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I've noticed a number of people grumbling about certain supplements and bemoaning the absence of others. Well, what supplements do people want? I'm genuinely curious.

For example, I've noticed the less than hidden annoyance that old Necron fans have for the new Necron fluff. I think a C'tan supplement meant for running C'tan controlled Necron forces would help.

A Sanctuary 101 apocalypse supplement.

A supplement with the rules and options to customize and create your own guard regiment. I think that would be very cool. Hopefully it would encourage themed armies and encourage people to branch out beyond cadians etc. Could be a great source of inspiration.

Tons.

For CSM, god specific supplements and chaos undivided/faithless veterans getting supplements. Bonus if one is made for a truly renegade experience, sacrificing some units but gaining some more standard Imperial choices. If we wish to go the entire way, legion supplements would be pleasant introducing ways to actually field legionesque armies.

As per guardsman, frankly anything that isn't Cadian is fine with me. Catachan makes logical sense even if I don't like them that much. More importantly, supplements for the big regiments that got tossed aside in terms of fluff. A big boon to me is a Lost and the Damned supplement. Fits the lore even if it wouldn't capture the full breadth of the Lost and the Damned (as it would really only be traitor guard. Still better than just cultists with little options).

Necrons basically you said the one thingg. Something for at least some dynasties that stick to C'tan.

SoB, I'd rather there be an updated codex that provides them what they need (including anti-air)

Space Marines. I can't think of too much here. I suppose supplements for the founding chapters to give more specialized options and rules would be my preferred answer. This is a faction I wouldn't mind them making supplements for some minor factions.

Space Wolves. Really there's only one that sounds like it's worth it and it's the 13th.

Blood Angels, Lamentors is my biggest intrigue really.

Ork Cults, Eldar Craftworlds, etc.

 Swastakowey wrote:
A supplement with the rules and options to customize and create your own guard regiment. I think that would be very cool. Hopefully it would encourage themed armies and encourage people to branch out beyond cadians etc. Could be a great source of inspiration.

That's not a "supplement". That's you wanting an entirely different book--because apparently you can't actually "customize or create" your own Guard Regiment using the current book...which is actually pretty good for choice.

I want a Cadian supplement. Set it during the outset of the 13th Black Crusade, when things were just starting to hit the fan.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
A supplement with the rules and options to customize and create your own guard regiment. I think that would be very cool. Hopefully it would encourage themed armies and encourage people to branch out beyond cadians etc. Could be a great source of inspiration.

That's not a "supplement". That's you wanting an entirely different book--because apparently you can't actually "customize or create" your own Guard Regiment using the current book...which is actually pretty good for choice.

I want a Cadian supplement. Set it during the outset of the 13th Black Crusade, when things were just starting to hit the fan.

Well except that it only represents Cadians rather well

Heck, even if I don't care for Catachans, it's silly that they wear shirts and get a 5+. Then you have losses such as Al'rheim who really did give a certain feel to a force.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
A supplement with the rules and options to customize and create your own guard regiment. I think that would be very cool. Hopefully it would encourage themed armies and encourage people to branch out beyond cadians etc. Could be a great source of inspiration.

That's not a "supplement". That's you wanting an entirely different book--because apparently you can't actually "customize or create" your own Guard Regiment using the current book...which is actually pretty good for choice.

I want a Cadian supplement. Set it during the outset of the 13th Black Crusade, when things were just starting to hit the fan.

How is it not a supplement?

Craftworld eldar was a supplement? Its pretty similar.

And no I cant make a lot of things in the guard book. If I want to make a stealth army I am forced to take Veterans. If I want to make an army if ill fated peasants who just go their first gun, I have to take a platoon of 25 men to get that. I have to take mechanized artillery and so forth. There is not that much I can do to make my regiment different to yours rule wise.

It also does little to encourage new ideas and cool themes. I know of plenty of people who ahve given up on amazing regiment ideas because the codex would punish them for it, or make it difficult to stick to the theme.

I know that as a guard player I would love to see supplements like catachan, steel legion, chem dogs, valhallan, the list goes on, and I know (while unlikely) people would freak at just the mention of an IG skitarii book. Take those engineseers and make yourself a Magos!

THOUSAND SONS SUPPLEMENT! Was just going to make a thread about this.

Anyone hear rumors of a Thousand Sons book? F212 said something about a book for each god coming out late Spring/early Summer 2014 but that hasn't happened of course.

 Ir0njack wrote:
I know that as a guard player I would love to see supplements like catachan, steel legion, chem dogs, valhallan, the list goes on, and I know (while unlikely) people would freak at just the mention of an IG skitarii book. Take those engineseers and make yourself a Magos!

So much potential in doing supplements like this too. I think I saw those skitarri in the 3rd edition codex on that page with all the regiments. So cool.

Easily the best 2 pages of lore ever written in my opinion.

 changerofways wrote:
THOUSAND SONS SUPPLEMENT! Was just going to make a thread about this.

Anyone hear rumors of a Thousand Sons book? F212 said something about a book for each god coming out late Spring/early Summer 2014 but that hasn't happened of course.

I'll believe that they will make a Thousand Son supplement the day that Thousand Sons are actually a good unit. Heck, I'll give them a greater chance by saying when they make the Mark of Tzeentch worthwile, or, well anything CSM Tzeentch

Maybe I'm silly, but how about a supplement to C:SM for the relatively recent renegade marines who haven't found troves of twin linked bolters and still have more of things that breakdown by the time they go full chaos.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
THOUSAND SONS SUPPLEMENT! Was just going to make a thread about this.

Anyone hear rumors of a Thousand Sons book? F212 said something about a book for each god coming out late Spring/early Summer 2014 but that hasn't happened of course.

I'll believe that they will make a Thousand Son supplement the day that Thousand Sons are actually a good unit. Heck, I'll give them a greater chance by saying when they make the Mark of Tzeentch worthwile, or, well anything CSM Tzeentch

Wouldn't that be half the purpose of a Thousand Son supplement?

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
A supplement with the rules and options to customize and create your own guard regiment. I think that would be very cool. Hopefully it would encourage themed armies and encourage people to branch out beyond cadians etc. Could be a great source of inspiration.

That's not a "supplement". That's you wanting an entirely different book--because apparently you can't actually "customize or create" your own Guard Regiment using the current book...which is actually pretty good for choice.

I want a Cadian supplement. Set it during the outset of the 13th Black Crusade, when things were just starting to hit the fan.

Well except that it only represents Cadians rather well

I don't know where you get that impression. Yeah, it has mostly Cadian characters. So what?

You can use Creed or Kell or Pask(read: three of the six characters in the IG book if you choose to count Creed and Kell separate; which is just cherrypicking since when introduced you could not field them separately) as the basis for your own character with similar skills or backgrounds.

Heck, even if I don't care for Catachans, it's silly that they wear shirts and get a 5+. Then you have losses such as Al'rheim who really did give a certain feel to a force.

Al'Rahem did not give "a certain feel to a force". His rule applied to a single Platoon. And it was just Outflank for the Platoon elements.

There seems to be a lot of rose tinted glass memories about the previous two Guard books. Did we lose variety going from one to the other? Yeah. I'm still annoyed that Grenadiers was changed from "Take a Stormtrooper Squad as Troops" to the "You pay for Carapace Armor and nothing else" nonsense that happened two books ago.

But let's not pretend there is a huge amount of stuff that was lost out to the point of "making it Cadians only".

zeromaeus wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
THOUSAND SONS SUPPLEMENT! Was just going to make a thread about this.

Anyone hear rumors of a Thousand Sons book? F212 said something about a book for each god coming out late Spring/early Summer 2014 but that hasn't happened of course.

I'll believe that they will make a Thousand Son supplement the day that Thousand Sons are actually a good unit. Heck, I'll give them a greater chance by saying when they make the Mark of Tzeentch worthwile, or, well anything CSM Tzeentch

Wouldn't that be half the purpose of a Thousand Son supplement?

Did Black Legion make chosen good? Or did it instead make them worse?

 StarTrotter wrote:
Blood Angels, Lamentors is my biggest intrigue really.

That'd be pretty cool, actually.

As said earlier, I'd LOVE some Ork Klan supplements. My army is kind of a hodge podge of the Klanz, but I'd love to be able to tailor it to a single Klan type, and get neato little bonuses for sticking to the theme. My basic premise is, I love options. The more ways I can run my army, the better. Keeping the game interesting is king.

A Catachan supplement would make me really happy.

Would like to see a Catachan supplement.

zeromaeus wrote:
I've noticed a number of people grumbling about certain supplements and bemoaning the absence of others. Well, what supplements do people want? I'm genuinely curious.

Campaign supplements like Sanctus Reach (a wonderful book), available in stores, with tie-in miniature releases/campaign boxes.

And a Legion book.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
A supplement with the rules and options to customize and create your own guard regiment. I think that would be very cool. Hopefully it would encourage themed armies and encourage people to branch out beyond cadians etc. Could be a great source of inspiration.

That's not a "supplement". That's you wanting an entirely different book--because apparently you can't actually "customize or create" your own Guard Regiment using the current book...which is actually pretty good for choice.

I want a Cadian supplement. Set it during the outset of the 13th Black Crusade, when things were just starting to hit the fan.

Well except that it only represents Cadians rather well

I don't know where you get that impression. Yeah, it has mostly Cadian characters. So what?

You can use Creed or Kell or Pask(read: three of the six characters in the IG book if you choose to count Creed and Kell separate; which is just cherrypicking since when introduced you could not field them separately) as the basis for your own character with similar skills or backgrounds.

Heck, even if I don't care for Catachans, it's silly that they wear shirts and get a 5+. Then you have losses such as Al'rheim who really did give a certain feel to a force.

Al'Rahem did not give "a certain feel to a force". His rule applied to a single Platoon. And it was just Outflank for the Platoon elements.

There seems to be a lot of rose tinted glass memories about the previous two Guard books. Did we lose variety going from one to the other? Yeah. I'm still annoyed that Grenadiers was changed from "Take a Stormtrooper Squad as Troops" to the "You pay for Carapace Armor and nothing else" nonsense that happened two books ago.

But let's not pretend there is a huge amount of stuff that was lost out to the point of "making it Cadians only".

It's more because of the fluff that irks me. I mean seriously, look at the fluff for anything that isn't catachan or cadian and it hurts.

I for one would like to see several guard themed supplements.

First: a supplement adding in a few 'missing' vehicles to the Astra Militarum codex, such as the Medusa, Colossus, and Griffon, as well as vehicles like the Salamander command vehicle. Maybe call it AM: Big Guns supplement, or AM: Artillery Supplement.

Second: A few supplements for some of the major non-Cadian regiments. Mordian, Valhallan, Tallarn, and Vostroyan. Maybe add a special character for each of these factions of some kind (Some already exist, such as for Valhallan, and Tallarn, etc)

As an aside, I feel like Catachan forces are represented pretty well in the current codex with Straken and Harker, etc.

Steel Legion is also pretty easy to represent with the addition of good old Commissar Yarrik + lots of mechanized units.

Honestly, the current codex does a pretty good job of allowing your the freedom to field a lot of various units in different ways to represent a specific regiment. Would I like some more specific rules? Sure, but I understand that can lead to (even more) imbalance.

I like that I can field an army of Veteran squads with Carapace upgrade for my Vostroyan army, with Carapace on the command squad as well. I feel like that allows me to represent my force as a unique Regiment, distinct from Cadians fairly well personally. An army of veteran soldiers, with above average armor, and weapons (Which accounts for the +1 BS that veterans get, in my mind anyway).

Just my opinion on that. Thanks for reading.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
I for one would like to see several guard themed supplements.

First: a supplement adding in a few 'missing' vehicles to the Astra Militarum codex, such as the Medusa, Colossus, and Griffon, as well as vehicles like the Salamander command vehicle. Maybe call it AM: Big Guns supplement, or AM: Artillery Supplement.

That exists though. IA:Volume One, second edition is all about guard tanks. I doubt GW would cover the EXACT same material.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

zeromaeus wrote:
I've noticed a number of people grumbling about certain supplements and bemoaning the absence of others. Well, what supplements do people want? I'm genuinely curious.

Campaign supplements like Sanctus Reach (a wonderful book), available in stores, with tie-in miniature releases/campaign boxes.

And a Legion book.

I agree. Supplements are cool, but if it came down to campaign or faction supplements, I pick campaigns. And if those campaign books happen to contain things for the factions presented (see; data sheets) then that is even better.

What supplement we get doesn't matter so much to me as the quality of the supplements. I've found them all very lacking in the rules presented especially for the price asked. They generally contain recycled fluff and a few lines of minor modifications to an existing army plus a warlord table and some relics which I find to be complete gak for a "supplement" tbh.

As for ideal supplements, mono god chaos supplements bringing a lot of detail to each flavour of chaos would be great.

I want an Imperial Guard: Volume 2 supplement thingy.

It could include rules for abhman forces and penal legions. It could also provide alternate army lists for PDF Forces (infantry, special forces, and low-tech native conscripts), The Lost and the Damned (Chaos-aligned, with mutants), and a few other things. I'd be very careful to make sure that to get something special, you lose something. So for example, an army with abhumans wouldn't be given the heavy artillery and a more limited selection of tanks and potential allies.

I'd like to see:
DEATHWATCH SUPPLEMENT!! With Ordo Xenos Inquisitor HQs, Watch Relics, Sternguard and Vanguard as Troops for the whole list, plus other stuff. Basically, Grey Knights against xenos (as per fluff)
Imperial Guard supplement, but literally just having an entry for a certain faction, the extra rules for them and units on one or two pages, then another Regiment/combat style. Also including less well known regiments, so ending up with a pretty large list of Regiments and Doctrines
Space Marine Renegades, so Codex:Space Marines, but with Daemon weapons, maybe with some access to Chaos marks (only on Command Squads, HQs and Elites choices??) and no Oblits/Multilators/Forgefiends/Maulerfiends/Heldrakes and a rule on things like Storm Bolters, Storm Shields, Thunder Hammers, Centurion Warsuits, Conversion Beamers and any other items that CSM don't have that maybe makes them slightly worse, so a malfunction rule?

Space Marine renegades and Iron Warriors.

Also, Traitor Guard.

Any non-Iyanden Eldar. So much awesome out there, but everything in the new codex seemed to be Iyanden, and then they *also* got a supplement. While any right-thinking Eldar who respects their dead gets nothing (aside from blatantly OP rules in WAAC list.

Harlequins.

Basically some level of rules that makes them into the super elite Eldar they are supposed to be.

None, until every army has a codex in the same version of the game.