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 adamsouza wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
I dont know anyone who dislikes the SW Terminators

I don't like Space Wolf Terminators.

While I enjoy the vikings in space concept, I could never bring myself to field Space Marines with wolf pelts hagning off thier armor.

The plan is to convince a friend to go halves on two box sets and then trade him my space wolves for his Orks.

yeah if anyone in nz sees this, i'm keen for that (i want the orks).

 Ol'Dirty wrote:
Wish they'd have done something besides orks since they were in the last boxed set.

I wish they'd have done something other than Space Marines since they were in EVERY BOX SET EVER.

Thing is, if limited run campaign box sets are going to be the New Thing (and I REALLY hope they are), we are going to see some non-Space Marine releases eventually, because the boxes are going to sell out rapidly whoever goes in them.

That's what I'm hoping for! I'd quite like a Dark Eldar box set, and I'm hoping they're due soon, going off the fact one of the dudes is the cover art for the rule book...? I think.

 stubacca wrote:
Rulebook: A small format softback edition of Warhammer 40.000: The Rules

If that's the full rulebook and not a truncated copy I'll be getting that off eBay (for £10), it might even convince me to start playing it again

Kal-El wrote:

Space wolf player here and not impressed.

So don't buy it.

Kal-El wrote:

Don't need or want any of those SW models

So don't buy it.

Kal-El wrote:

...and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.

You're not impressed with the kit, and you don't need or want the SW minis. So how exactly are GW MAKING you buy them?

GW are selling this as specific (Value For Money!) entry point to a campaign involving SW and Orks. Complaining that it contains those two factions is pointless. It would be great if they could do bespoke starter sets at a discount. But not one single other company does this either...

Well, I can't speak for him, but if I didn't want the other models in the box I would be irritated too. Reason being is that the box contains rules In published form for not only characters but also formations.

If you play in legitimate groups, in that people expect you to not have illegally copied books, this can pose an unfortunate problem.

Add to that they are now saying its limited..

Imagine the codex now requiring you to buy the battleforce of the army in a big box for extreme.

I'm personally happy about this campaign box, I think its awesome, but I do think there are many legitimate concerns about it.

I think you'll be able to buy legitimate electronic versions of the formations from Black Library. At a guess they'll release a Sanctus Reach compilation with all of them in.

 Bulldogging wrote:
Well, I can't speak for him, but if I didn't want the other models in the box I would be irritated too. Reason being is that the box contains rules In published form for not only characters but also formations.

If you play in legitimate groups, in that people expect you to not have illegally copied books, this can pose an unfortunate problem.

Add to that they are now saying its limited..

Imagine the codex now requiring you to buy the battleforce of the army in a big box for extreme.

I'm personally happy about this campaign box, I think its awesome, but I do think there are many legitimate concerns about it.

Still not seeing a problem here - don't want it don't buy it. If you only want part of it, buy it and sell the rest or do without it.

Probably not for me, but I'll keep an open mind for now.

Kal-El wrote:
Space wolf player here and not impressed. Don't need or want any of those SW models and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.

What would it need for you to be impressed? I think most established SW players would already have plenty of everything, I'm sure how they're supposed to do better than offering you the main core unit + a popular elite unit.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Thing is, if limited run campaign box sets are going to be the New Thing (and I REALLY hope they are), we are going to see some non-Space Marine releases eventually, because the boxes are going to sell out rapidly whoever goes in them.

Hands up who'd like to see a Sanctuary 101 campaign set, with Sisters and Necrons.

At this point, and with Allies being what they are, I'd seriously consider buying just about any combo GW are likely to release, so long as it comes with a hefty discount and some bonus stuff.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Thing is, if limited run campaign box sets are going to be the New Thing (and I REALLY hope they are), we are going to see some non-Space Marine releases eventually, because the boxes are going to sell out rapidly whoever goes in them.

Space Marines vs Nids
BA vs Necron
GK Vs Daemons
BT vs Tau
CSM vs IG

They can keep going for a while.

Then do Eldar: Kinwars followed by Squats vs Sisters.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
At this point, and with Allies being what they are, I'd seriously consider buying just about any combo GW are likely to release, so long as it comes with a hefty discount and some bonus stuff.

^^^^ This. I enjoy painting different models. Multiple campaign boxes with different factions would be great for me. Let's you try out new stuff with minimal investment.

 The Shadow wrote:

I wish they'd have done something other than Space Marines since they were in EVERY BOX SET EVER.

Well now you're just talking MADNESS!, MADNESS, I TELL YOU!!

Wait until 8th Edition when Space Marine Allies are MANDATORY

 monders wrote:

Kal-El wrote:

Space wolf player here and not impressed.

So don't buy it.

Kal-El wrote:

Don't need or want any of those SW models

So don't buy it.

Kal-El wrote:

...and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.

You're not impressed with the kit, and you don't need or want the SW minis. So how exactly are GW MAKING you buy them?

GW are selling this as specific (Value For Money!) entry point to a campaign involving SW and Orks. Complaining that it contains those two factions is pointless. It would be great if they could do bespoke starter sets at a discount. But not one single other company does this either...

EXACTLY why I won't be buying it, wanting it or needing it. Thanks Captain O.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Kal-El wrote:
Space wolf player here and not impressed. Don't need or want any of those SW models and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.

What would it need for you to be impressed? I think most established SW players would already have plenty of everything, I'm sure how they're supposed to do better than offering you the main core unit + a popular elite unit.

Considering assault on black reach offered 3 unique def copters, I would honestly be looking for more uniqueness besides the 2 single HQs. For me, a single hq per faction, one faction I don't play isn't enough for me to even consider. For a new player this is great don't get me wrong.

Why would you compare it to black reach? it's not a starter set, DV is coming back.

Kal-El wrote:

Considering assault on black reach offered 3 unique def copters, I would honestly be looking for more uniqueness besides the 2 single HQs. For me, a single hq per faction, one faction I don't play isn't enough for me to even consider. For a new player this is great don't get me wrong.

Not complaining about Black Reach (since I bought, I think, three of them for the orks and koptas ), but I'm much happier to have a unique HQ model only available in a box than a standard unit choice. I'm sure all of the CSM players who had the choice of only one Helbrute for far too long would agree with me.

GW needs to get away from the 'limited release' for models entirely, IMHO, and sell models to people who want to buy them. However, it's at least a little more palatable to restrict the sales of one or two special characters than making things like Chosen, Cultists, and Deff Koptas hard to get.

talk about a one sided box...

The ork list in there is absolutely horrible. The terminators will win that fight alone barring REALLY bad dice.

Grots are useless except for cheap backyard objective holding and minimal troop requirements.
Killakans will be wrecked before they swing
regular Nobz are and have always been useless
Warboss without armor or bike is too vulnerable

I was seriously expecting them to rebirth the Deffkopta model, since AOBR is pretty damn hard to get now and it was the preferred model. People bought that thing PURELY for the deffkopta models, and would do so again methinks.

Maybe the scenarios in the box are... gasp... balanced (!) to take into account the asymmetry between the two forces included. I think it'd be another first for GW, but we live in a new era.

I have a SW army at roughly 2000pts, and I'd love to add this to my collection. I'm giddy. I'm not "new" to the hobby but I'm 2 years in and still growing. I don't know why people are so up in arms about a set that basically holds roughly the same unit value as the Battleforce, for the same price and oh by the way, you get a bunch of orks thrown in free in-case you wanted to play around with another army.

I feel most people who are opposed to this are looking at the price-point in comparison the the models for the one army they are wanting and going "$110 for those orks is silly" and completely dismissing the second army.

I'm going in with an ork friend who wants the books and so we worked out that I'd pay $55 for the SW, and he would pay $75 for the Orks and all of the books.

That is great value. It works because we split it.

Just like codexes you have to view box-sets in a vacuum of their value for the models and not a comparison to previous sets and what you feel you should get. I mean, Orks just had 6 weeks of new models and people are seriously complaining because there are no new Ork models in this set?!

SmurfInABlender wrote:
I have a SW army at roughly 2000pts, and I'd love to add this to my collection. I'm giddy. I'm not "new" to the hobby but I'm 2 years in and still growing. I don't know why people are so up in arms about a set that basically holds roughly the same unit value as the Battleforce, for the same price and oh by the way, you get a bunch of orks thrown in free in-case you wanted to play around with another army.

I feel most people who are opposed to this are looking at the price-point in comparison the the models for the one army they are wanting and going "$110 for those orks is silly" and completely dismissing the second army.

I'm going in with an ork friend who wants the books and so we worked out that I'd pay $55 for the SW, and he would pay $75 for the Orks and all of the books.

That is great value. It works because we split it.

Just like codexes you have to view box-sets in a vacuum of their value for the models and not a comparison to previous sets and what you feel you should get. I mean, Orks just had 6 weeks of new models and people are seriously complaining because there are no new Ork models in this set?!

Yep! Plus think of all the extra bits you get from this that you never get from snap fit.

The extra bits are a major draw. We all must have spare Marines still unpainted, right? So suddenly they can become Grey Hunters too...

So, this is GWs panic sale of grey hunters before the new codex nerf them, eh?
Edit: the fact that their conterpart greenskins in this box is gretchin should be a clue.

Just kidding though. Just kidding

Considering GH, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard all come from the same box, I doubt it.

Given the theory that the SW box may get 'Dire Avengered', though, this set looks like very good value for a SW player.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
The extra bits are a major draw. We all must have spare Marines still unpainted, right? So suddenly they can become Grey Hunters too...

Yeah, the GH sprues are such a good deal for that. 1 set can make 10-20 extra models into space wolves pretty easily.

 Paradigm wrote:
Considering GH, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard all come from the same box, I doubt it.

Given the theory that the SW box may get 'Dire Avengered', though, this set looks like very good value for a SW player.

Agree, but also, they might go all in with new wolf scouts for the codex, and nerfing PA all together.

Edit: dang, the scouts are in that box as well. Not my most witty day....

I don't think there's any evidence for the popular fan theory that GW deliberately nerfs older models with each codex. They do try to make each unit balanced, it's just that they're not very good at it, and they don't try very hard. But if you're worried, just avoid assembling the Wolves till we see a new codex.

 Paradigm wrote:
Considering GH, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard all come from the same box, I doubt it.

Given the theory that the SW box may get 'Dire Avengered', though, this set looks like very good value for a SW player.

This is actually a very probable statement. The amount of stuff in the wolf pack box for the price-point is INSANE. like seriously, it has 27 different heads in that box alone! I can totally see them moving it to 5 guys for $30. All the sudden the value set goes from a good deal to a STEAL.

Will be interesting to see. I can see them Dire-Avengering the box or splitting the box so not all the wolfy bits are in one goldmine of a $35 box.

SmurfInABlender wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Considering GH, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard all come from the same box, I doubt it.

Given the theory that the SW box may get 'Dire Avengered', though, this set looks like very good value for a SW player.

This is actually a very probable statement. The amount of stuff in the wolf pack box for the price-point is INSANE. like seriously, it has 27 different heads in that box alone! I can totally see them moving it to 5 guys for $30. All the sudden the value set goes from a good deal to a STEAL.

Will be interesting to see. I can see them Dire-Avengering the box or splitting the box so not all the wolfy bits are in one goldmine of a $35 box.

I'm 90% certain it's going to happen. The box is just 2 of the same sprue, so halving it would be tragically easy, and every other Chapter-specific set is only 5 models (Death Co, Sang Guard, DA Veterans PAGK),

So I really do need to get the cash together to but this set, as it's very good value already even without that fear, and while I've already got a fair few Grey Hunters, this is the cheapest I'm going to get the Termies I've been wanting for ages, and more GH (And the associated bits-box gold mine) never goes amiss.