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I personnaly would go for Grey Knights murdering Sister of Battle, bath in their blood to fight a major daemon of Khorn. To me, it represent perfectly the idea that Grey Knight are idiots. Nothing better than spending time, amunition and perhapse even brothers killing Sisters instead of helping them win the day. I suppose beeig so small in numbers Grey Knight forgot that strengh can come from number. Plus, bathing in blood to fight scions of the God of rage, war and... well bloodshed seems to be a very stupid thing to do. Ironically, I consider it the worst not because of all these reasons, but because it could be an excellent piece of fiction if well put. You can catch in the noble heroisme of the Grey Knights, the martyr and selfless nature of Sisters and the monstrosity of Khorn's servents. Add some intense action scenea a false romance and you got yourself a good Black Library novel. What's your opinion

The most ridiculous piece of fluff I've come across is that of Imperial censors removing information from a library.

How? By bringing some flamethrowers to the library and burning the books then and there. What?!

They also burn innocent scribes who happen to witness the burning. Double what?!

Can't they just cart the books away? Sometimes I wonder if 40k should be taken seriously or not.

Pick a bit of Space Wolves Mary Sue fluff, all of it.

The Damnos Warzone book bothers me the most.
Calgar running up and forcefully turning a misfiring Necron Pylon to shoot down a Tesseract Vault.
The escaped C'Tan ripping the planet apart until Sicarius runs up to it just in time to chuck a vortex grenade at it. A grenade he only had because his old friend in the allied Deathwatch squad gave it to him.

Failbaddon the armless.

I've never been more ashamed of a character.

Anything written by C. S. Goto or Ben Counter.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Pick a bit of Space Wolves Mary Sue fluff, all of it.

Unfortunately a lot of space marine background these days is absolutely awful from Draigo to a single squad of marines wiping out thousands of Dark Eldar without suffering a single casualty it just so awful to even try reading. Hard to pick just one example, but space wolves are at least in the running for the worst background out of all the space marine chapters.

The Eldar aspect fluff. I think it's stupid that you can only become an officer by becoming an obsessed madman.

The entire GK codex.

The Newcrons.

Pretty much the entire fake Newcron fluff.

Ciaphas Cain.

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Perpetuals.

Every last word written about them.

 ashcroft wrote:
Perpetuals.

Every last word written about them.

Oh good Isha, I forgot about that crap. I really don't get the hate for the necron fluff update, it turned the faction from being a one-dimensional group to one with potential for actual characters while still allowing those who want the old style to keep it. IDK just feels like a mix of ward hate and refusing to accept any change whenever I hear someone complain about the necron update especially when using the term Newcrons.

The Doom of Malan'tai.

Generally the pieces of background that make one (or both sides) just look bad. This includes the pieces of background that make the Imperium so ludicrously inefficient that every other faction must be horrendously incompetent as well for it to still be standing.

Also significant amounts of battles Avatar's participate in are beginning to bug me. Avatar's are supposed to be supreme tacticians yet seem to never be portrayed as coordinating the army or having any impact on the battle beyond simply fighting in melee. Their greatest impact should be how they affect and direct the Eldar army not how well they can swing a sword.

epronovost wrote:I personnaly would go for Grey Knights murdering Sister of Battle, bath in their blood to fight a major daemon of Khorn.

To say they bathed in their blood is an exaggeration. They used pure blood to essentially cast a spell to protect them. The Codex emphasised that the Grey Knights have no problem in using such rituals. I honestly don't think it's a bad piece of background. It highlights their willingness to do anything to get the job done.

Anything where there is talk of Space Marines rolling around or slinging a sword across their backs, the author clearly forgetting there's a chuffing great power generator on the marines back.

Oh, and authors forgetting Space Marine power armour has auto-senses - with their helmet on, they don't see with their eyes or hear with their ears, its all processed by the suit and fed straight to their brain...'retinal display' doesn't mean those pointless lenses in their helmets...

Space Marines -can- roll. Have you seen the Space Marine game? It is probably more difficult but it is entirely possible.

I can roll with a backpack. The backpack is not as large as the Marine backpack, of course, but -I- am an insect next to a Space Marine as well, so it balances out.

In the CSM codex it tells how a chapter of space marines where kindanpped by kabalite warriors. Spent days laughing at that.

Geez, that's hard. There's a lot of good. But, I swear so much of the BL is written by non authors who worked for GW and someone said, "Hey, you wrote a paragraph for a codex once, write a book." And then no one even proof-reads it much less edits it.

So are we asking poorly written, or just stupid to the actual background?

Well written and good for the universe - Reading the Imperial Armor books makes you really love the 40k universe.

Bad - Then you get the Space Marine Codex and Marneus Calgar holds off an entire army by himself for days or whatever. Stupid.

Or some authors write great books - Storm of Iron, then follow with Dead Sky, Black Sun which is clearly full of ripped off Slayer lyrics. WTF?

The worst thing that I have come across though is the Blood Angels/Necron alliance as far as hurting the 40k Universe. Used to be in RT, the Eldar, Squats, and Imperials allied all the time. Then the old background changed around 3rd (I think) where it became very dark and no one was friends anymore. I could see the desperate alliance between Eldar and Imperials nowadays, but with Necrons? No.

 Chaos Rising wrote:
In the CSM codex it tells how a chapter of space marines where kindanpped by kabalite warriors. Spent days laughing at that.

There was also the Tome of Fire trilogy where in the second book Dark Eldar kidnapped the Company's Chaplain and a large group of Salamanders. Then the rest of the Company went mission impossible and saved the survivors.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Also significant amounts of battles Avatar's participate in are beginning to bug me. Avatar's are supposed to be supreme tacticians yet seem to never be portrayed as coordinating the army or having any impact on the battle beyond simply fighting in melee. Their greatest impact should be how they affect and direct the Eldar army not how well they can swing a sword..

Er, do you mean Autarchs? Avatars are Gods of War incarnate and are supposed to kill everything...


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 Archon_Zarbyrn wrote:

 ashcroft wrote:

I really don't get the hate for the necron fluff update, it turned the faction from being a one-dimensional group to one with potential for actual characters while still allowing those who want the old style to keep it. IDK just feels like a mix of ward hate and refusing to accept any change whenever I hear someone complain about the necron update especially when using the term Newcrons.

Some people see it as making a pretty interesting or at least "cool" faction and making parts of it make no sense and/or giving it characters with stupid background. A wonderful example for me is the race with no Warp capability uses the Warp for travel and the thousand year old kleptomaniac.

pm713 wrote:

Er, do you mean Autarchs? Avatars are Gods of War incarnate and are supposed to kill everything...

God of War incarnate doesn't mean it's nothing more than a berserker. Avatars are supposed to be the commander of the army. If I recall correctly in the previous Eldar Codex if you took an Avatar it had to be the Warlord. They're consummate generals not mindless monsters. The Swarmlord is actually described similarly to the Avatar.

If I'm not mistaken, C. S. Goto's work is so terrible that many 40k fans don't consider it canon.

I wish I was more familiar with the Mat Ward GK codex; sounds like it would give Newcron hate some context.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Er, do you mean Autarchs? Avatars are Gods of War incarnate and are supposed to kill everything...

God of War incarnate doesn't mean it's nothing more than a berserker. Avatars are supposed to be the commander of the army. If I recall correctly in the previous Eldar Codex if you took an Avatar it had to be the Warlord. They're consummate generals not mindless monsters. The Swarmlord is actually described similarly to the Avatar.

Warlords did not exist when the previous Eldar codex was written. Avatars were, however, still HQs.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Er, do you mean Autarchs? Avatars are Gods of War incarnate and are supposed to kill everything...

God of War incarnate doesn't mean it's nothing more than a berserker. Avatars are supposed to be the commander of the army. If I recall correctly in the previous Eldar Codex if you took an Avatar it had to be the Warlord. They're consummate generals not mindless monsters. The Swarmlord is actually described similarly to the Avatar.

They're HQ's that's it and considering they fill Eldar near them with blinding rage they aren't generals. They might not be a mindless monster but they aren't generals either.

pm713 wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Also significant amounts of battles Avatar's participate in are beginning to bug me. Avatar's are supposed to be supreme tacticians yet seem to never be portrayed as coordinating the army or having any impact on the battle beyond simply fighting in melee. Their greatest impact should be how they affect and direct the Eldar army not how well they can swing a sword..

Er, do you mean Autarchs? Avatars are Gods of War incarnate and are supposed to kill everything...


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 Archon_Zarbyrn wrote:

 ashcroft wrote:

I really don't get the hate for the necron fluff update, it turned the faction from being a one-dimensional group to one with potential for actual characters while still allowing those who want the old style to keep it. IDK just feels like a mix of ward hate and refusing to accept any change whenever I hear someone complain about the necron update especially when using the term Newcrons.

Some people see it as making a pretty interesting or at least "cool" faction and making parts of it make no sense and/or giving it characters with stupid background. A wonderful example for me is the race with no Warp capability uses the Warp for travel and the thousand year old kleptomaniac.

Do Avatars even have a record of doing anything badass? Whenever an Avatar of Khaine shows up in W40K, it just seems to always die like a punk to anything from a Space Marine Chapter Master to a Primarch.

Avatars and Battle Sisters, these things exist in 40k fluff for one reason, it seems:

To die in order to show how badass the enemy slaying them is.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Avatars and Battle Sisters, these things exist in 40k fluff for one reason, it seems:

To die in order to show how badass the enemy slaying them is.

When have Sisters ever suffered from the Worf effect? That roll always seems to belong to the Blood Angels or Imperial Fists.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Avatars and Battle Sisters, these things exist in 40k fluff for one reason, it seems:

To die in order to show how badass the enemy slaying them is.

Well of course. You aren't badass unlss you can kill human women wearing a suit of power armour. If they didn't kill Sisters by the drove, then they would overwhelm everyone and eventually destroy all serious threats to Mankind (IOW Tyranids, Necrons and Chaos).

Eldar are not included because the Sisters being girls would happily sit down to tea and the two of them would braid each others hair and talk about that Guardsman with the cute butt (you know the one).


Nah, just kidding.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Avatars and Battle Sisters, these things exist in 40k fluff for one reason, it seems:

To die in order to show how badass the enemy slaying them is.

When have Sisters ever suffered from the Worf effect? That roll always seems to belong to the Blood Angels or Imperial Fists.

Didn't some Grey Knights kill them for lolz?