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2014/07/16 13:13:40
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
Oh him, that guy who was a really good General for the rebels, got shat on repeatedly by the rebels, and so decided feth it going back to Britain?
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2014/07/16 13:15:46
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
MrDwhitey wrote: I find it amusing that the idea is all traitors are automatically bad.
Benedict Arnold was a pretty decent bloke. Not his fault everyone in the Continental Army treated him like gak. I'd switch sides too if I saved America a few times and didn't get a single thank you.
YOU sir, are a Benedict Arnold!
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Oh him, that guy who was a really good General for the rebels, got shat on repeatedly by the rebels, and so decided feth it going back to Britain?
Aw come on XD Why you guys gotta steal my smarty pants moment from me twice!
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Yes it's a good thing Slavery was abolished, but that flag is not a symbol of Slavery or slave owners or even racists.
Yes it is... When it was designed, it was designed to embody "the destiny of the Southern master and his African slave". If you want to have a symbol of the all encompassing issues of the south at the time... the actual flag which was used for a majority of the civil war would be "Stars and Bars". So if you want to express southern pride, not slavery... then using the Southern cross is the wrong thing to use because it means slavery and only slavery and was not primarily used in the civil war as the unified flag of the confederacy.
Also, the only reason anyone uses the 'battle standard' as a representation of the confederate flag is because when forced integration of schools happened, they took down the american flag and put up the battle standard as a message of refusal to integrate.
So to say the southern cross has any other origins or meanings than oppression and racism, you are 100% wrong on every step and are re-inventing history to allow you to display your racism in public but pretend you are not. *wink*
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2014/07/16 13:24:37
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
MrDwhitey wrote: Oh him, that guy who was a really good General for the rebels, got shat on repeatedly by the rebels, and so decided feth it going back to Britain?
Benedict Arnold, I say!
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2014/07/16 13:28:34
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
generalgrog wrote: I think you misunderstood my point. Of course they would pack up and fight to defend their homes. But Frazzled is implying that doing so makes them traitors. So in order to satisfy his narrow view of patriotism, all southerners should have left families, property, generational ties and joined the union.
Any rational person knows that would happen quite rarely.
By the way frazzled makes the term traitor meaningless the way he is using it.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were patriots not traitors. Much like Robert e lee.
They didn't have to leave, they just didn't have to fight for the rebels.
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MrDwhitey wrote: I find it amusing that the idea is all traitors are automatically bad.
Frankly if someone betrayed Hitler, they would be a traitor. Wouldn't make them a bad person in my eyes.
In the instance we're discussing though, these traitors were defending a system thats just this side of Hitler.
Hah righteous Godwin. Mark your cards boys.
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2014/07/16 13:36:07
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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2014/07/16 13:46:07
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
In the words of my great great great great great great great grandpa "Curse you English!"
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2014/07/16 14:09:06
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
@Sharkoutofwata; the Civil War was about slavery 100% of the time. Not every Confederate soldier owned slaves (most did not) and many thought they were fighting for whatever reasons they had come up with to give them the excuse, but ALL of the political and economic motivations behind the war can be directly traced back to slavery. ALL of them. 100% of the time. Therefore, the Civil War was about slavery and the symbols of the Confederacy are symbols of the support of slavery. One hundred and fifty years later, those symbols are still symbols of the support of slavery. If you fly the Confederate flag you either actively support slavery, or you are ignorant and uneducated about the Civil War, in which case you probably shouldn't leave the house. Sorry.
@ EveryonewhowastalkingaboutSwatstikas...
The Swatstika used by the Nazis is a different symbol than the Buddhist symbol that comes from Asia (that is known in Japan as the 'Manji'). The Nazi symbol is oriented counter-clockwise and is slanted. The manji is oriented clockwise and is not slanted. To the average person, they look the same, but they are not. The swatstika is not a case of "one symbol; two meanings" its a case of "two similar but different symbols with two totally different meanings".
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2014/07/16 14:12:44
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
@Sharkoutofwata; the Civil War was about slavery 100% of the time. Not every Confederate soldier owned slaves (most did not) and many thought they were fighting for whatever reasons they had come up with to give them the excuse, but ALL of the political and economic motivations behind the war can be directly traced back to slavery. ALL of them. 100% of the time. Therefore, the Civil War was about slavery and the symbols of the Confederacy are symbols of the support of slavery. One hundred and fifty years later, those symbols are still symbols of the support of slavery. If you fly the Confederate flag you either actively support slavery, or you are ignorant and uneducated about the Civil War, in which case you probably shouldn't leave the house. Sorry.
@ EveryonewhowastalkingaboutSwatstikas...
The Swatstika used by the Nazis is a different symbol than the Buddhist symbol that comes from Asia (that is known in Japan as the 'Manji'). The Nazi symbol is oriented counter-clockwise and is slanted. The manji is oriented clockwise and is not slanted. To the average person, they look the same, but they are not. The swatstika is not a case of "one symbol; two meanings" its a case of "two similar but different symbols with two totally different meanings".
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Right, it would be as if the flag of a horrible war was a 'cross' flag LIKE the confederate flag but not the same and people get too confused so people stopped using it. In this case, the actual flag was designed to articulate slavery in the design, over a war about slavery and still is used in modern times as a symbol of discrimination and hate.
I wonder how it would go over if germans used the swastika as a symbol of 'german pride' and 'german history'? Not well.
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2014/07/16 14:29:25
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
I wonder how it would go over if germans used the swastika as a symbol of 'german pride' and 'german history'? Not well.
They can't, its against German law to display the swastika or any other Nazi symbol AFAIK. That is why the extremist groups in Germany have adopted the German Empire flag as their symbol, like Witzkatz said.
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2014/07/16 15:13:00
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
I wonder how it would go over if germans used the swastika as a symbol of 'german pride' and 'german history'? Not well.
They can't, its against German law to display the swastika or any other Nazi symbol AFAIK. That is why the extremist groups in Germany have adopted the German Empire flag as their symbol, like Witzkatz said.
Aye, it is actually forbidden by law to use or display the Swastika, or "Hakenkreuz" as it is called here. Officially, it's also forbidden to shout "Heil Hitler" in public, too, basically. The law is roughly called "Use of markings of unconstitutional organizations" and strictly enforced, there can be jail time for displaying Swastikas in public.
I think we had a discussion about freedom of speech concerning these circumstances and the pros and cons of forbidding things like this, but that's how Germany dealt with the situation.
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2014/07/16 15:14:15
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
Hakenkreuz, sounds like something you do when you have the flu.
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2014/07/16 15:33:42
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
That flag is a symbol of rebels, separatists, and traitors who turned against this nation and its union. For that reason alone it should not be displayed in any official capacity by any loyal US government body or organization, regardless of status as Federal, State, or Local entity. If a private entity or organization wants to display it, then by all means they are free to do so, but if they regard it as a symbol of 'southern pride', then clearly their definition of 'southern pride' correlates with secession, and I will judge them as such. End of story.
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2014/07/16 16:27:51
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
Frazzled wrote: Hakenkreuz, sounds like something you do when you have the flu.
Oh, you need the Fussbodenschleifmaschinenverleih for a proper flu!
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2014/07/16 16:51:43
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
generalgrog wrote: I think you misunderstood my point. Of course they would pack up and fight to defend their homes. But Frazzled is implying that doing so makes them traitors. So in order to satisfy his narrow view of patriotism, all southerners should have left families, property, generational ties and joined the union.
Any rational person knows that would happen quite rarely.
By the way frazzled makes the term traitor meaningless the way he is using it.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were patriots not traitors. Much like Robert e lee.
They didn't have to leave, they just didn't have to fight for the rebels.
Mark your calenders, I agree with Frazzled.
Also, GW and TJ fought for being free from tyranny. Lee fought so he didnt have to pay people to do work for them
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2014/07/16 17:07:12
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
Lee wasn't a slaveowner... caveat: he was from 1857-1862 when he inherited his father-in-laws property, the slaves were emancipated by him in 1862. He also supported emancipation as a military measure to provide additional bodies for the Confederate war effort.
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2014/07/16 17:09:04
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
generalgrog wrote: I think you misunderstood my point. Of course they would pack up and fight to defend their homes. But Frazzled is implying that doing so makes them traitors. So in order to satisfy his narrow view of patriotism, all southerners should have left families, property, generational ties and joined the union.
Any rational person knows that would happen quite rarely.
By the way frazzled makes the term traitor meaningless the way he is using it.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were patriots not traitors. Much like Robert e lee.
They didn't have to leave, they just didn't have to fight for the rebels.
Mark your calenders, I agree with Frazzled.
Also, GW and TJ fought for being free from tyranny. Lee fought so he didnt have to pay people to do work for them
Ask these guys about Nathan Bedford Forrest. They'll tell you how brilliant he was, but usually leave the part about murdering union soldiers and that whole starting the Klan thing...
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2014/07/16 17:09:06
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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2014/07/16 17:14:22
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
You don't know what the inside of a dentist's office looks like?
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2014/07/16 17:14:57
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
Guess what is suspiciously missing on the new "Dukes of Hazard" commercial?
How do you shoot an entire car chase from angles that block the view of the 'roof' of the car to either not show the confederate flag or to see it is obviously missing? Bravo!
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2014/07/16 17:18:05
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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2014/07/16 18:11:17
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
chaos0xomega wrote: Lee wasn't a slaveowner... caveat: he was from 1857-1862 when he inherited his father-in-laws property, the slaves were emancipated by him in 1862. He also supported emancipation as a military measure to provide additional bodies for the Confederate war effort.
Still, he faught for the rights of people to own slaves
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2014/07/16 18:17:49
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
chaos0xomega wrote: Lee wasn't a slaveowner... caveat: he was from 1857-1862 when he inherited his father-in-laws property, the slaves were emancipated by him in 1862. He also supported emancipation as a military measure to provide additional bodies for the Confederate war effort.
Still, he faught for the rights of people to own slaves
Exactly. That's what all the revisionists and apologists forget. The reasons behind the war were all about slavery. Even if you didn't own slaves, if you joined the Confederacy and shot at Union soldiers, you were fighting for slavery. It doesn't matter what idiotic excuse you came up with to let you sleep at night; you were trying to kill other people so that a man with a lot more money than you would ever see didn't have to pay the people who worked for him.
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2014/07/16 18:21:28
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
They didn't have to leave, they just didn't have to fight for the rebels.
I bet that would do wonders when General Shermans March to Sea burned down everything in its path.
If fewer people had supported the Confederacy, Sherman wouldn't have been forced to set everything on fire.
It was his original plan to start burning and looting, he didn't exactly try anything else beyond 'murder the hell out of the south'
Allow me to clarify: If fewer people had supported the Confederacy, the war would have been over before Sherman got the opportunity to set everything on fire.
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2014/07/16 18:24:47
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
They didn't have to leave, they just didn't have to fight for the rebels.
I bet that would do wonders when General Shermans March to Sea burned down everything in its path.
If fewer people had supported the Confederacy, Sherman wouldn't have been forced to set everything on fire.
It was his original plan to start burning and looting, he didn't exactly try anything else beyond 'murder the hell out of the south'
Allow me to clarify: If fewer people had supported the Confederacy, the war would have been over before Sherman got the opportunity to set everything on fire.
Considering how many people were also fighting for the rights of the state's over the governments issues within the south and north, which was generally benefitting the north in most cases when it came down to economic policies, many people wouldn't have ended up fighting for the Confederacy when many's livelyhoods were being broken by the Tariffs.
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2014/07/16 18:28:50
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
They didn't have to leave, they just didn't have to fight for the rebels.
I bet that would do wonders when General Shermans March to Sea burned down everything in its path.
If fewer people had supported the Confederacy, Sherman wouldn't have been forced to set everything on fire.
It was his original plan to start burning and looting, he didn't exactly try anything else beyond 'murder the hell out of the south'
No murder the hell out of the South is killing everything living within reach. Sherman was a lightweight.* *For reference see destruction of the Plains Indians for how the Union Army really practiced "murder the hell out of" an enemy.
If no one joined the Confederate Army it would never have been an issue.
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2014/07/16 18:34:17
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
Looks like we got some Southern revisionism going on!
States rights. Rights to own slaves. Np.
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