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 Uriels_Flame wrote:
TAKE ALL THE AERODYNAMIC CONVERSATION HERE!!!!

Good lord reading all this NON-SW discussion is killing me. Hijack your own thread.

....we're talking about the rumoured SW flier. That's how rumour threads around these parts work, people post rumours and then people discuss those rumours.

I have no time to read through the thread, but does anyone know or reckon the SW will get Centurion Warsuits? And grav weapons?

Also, fething loving that flying. The Assault Ram variant looks awesome.

 Deadshot wrote:
I have no time to read through the thread, but does anyone know or reckon the SW will get Centurion Warsuits? And grav weapons?

I haven't heard anything about either of those things.

I had a thought. I think instead of grav guns, space wolves will have access to frost guns.

canadainbeaver wrote:
I had a thought. I think instead of grav guns, space wolves will have access to frost guns.

After seeing the Helfrost cannon, I think that's a real possibility.

Yeah, no rumors on Centurions. Frost weapons would be excellent though.

I would really like to see Frost Weapons have the Hellfrost rule. I think it would make then worth the points and give them a cool dynamic as well instead of just +1 str.

 Grimwulfe wrote:
I would really like to see Frost Weapons have the Hellfrost rule. I think it would make then worth the points and give them a cool dynamic as well instead of just +1 str.

Oh, hell yes!

 pretre wrote:

 Grimwulfe wrote:
I would really like to see Frost Weapons have the Hellfrost rule. I think it would make then worth the points and give them a cool dynamic as well instead of just +1 str.

Oh, hell yes!

Hell no without a points increase. Adding instant death to a weapon's profile shouldn't be free compared with the current price. There is a huge difference between +1 str and instant death in terms of power.

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Grimwulfe wrote:
I would really like to see Frost Weapons have the Hellfrost rule. I think it would make then worth the points and give them a cool dynamic as well instead of just +1 str.

Oh, hell yes!

Hell no without a points increase. Adding instant death to a weapon's profile shouldn't be free. There is a huge difference between +1 str and instant death in terms of power.

It's not true instant death. They are already spendy and outclassed by Wolf Claws in almost ever situation for their points, this would give a reason to take them.

 pretre wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Grimwulfe wrote:
I would really like to see Frost Weapons have the Hellfrost rule. I think it would make then worth the points and give them a cool dynamic as well instead of just +1 str.

Oh, hell yes!

Hell no without a points increase. Adding instant death to a weapon's profile shouldn't be free. There is a huge difference between +1 str and instant death in terms of power.

It's not true instant death. They are already spendy and outclassed by Wolf Claws in almost ever situation for their points, this would give a reason to take them.

It's similar to a force weapon in mechanics (test to activate). And Helfrost ignores Eternal Warrior, as we've heard it.

So in that latter sense it's better than true Instant Death.

I would imagine they would be relics and limited to 1 per army?

But given how GW likes to forge those narratives - I can also definately see it happening.

How does Hellfrost ignore Eternal warrior?

 Grimwulfe wrote:
How does Hellfrost ignore Eternal warrior?

It removes from play upon a failed strength test. Eternal Warrior only protects against wounds with the Instant Death special rule, which Helfrost hasn't mentioned at all.

UltraPrime wrote:

Jefffar wrote:The termies in the Stormclaw box had Deep Strike, so we might see it on the full codex versions too.

No they don't.

Nut sure what you are saying UltraPrime, both page 22 and page 32 of the storm claw book say Terminator armour have the deep strike special rule.
Care to expand on your interpretation?

Helfrost is a way to get around Eternal Warriors being immune to instant death... but then it's also significantly less effective than instant death so I'm fine with it.


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Does anyone think the Stormthingo looks a bit too small to carry 16 models and also be armour 12?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Helfrost is a way to get around Eternal Warriors being immune to instant death... but then it's also significantly less effective than instant death so I'm fine with it.


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Does anyone think the Stormthingo looks a bit too small to carry 16 models and also be armour 12?

The Caestus Assault Ram looks too small to carry 10 Terminators. It gets around it by the "Misercorde" rule. It essentially means that models in PA, AA (Runic) or TDA are held in place by special harnesses so they take up little space as possible. Probably somthing similar here.

That and the Space Wolves are going to be hanging out the windows anyway, so take up less room

 pretre wrote:

 Grimwulfe wrote:
I would really like to see Frost Weapons have the Hellfrost rule. I think it would make then worth the points and give them a cool dynamic as well instead of just +1 str.

Oh, hell yes!

This is a great idea, something that would set them apart from being too-expensive power weapons that aren't as good as fists or hammers, and also make them less of a 'not quite as good' relic blade.

peopel keep talking about the rules for this being available, but I can only see the pictures where the rules are sprayed out.


can we get the OP updated with the actual rules for hull and the non censored pictures please or a linky?

 easysauce wrote:
peopel keep talking about the rules for this being available, but I can only see the pictures where the rules are sprayed out.


can we get the OP updated with the actual rules for hull and the non censored pictures please or a linky?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/360/605383.page#7042216

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Grimwulfe wrote:
I would really like to see Frost Weapons have the Hellfrost rule. I think it would make then worth the points and give them a cool dynamic as well instead of just +1 str.

Oh, hell yes!

This is a great idea, something that would set them apart from being too-expensive power weapons that aren't as good as fists or hammers, and also make them less of a 'not quite as good' relic blade.

This would be awesome but unfortunately it was not mentioned in the Sanctus Reach frost axe entry so it's not happening outside of the relics section.

thanks for the link.


RE frost weapons: I think they are great as is, +1 str on swords, _2 on axes is very nice to have, they should be costed a bit less I think if the boxed set is anything to go on.

I am really liking the amount of plastic stuff that is rumoured to be coming out...

Yeah, it would be great if the OP actually put all the info in the first post.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, it would be great if the OP actually put all the info in the first post.

I do wish people who don't intend to maintain the original post would just not bother being the thread starter.

Given that the way the rumours forum works is that rumours are posted and then people, for many pages, discuss the rumours, it does mean the OP needs to be switched on and updating the first post to keep the thread somewhat manageable.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, it would be great if the OP actually put all the info in the first post.

I do wish people who don't intend to maintain the original post would just not bother being the thread starter.

Given that the way the rumours forum works is that rumours are posted and then people, for many pages, discuss the rumours, it does mean the OP needs to be switched on and updating the first post to keep the thread somewhat manageable.

Exactly!

I'm very interested in what they plan to do with Frost Weapons.

The points were so close between them, power weapons and power fists I don't think it's as easy as changing points. They will have to add more rules to them IMO.

The frost axe is the big oddity, completely pointless currently, Krom says thanks also.

Fayric wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

Jefffar wrote:The termies in the Stormclaw box had Deep Strike, so we might see it on the full codex versions too.

No they don't.

Nut sure what you are saying UltraPrime, both page 22 and page 32 of the storm claw book say Terminator armour have the deep strike special rule.
Care to expand on your interpretation?

My mistake. I was looking at unit special rules thinking it would be mentioned there. You are, of course, correct.

frost axe is only 20pts IIRC (correct me if wrong pls)

and not specialist, so cheaper 2nd attack, I can def see it getting cheaper.

Id love to see a frost mace with +3 str more then anything,

high str at initiative attacks are the bees knees.

 pretre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, it would be great if the OP actually put all the info in the first post.

I do wish people who don't intend to maintain the original post would just not bother being the thread starter.

Given that the way the rumours forum works is that rumours are posted and then people, for many pages, discuss the rumours, it does mean the OP needs to be switched on and updating the first post to keep the thread somewhat manageable.

Exactly!

Jesus some people. First post updated.

A simple PM to me would suffice next time dudes. GW isn't my life,