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why doesnt Bjorn get a venerable sarcophagus?

 Fayric wrote:
I notice they domt display a dreadnought with frost cannon.
Good riddance!
The shield dread will probably pay dearly for the ++ and venerable, and still run in to cc with few attacks and ap2
(and all the stigma of getting a dread in to cc), or just the one shoty arm (I assume it can combine with shield),
making it less than optimal for anything.
The ironclad would still be superior with its simple av 13.

Unless there is some new shiny rules involved.

I do hope you can take the Storm Shield by itself.
If so I am thinking Plasma Cannon/Storm Shield.
3++ Save
50/50 take a wound on a 1 and then a 3++ Save

That is my biggest fear as well. The dreads while looking cool will still be over coated by 25 points and usually underperform on the battlefield when compared to most anything else for the same points.

So when do we have to wait to see the Whitedwarf and pre-order page on GW?

 wana10 wrote:
Maybe one of the fans of axe-dread can help me out here; how is it supposed to hit anything not a vehicle with that axe?

Dreadnoughts actually have a pretty decent amount of movement. Plus the giant shield he's carrying will probably hurt too if he smashes someone with it.

This coming Saturday no doubt.

Chad Warden wrote:
why doesnt Bjorn get a venerable sarcophagus?

Umm cause not all venerable dreadnoughts look the same perhaps?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 wana10 wrote:
Maybe one of the fans of axe-dread can help me out here; how is it supposed to hit anything not a vehicle with that axe?

Dreadnoughts actually have a pretty decent amount of movement. Plus the giant shield he's carrying will probably hurt too if he smashes someone with it.

Ah, didn't realize the shoulder had such a range of motion. it's always been modeled as a more restricted up down motion. Thank you.

Well, Bjorn looks great, but those other dreads are just daft. I never liked the design of the venerable sarcophagus, and exposed head doesn't make it any better. And dreads that already have weapons for hands holding weapons in their hands just looks goofy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is from someone I know on another forum. Really made me laugh:

white_rabbit wrote:I can normally be relied upon for a calm and rational response to the daftness. I am going to restrain myself here...

But head sticking out of the sarcophagus is the single most feth-stupid model idea GW have ever produced.

I could just about deal with the face-mask on the Furioso Librarian, as its easy to paint it as a simple Deathmask ornament.

But an actual head protruding out of it, which isn't actually a fething Daemon/fethed up chaos Dready?

Get the feth away from me, you colossal idiots. How do you not know your own background? Its actually worse than the Dow2 thing, where the ex-captain is bumping against the aquari...sorry, the view port.

Said the same thing earlier.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid!

 wana10 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 wana10 wrote:
Maybe one of the fans of axe-dread can help me out here; how is it supposed to hit anything not a vehicle with that axe?

Dreadnoughts actually have a pretty decent amount of movement. Plus the giant shield he's carrying will probably hurt too if he smashes someone with it.

Ah, didn't realize the shoulder had such a range of motion. it's always been modeled as a more restricted up down motion. Thank you.

They have traditionally been modelled like that, but I think the new axe/claw models are a step away from this and better represent the motion Dreads can produce.

I think the Imperium would be losing an awful lot more Dreadnoughts if they just had up/down movement lol.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is from someone I know on another forum. Really made me laugh:

white_rabbit wrote:I can normally be relied upon for a calm and rational response to the daftness. I am going to restrain myself here...

But head sticking out of the sarcophagus is the single most feth-stupid model idea GW have ever produced.

I could just about deal with the face-mask on the Furioso Librarian, as its easy to paint it as a simple Deathmask ornament.

But an actual head protruding out of it, which isn't actually a fething Daemon/fethed up chaos Dready?

Get the feth away from me, you colossal idiots. How do you not know your own background? Its actually worse than the Dow2 thing, where the ex-captain is bumping against the aquari...sorry, the view port.

Well, at one point I wanted to convert an Angry Marine Dreadnought where the guy inside wants to get out to punch the enemy in the face. This isn't that far away - though I guess the conversion would look better.

The new Dreads look the part, except for the bare head. Unless the Mark of the Wulfen drives them so crazy they forget what a sniper is.

And what if his nose itches?

If it was me, I'd have modelled it with some sort of snarling wolf's head option. In fact that's what I'd recommend instead- Iron Priest head from the new flyer kit or the wolf shaped helmet you get with the Grey Hunters box

Got a decent look at Murderfangs head. (my phone, for whatever reason has an amazing zoom feature.)

His head is definitely a Wulfen head.

That makes me happy.

Also kind of explains why no helmet is on him. I just hope he has a invulnerable save.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Chad Warden wrote:
why doesnt Bjorn get a venerable sarcophagus?

Umm cause not all venerable dreadnoughts look the same perhaps?

Exactly, and if you own the Venerable Dreadnought box, you'll notice the normal sarcophagus is also official for Venerables(it's one of the options in the box).

 Fezman wrote:
The new Dreads look the part, except for the bare head. Unless the Mark of the Wulfen drives them so crazy they forget what a sniper is.

And what if his nose itches?

Or something as simple as a tyranid ripper or anything small that has teeth and can climb. He's dead meat.

Ah well, it's the only thing that I haven't liked so far this release, and it's a minor problem.

Ice claws are sexy as hell. If there ever were SW bits I wanted badly, those bits are the ice claws.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Ice claws are sexy as hell. If there ever were SW bits I wanted badly, those bits are the ice claws.

Really? I thought they're a pretty silly idea... IMO anyways.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Ice claws are sexy as hell. If there ever were SW bits I wanted badly, those bits are the ice claws.

Really? I thought they're a pretty silly idea... IMO anyways.

It's a YMMV thing. In my case, I'm a complete sucker for anything "ice-weapon" related in any setting: Frost sword, frost claws, ice dragons, blizzard spells; You get the idea. So, gigantic Ice Claws for me = "YES, OH YES!"

re exposed head:


its no sillier then guys going into combat with no helmets, or the whole concepts of elves, orks, magical warp powers and so on in space.

looks cooler then staring at a blank armour plate IMO

I have to say I like Bjorn, hes an update to an iconic model that has aged well but the two new variants are left wanting in my eyes.

I am happy to get the rules which sound boss, and I can see why others like them. The bare head is silly but you can always use Bjorns sarcophagus cover. I like his claw more then the ice ones too. I imagine bits ordering a second would remedy any issues with murderfang easily enough.

Still really want a 360 for the axe/ss variety though. Not a fan of the dreadfist holding an axe but meh, I can change that.

Did I miss a link with the cost of the ven shield dread?


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 easysauce wrote:
re exposed head:


its no sillier then guys going into combat with no helmets, or the whole concepts of elves, orks, magical warp powers and so on in space.

looks cooler then staring at a blank armour plate IMO

I think you aren't acknowledging the fact that the very same people that find Murderfangs exposed head silly ALSO find other exposed marine heads silly.

But as I said before it is extra parts, so no need to sweat it, just use the mark V shield.

I give a little leeway because it appears to be a wulfen entombed

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Ice claws are sexy as hell. If there ever were SW bits I wanted badly, those bits are the ice claws.

Really? I thought they're a pretty silly idea... IMO anyways.

It's a YMMV thing. In my case, I'm a complete sucker for anything "ice-weapon" related in any setting: Frost sword, frost claws, ice dragons, blizzard spells; You get the idea. So, gigantic Ice Claws for me = "YES, OH YES!"

Living in Maine I can tell you from an experienced childhood of freezing ice weapons in winter and terrifying the neighbors that ice makes for terrible weapons in practice. I know its "alien" but its hard for me to suspend my disbelief on that front. To me I can't break the image of his claws snapping mid swing Crystals are something I am inexperienced with however


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Triszin wrote:
I give a little leeway because it appears to be a wulfen entombed

IMO more reason to cover that mug and unplug his VOX if he was in my company.

Maybe they tried to put a helmet on him, but he just sat there, kinda like how, when you put a box over a cat.

so they were like, off with the helmet.

So... Murderfang looks ok. I do like the blinged-up look for Space Wolf dreads.

Bjorn is still rocking.

The axe-dread looks ridiculous. The storm shield is awesome, but dreads holding oversized weapons in their fists just looks wrong. It can work on the Contemptor chassis, but on regular dreads they just look awkward. Would much rather have seen the axe built into the elbow joint, replacing the hand.

 Red Corsair wrote:

I think you aren't acknowledging the fact that the very same people that find Murderfangs exposed head silly ALSO find other exposed marine heads silly.

not really I am sure they do find that silly, i just mean that there really is a very short list of "non silly" stuff in 40k, as everything about anything in this game is silly if you try to be literal with it... im sure the people who find exposed heads silly find this silly as well, and are the same ones who cant get over the whole "flying brick aesthetics" and so on.

every weapon thats not a basic knife, rock, or choppa seems to only work with pretend silly magic/tech.


rocket powered + conventionally propelled bolter bullets that explode, cool, but totally unrealistic and silly... same with how 99% of people do not model on a single extra mag to their marines, but at least exposed heads look cool.

one mans rule of cool being another ones "thats too silly" and all that.

either way, they can models stuff to not be like that pretty easily so its a moot point, I mean, hey I find the dreadknight model to be a bit silly in that it has the operator unenclosed and right in front, So i just model it to look cooler IMO with everything internalized.

I am really hoping that the model itself has the range of motion increased for more posing too, that would be great,

same with costing of the SS, as that is just so good to have I cant imagine not taking it.

I loves wolves but that dread with a axe is pretty lame. WTF is the point of the hand when they can just attach a axe not to mention seeing where your hitting. It would be like r2d2 trying to stab you miss back up and forward again.

Considering I built a BA Librarian dread with hands for the force staff I'm cool with it. Plus it's a DREADNOUGHT with a STORMSHIELD!!!!! Rule of cool does apply sometimes.

OgreChubbs wrote:
I loves wolves but that dread with a axe is pretty lame. WTF is the point of the hand when they can just attach a axe not to mention seeing where your hitting. It would be like r2d2 trying to stab you miss back up and forward again.

Greater reach would be my first thought. Plus Dreadnoughts have a pretty good set of autosenses and instruments.Again- Dreadnoughts are not limited to up/down arm movements..