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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 pretre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, it would be great if the OP actually put all the info in the first post.

I do wish people who don't intend to maintain the original post would just not bother being the thread starter.

Given that the way the rumours forum works is that rumours are posted and then people, for many pages, discuss the rumours, it does mean the OP needs to be switched on and updating the first post to keep the thread somewhat manageable.

Exactly!

Jesus some people. First post updated.

A simple PM to me would suffice next time dudes. GW isn't my life,

Chill. You're reading a lot more into this than there is. And thank you.

Alabaster.clown wrote:
fugly pug

Haha good name. We have the Chibi Hawk, now we have the Fugly Pug.

 easysauce wrote:
frost axe is only 20pts IIRC (correct me if wrong pls)

and not specialist, so cheaper 2nd attack, I can def see it getting cheaper.

Id love to see a frost mace with +3 str more then anything,

high str at initiative attacks are the bees knees.

They are priced the same as Power Fists, which is the problem. Granted it's a bigger deal on low attack models to get an extra attack with bolt pistol, but generally STR 8 is just hands down better. Instant death to T4, threatens higher armor vehicles, wounds most MC on a 2+. It's just better.

Hell yeah to frost mace though lol.

Man I'm glad you guys didn't ruin Starwars for me as a kid (eyes on you George Lucas). You guys must have of had strokes when the Millennium falcon flies through the atmosphere of Tatooine. The transport is away" ... no... no it isn't. I can't really think of any good sci-fi that has ships that could remotely fly in the atmosphere of an Earth like planet? Star Trek perhaps? Nah Oh wait the Hunter Killers from Terminator... Nah.

I understand the Taurox hate but this thing would fit right in in Star Wars it almost looks like an X-wing... I guess thats because GW ripped of BSG which ripped of SW. But thats what 40k is its all derivative.

The weapons could be better placed but meh im just going to move them.

"She don't fly pretty.... cos she aiint pretty"

Hydrapup wrote:
Man I'm glad you guys didn't ruin Starwars for me as a kid (eyes on you George Lucas). You guys must have of had strokes when the Millennium falcon flies through the atmosphere of Tatooine. The transport is away" ... no... no it isn't. I can't really think of any good sci-fi that has ships that could remotely fly in the atmosphere of an Earth like planet? Star Trek perhaps? Nah Oh wait the Hunter Killers from Terminator... Nah.

I understand the Taurox hate but this thing would fit right in in Star Wars it almost looks like an X-wing... I guess thats because GW ripped of BSG which ripped of SW. But thats what 40k is its all derivative.

The weapons could be better placed but meh im just going to move them.

"She don't fly pretty.... cos she aiint pretty"

As I said before, it's not a matter of "could it fly" so much as "it doesn't look like it should fly". I don't know a lot about the Star Wars background outside the movies and some of the video games, but the Millennium Falcon does look a lot more like something that should fly than the fugly pug. Just like the flying croissants of the Necrons look more like something that should fly. Though all do look more suited to space travel than atmospheric flight, none look as jarring as the giant irish terrier's head.

Neither the Monolith nor the flying croissants look capable of flight, but the flying croissants look vastly more like a manoeuvrable aircraft while the Monolith looks like a lumbering behemoth. It's all about designing things that look like they should fill a role rather than designing something that can actually fly according to real world physics.

I would love to see a Frost Lance/Spear.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Hydrapup wrote:
Man I'm glad you guys didn't ruin Starwars for me as a kid (eyes on you George Lucas). You guys must have of had strokes when the Millennium falcon flies through the atmosphere of Tatooine. The transport is away" ... no... no it isn't. I can't really think of any good sci-fi that has ships that could remotely fly in the atmosphere of an Earth like planet? Star Trek perhaps? Nah Oh wait the Hunter Killers from Terminator... Nah.

I understand the Taurox hate but this thing would fit right in in Star Wars it almost looks like an X-wing... I guess thats because GW ripped of BSG which ripped of SW. But thats what 40k is its all derivative.

The weapons could be better placed but meh im just going to move them.

"She don't fly pretty.... cos she aiint pretty"

As I said before, it's not a matter of "could it fly" so much as "it doesn't look like it should fly". I don't know a lot about the Star Wars background outside the movies and some of the video games, but the Millennium Falcon does look a lot more like something that should fly than the fugly pug. Just like the flying croissants of the Necrons look more like something that should fly. Though all do look more suited to space travel than atmospheric flight, none look as jarring as the giant irish terrier's head.

Neither the Monolith nor the flying croissants look capable of flight, but the flying croissants look vastly more like a manoeuvrable aircraft while the Monolith looks like a lumbering behemoth. It's all about designing things that look like they should fill a role rather than designing something that can actually fly according to real world physics.

I really don't think you have an argument here... You say the falcon look like it could fly... my answer would be in what universe? Plus out all the sci fi you chose that as a flying machine, Its clearly a spaceship that only works in the atmosphere because of antigrav like our friend here. If you don't like it thats fine but please don't pretend you are being impartial as far as "aerodynamics" go.

Edit sorry didn't see the mod warning I'll quit now

Aerodynamics be damned. My problem is that it manages to be both ugly and boring looking. Might as well spray a shoe box blue and call it a flyer.

Just an opinion of course, and I liked the Taurox from the off.

Hydrapup wrote:
You say the falcon look like it could fly...

Actually I didn't say that. I said it looks more like it should fly. Yeah I know I'm on the losing side of a semantic argument and I apologise for that so I'll just elaborate.

I am very familiar with aerodynamics, that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking about designing the model so it looks like it actually fulfills the purpose you have set for it. This thing looks like a brick, an object to be hurled at another object, it looks like that (to me) because it of its aspect ratio, its bulk, it's tiny wings which are better suited to a dart or missile than a manoeuvrable flying craft. So no matter how much space magic you tell me about, it's still going to look like a brick that is hurled rather than a flier.

The same way the Stormtalon looks like an underwater vehicle, so even though you tell me it's a manoevrable aircraft, it will still always look to me like a guppy.

The Millennium Falcon is a much flatter, longer, higher aspect ratio vehicle. So even though, yes, aerodynamically it looks awful, within it's sci-fi space magic role it (to me at least) looks much more appealing and viable.

Good artists (of which I am not) have a better grasp of this, I said earlier in the thread neither the Thunderhawk nor the Stormeagle nor the Thunderbolt nor the Marauder could fly in reality, but they still look cool to me, the first 2 definitely push the limits of proportions. But the Stormraven, Stormtalon and now this thing push the limits to far and fail to capture the essence of what they are supposed to be.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Hydrapup wrote:
You say the falcon look like it could fly...

Actually I didn't say that. I said it looks more like it should fly. Yeah I know I'm on the losing side of a semantic argument and I apologise for that so I'll just elaborate.

I am very familiar with aerodynamics, that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking about designing the model so it looks like it actually fulfills the purpose you have set for it. This thing looks like a brick, an object to be hurled at another object, it looks like that (to me) because it of its aspect ratio, its bulk, it's tiny wings which are better suited to a dart or missile than a manoeuvrable flying craft. So no matter how much space magic you tell me about, it's still going to look like a brick that is hurled rather than a flier.

The same way the Stormtalon looks like an underwater vehicle, so even though you tell me it's a manoevrable aircraft, it will still always look to me like a guppy.

The Millennium Falcon is a much flatter, longer, higher aspect ratio vehicle. So even though, yes, aerodynamically it looks awful, within it's sci-fi space magic role it (to me at least) looks much more appealing and viable.

But again my friend that is not an argument you are just being subjective... If I answered in kind it would be the falcon looks like a trash can lid... which can fly for a time but so can a brick if you hurl it hard enough

Mate that Stormfang gunship looks MINT! GW is really stepping it up with the quality of these new releases!

Hydrapup wrote:
But again my friend that not an argument you are just being subjective... If I answered in kind it would be the falcon looks like a trash can lid... which can fly for a time but so can a brick if you hurl it hard enough

I never meant to imply it was anything other than subjective, I simply discuss it as a means to explain why I personally don't like it.

I said earlier in the thread:
We all have different limits and no amount of "space magic" can take something we perceive as stupid as suddenly looking awesome.

Just because we have space magic doesn't preclude discussion about how this thing does not look like a flier to some people.

And if the rules stated it flew like a brick, I'd probably be fine with that. If the rules had it more like a drop pod, where it gets 1 turn of shooting at the enemy before driving itself in to the ground in a giant explosion which the safely housed Space marines then emerge from, I'd be "feth yeah, that looks awesome".

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Hydrapup wrote:
Man I'm glad you guys didn't ruin Starwars for me as a kid (eyes on you George Lucas). You guys must have of had strokes when the Millennium falcon flies through the atmosphere of Tatooine. The transport is away" ... no... no it isn't. I can't really think of any good sci-fi that has ships that could remotely fly in the atmosphere of an Earth like planet? Star Trek perhaps? Nah Oh wait the Hunter Killers from Terminator... Nah.

I understand the Taurox hate but this thing would fit right in in Star Wars it almost looks like an X-wing... I guess thats because GW ripped of BSG which ripped of SW. But thats what 40k is its all derivative.

The weapons could be better placed but meh im just going to move them.

"She don't fly pretty.... cos she aiint pretty"

And all im saying is is your limits are not impartial... thats all I was ever saying

Hydrapup wrote:
And all im saying is is your limits are not impartial... thats all I was ever saying

That's fine, of course I'm not impartial, but I'm just justifying why the Millennium Falcon, to me, looks fine, the brick, does not. It's not without reason that I think Millennium Falcons and Necron Flying Croissants look cool but the Stormthingo does not.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Hydrapup wrote:
And all im saying is is your limits are not impartial... thats all I was ever saying

That's fine, of course I'm not impartial, but I'm just justifying why the Millennium Falcon, to me, looks fine, the brick, does not. It's not without reason that I think Millennium Falcons and Necron Flying Croissants look cool but the Stormthingo does not.

Gotcha mate

I .. I .. I .. I know I shouldn't post here, I don't play the game, but it's in the 'N&R' section so fair game as far as I'm concerned, and this utter monstrosity demands comment!

As shocking as the design of this miniature, how crude and toy-like and completely disregarding of the physics that govern existence, even more shocking has been the general reaction of "Wow, actually that looks OK!"

My only thought must be that GW has set the bar so low that anything that isn't a red hot needle to the eye gets met with encouragement, that you positively have to scrape through the mud and grime at the bottom of the barrel to find anything so absolutely, positively, hideous to look at.

Even with a genetically enhanced ugly tree (made to look as bad as possible), hit with the ugly stick so hard, again and again, and an involvement somewhere of the fowl, stinking bowels of satan, I struggle to think how anything so monumentally abysmal could have been produced.

Honestly an absolutely fething terrible 'miniature', and I am shocked and appalled at the lack of artistic and creative critique applied here by some of the members of Dakka!

IMO this beats the ogre cheerleader, by far the worst looking miniature that GW has ever produced it just fails on absolutely every level. It's like someone took the essence of Adrian Childs, the arse of a baboon, a 1930's tractor, combined it with some chewing gum and threw it into the teleporter from 'The Fly'.

It actually hurts my eyes to look at it..

Meh. It's not even the worst looking GW flyer. It sure beats Storm Talon or Tau flyers.

 Pacific wrote:
I .. I .. I .. I know I shouldn't post here, I don't play the game, but it's in the 'N&R' section so fair game as far as I'm concerned, and this utter monstrosity demands comment!

As shocking as the design of this miniature, how crude and toy-like and completely disregarding of the physics that govern existence, even more shocking has been the general reaction of "Wow, actually that looks OK!"

My only thought must be that GW has set the bar so low that anything that isn't a red hot needle to the eye gets met with encouragement, that you positively have to scrape through the mud and grime at the bottom of the barrel to find anything so absolutely, positively, hideous to look at.

Even with a genetically enhanced ugly tree (made to look as bad as possible), hit with the ugly stick so hard, again and again, and an involvement somewhere of the fowl, stinking bowels of satan, I struggle to think how anything so monumentally abysmal could have been produced.

Honestly an absolutely fething terrible 'miniature', and I am shocked and appalled at the lack of artistic and creative critique applied here by some of the members of Dakka!

IMO this beats the ogre cheerleader, by far the worst looking miniature that GW has ever produced it just fails on absolutely every level. It's like someone took the essence of Adrian Childs, the arse of a baboon, a 1930's tractor, combined it with some chewing gum and threw it into the teleporter from 'The Fly'.

It actually hurts my eyes to look at it..

Adrian Chiles? steady on, it's not that bad, almost but...

 Pacific wrote:
I .. I .. I .. I know I shouldn't post here, I don't play the game, but it's in the 'N&R' section so fair game as far as I'm concerned, and this utter monstrosity demands comment!

As shocking as the design of this miniature, how crude and toy-like and completely disregarding of the physics that govern existence, even more shocking has been the general reaction of "Wow, actually that looks OK!"

My only thought must be that GW has set the bar so low that anything that isn't a red hot needle to the eye gets met with encouragement, that you positively have to scrape through the mud and grime at the bottom of the barrel to find anything so absolutely, positively, hideous to look at.

Even with a genetically enhanced ugly tree (made to look as bad as possible), hit with the ugly stick so hard, again and again, and an involvement somewhere of the fowl, stinking bowels of satan, I struggle to think how anything so monumentally abysmal could have been produced.

Honestly an absolutely fething terrible 'miniature', and I am shocked and appalled at the lack of artistic and creative critique applied here by some of the members of Dakka!

IMO this beats the ogre cheerleader, by far the worst looking miniature that GW has ever produced it just fails on absolutely every level. It's like someone took the essence of Adrian Childs, the arse of a baboon, a 1930's tractor, combined it with some chewing gum and threw it into the teleporter from 'The Fly'.

It actually hurts my eyes to look at it..

I nominate this for the award "best post of this thread"

I was going to say it was the most pointless but yeah...

 Pacific wrote:
I .. I .. I .. I know I shouldn't post here, I don't play the game, but it's in the 'N&R' section so fair game as far as I'm concerned, and this utter monstrosity demands comment!

As shocking as the design of this miniature, how crude and toy-like and completely disregarding of the physics that govern existence, even more shocking has been the general reaction of "Wow, actually that looks OK!"

My only thought must be that GW has set the bar so low that anything that isn't a red hot needle to the eye gets met with encouragement, that you positively have to scrape through the mud and grime at the bottom of the barrel to find anything so absolutely, positively, hideous to look at.

Even with a genetically enhanced ugly tree (made to look as bad as possible), hit with the ugly stick so hard, again and again, and an involvement somewhere of the fowl, stinking bowels of satan, I struggle to think how anything so monumentally abysmal could have been produced.

Honestly an absolutely fething terrible 'miniature', and I am shocked and appalled at the lack of artistic and creative critique applied here by some of the members of Dakka!

IMO this beats the ogre cheerleader, by far the worst looking miniature that GW has ever produced it just fails on absolutely every level. It's like someone took the essence of Adrian Childs, the arse of a baboon, a 1930's tractor, combined it with some chewing gum and threw it into the teleporter from 'The Fly'.

It actually hurts my eyes to look at it..

Or people like different things. Shocking, I know.

I bet they end up giving grey hunters Bolters and Bolt pistols and dropping their base points and then giving you the option to add a CCW.

I can't see them changing their points drastically from what they are now.

 cincydooley wrote:
I bet they end up giving grey hunters Bolters and Bolt pistols and dropping to points and then giving you the option to add a CCW.

I can't see them changing their points.

I can't see them dropping the idea of BP/Bolter/CCW as an available option either. I guess we'll see soon.

Natfka is predicting Ven Dread / Bjorn for next week with this as the cover he's referring to:



via an anonymous source on the cover of the Space Wolf codex and next week's releases.
It' looks like the Blood of Asaheim Novel cover, but different.

I heared next week GW will bring an Bjorn/Venerable SW Dreadnought Box.

 pretre wrote:

It' looks like the Blood of Asaheim Novel cover, but different.

Actually, it looks identical...



I'm going to guess the cover will be an image from the teaser.

I'd be fine with that as a codex cover. I love that piece of art!

I edited my post since I misdescribed his rumor. They are saying it is similar, although not that exact picture.

The only other SW art I like as much is Battle of the Fang's cover.

A Dread would be pretty epic, and the 'Ancient Warriors' bit in WD suggests just that.

 Paradigm wrote:
A Dread would be pretty epic, and the 'Ancient Warriors' bit in WD suggests just that.

I would love for dreads to be more useful, but I already have my metal Bjorn (who is my oldest painted miniature with the same paint job from the beginning) and don't want to replace him. (Although a sufficiently awesome kit could convince me.)