (Dark Angels and Space Wolves not exactly best buds) but the models look nice.

As someone who plays both, it's always special when the Sons of the Lion and the Wolf take to the field together. There will always be a duel between the two commanders before the game (although with a DA Libby vs a tooled up Wolf Lord, it can be a little one-sided. Rune/Wolf priests make it a more even fight) and each side strives to outdo their brothers in feats of battle. The narrative forges itself (and that's said without a hint of sarcasm).

 warboss wrote:
All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.

Agreed. The Space Wolf half of that box is a perfect ally force. HQ, 10 Grey Hunters and some Terminators if you want them. Good stuff all around.

The ork half, not so much.

 ashikenshin wrote:
Gretchin for scratch built mek gunz?

Or perhaps as krew for some of CNC Workshop's nice new Goblin Gunz?

Valete,

JohnS

Any ideas on the point values of the armies included based on what we know? I know the characters would be impossible to know, but I can't imagine they would uber-powerful...

KTG17 wrote:
Any ideas on the point values of the armies included based on what we know? I know the characters would be impossible to know, but I can't imagine they would uber-powerful...

Assuming nothing funky, and using 5e codex costs, SW is about 450, rounding since we can't tell if someone has Mark of the Wulfen, etc, and there appears to be 2 entries for the Wolf Guard we can't make out yet in the WD.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah but there's a reason why a lot of GW's metal models were the same model done over and over again with slight variations (their Necromunda range is a wonderful example of this). That's just the norm for these sorts of metal models (and they were metal when originally created). For a plastic one though... I mean you've got to make a new expensive mould, why remake essentially the same model?

From what I understand, a fair bit of the cost is actually in designing a CAD model that avoids undercuts.

Also - if the characters are limited, that's less time to recoup the costs, so any savings are welcome.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.

Take your entire 40k collection from multiple armies and throw it into a padded empty Battlefoam 720XL case. Blindfold yourself and reach in to pull out 50 random miniatures. Congrats, you can make an unbound army out of it some of it. Unfortunately, the anything goes Unbound "rules" (and I put that in quotes because throwing away almost all the rules shouldn't count as a rule IMO) can be used to justify almost anything so they don't reasonably justify anything. That said... the space wolf lists possible are nice with that set. Terminators are solid with lots of variable bits and the power armor squads can make two small or one large squad of grey hunters since BC and GH use the same sprues. All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.

The product details for Stormclaw says that there are Datasheets included within the campaign book for using the components of the game without needing to go Unbound.

Spoiler:

I don't doubt it (even if you didn't have the pic) as apoc style datasheets seem to be the GW thing recently. I'm just not convinced that going to a much more open army building system will work for a game as venerable as 40k without a complete 3rd edition style overhaul/rebalancing. Heck, after buying $50 rapid fire codex hardcovers for the past two years I'm not sure I'd want to invalidate them either. I just wish that they would have stuck to the old FOC instead of opening things up without any regard for how it would be used. That isn't here or there though regarding this boxed set though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but there's a reason why a lot of GW's metal models were the same model done over and over again with slight variations (their Necromunda range is a wonderful example of this). That's just the norm for these sorts of metal models (and they were metal when originally created). For a plastic one though... I mean you've got to make a new expensive mould, why remake essentially the same model?

Well even a lot of GW's plastic range is the same thing of only a few poses based off a few models and then variants are simply different details sculpted on to the same base model. Probably because actually designing the model is of some considerable cost of money and/or time.

So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.

 chris13f wrote:
So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.

That's quite cool. I have no use for the rules or the wolves though so unless I can off load them soonish. It's no point in me getting it.

I'll keep the campaign maybe.

 chris13f wrote:
So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.

Soo... The thing we've been saying for the last couple days because of the pics of the leaked WD?

More grots around is good.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 balsak_da_mighty wrote:
It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!

That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.

Cutting corners from what? The existing campaign sets that included unique multi-pose figures at a discount? Because those never existed.
It would be nice if people could shift out of auto-moan occaisonally.

And it seems there is a growing number of willful ignorant, not surprising the cycle of abuse has gone back into the apologetic stage. GW has been cutting content and increasing costs while lowering quality with cut and paste rules. And they did exist, they were when battle forces saved you a ton of money, and the campaign book is another thing you'll need to buy if it contains anything useful, and there is little way to know without blind buying it.

With a bit if imagination these could be a great tool to get models out without codex releases. Just imagine de vs ce where you have a plastic archon with plastic incubi + existing kits vs plastic autarch with some plastic fire dragons + existing kits. Have to see how they work the angles in future.

 chris13f wrote:
So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.

You really should attempt to read a thread before replying. This has been known for quite some time.

 Ravenous D wrote:

And it seems there is a growing number of willful ignorant, not surprising the cycle of abuse has gone back into the apologetic stage. GW has been cutting content and increasing costs while lowering quality with cut and paste rules. And they did exist, they were when battle forces saved you a ton of money, and the campaign book is another thing you'll need to buy if it contains anything useful, and there is little way to know without blind buying it.

You mean like how this set saves you money?

$46.25 for the Killa Kans
$25.00 for the Nobs
$16.50 for the Gretchin Mob

$37.25 for the Grey Hunters/Blood Claws(you can build 10 of either as a full unit or mix and match for 5/5)
$50 for the Wolf Guard Terminators

Not counting the characters (I'd put them at around $25 for Grukk and $30 for Krom; because Space Marine stuff is always priced higher), the campaign book(which is included in the box), and the mini copy of "The Rules"--you're looking at $175 for just the repacked models.
If you want to get technical, you hit $125(the list price of Stormclaw) with just the Ork stuff and the Grey Hunters/Blood Claws box. Essentially everything else is gravy.

 Ravenous D wrote:


And it seems there is a growing number of willful ignorant, not surprising the cycle of abuse has gone back into the apologetic stage.

Jesus Christ. Get a grip.
Your complaining that the discounted campaign set isn't discounted deeply enough and that you may or may not find new campaign content 'useful'.
Glad to see you are breaking free from the cycle of abuse. You are everyone's secret hero.

You know, I probably moan about GW here often enough to be seen by some as a hater, but even I (a) plan to buy this set and (b) can't really understand why anyone feels the need to complain about GW finally doing something that most of us have been clamouring for for ages, which is bundling some proper, full boxes of minis (rather than monopose snap-fits) at a decent discount. We even get a couple of limited edition minis and a rulebook and some scenarios thrown in.

Yeah, I don't think you're gonna break through to that one.

So, this box includes two unique minis, several multipiece plastic kits and campaign books? At a discount? Sounds like a good deal to me.

And if you don't like the minis then it's not for you. This isn't a mandatory purchase by any stretch of the imagination.
I do wonder if there's repetition between the Red Waaagh book and the contents of the Stormclaw box though? That would obviously lower any added value that the campaign content might provide.

I'm guessing there isn't, but I guess we'll see.

Very pleased with the price. That said, I have plenty of GH and WGT sprues...more than I need. And I like the Orks, but I'm not going to build an Ork army. So I really just want this for Krom and the books. So I appreciate the very reasonable price, since it makes all of the extra stuff seem cheap.

I'd much prefer a legit starter set, with more monopose Wolves and Orkses, but this is pretty cool as well.

Maybe I can trade the Orks for the Wolves, and get two Kroms out of it.

 dienekes96 wrote:
Maybe I can trade the Orks for the Wolves, and get two Kroms out of it.

If my local forum is any indication, you definitely can.

Food sucks and there's not enough to eat....

I'm no apologist, but I do like the set.

I suppose Wolf Guard/Termies may see some new rules (ala Dark Angels getting new Knights), but even I can't argue with the price.

I also imagine even though this may be "limited", we'll see the rule book ebay for about $30, Wolves $50, Orks $40?

Spoke to a GW staffer today.

He's not happy. This isn't a starter, Dark Vengeance has apparently disappeared for all time (not just a repack), he's had no indication about how exactly he's supposed to induct new players without the key product he uses for doing so.

This isn't uniquely GW incompetence, I've been in similar situations myself ("you've told me I need to sell x of these this month to earn my bonus, it's the second week of the month, I haven't got any, I haven't had any, I can't order any. How do you expect me to do my fething job when you can't do yours?" Might have left this poster's lips when speaking to his boss on one occasion!) but it is hugely incompetent.

 azreal13 wrote:
Dark Vengeance has apparently disappeared for all time (not just a repack), he's had no indication about how exactly he's supposed to induct new players without the key product he uses for doing so.

Not to disagree with an anonymous GW staffer, but White Dwarf disagrees with him.

I challenged him on that, and he said, as far as he could tell, it was gone for good, was missing from all his admin materials etc..

Not a jobs worth staffer either, we had a good chat about the new box, you know, the one here in this 17 page thread that GW don't acknowledge the existence of.