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EXCITING NEW CONTENT ANNOUNCEMENT!

DEMONSTRATION PODS.
Running throughout the day will be a series of interactive demonstration pods allowing you to create your own menu of activities.
Order your ticket

How to paint Special Effects.
Our experts will show you a variety of techniques from weathering tank tracks to blood splatter on your armour.

How to paint Techniques.
Have you always wanted to know how to create fantastic looking freehand designs, paint eyes and gems and other great painting techniques? Then this could be the pod for you.

Plastic Fantastic.
Our resident experts will be on hand to show you how build and pose your plastic models so that they look truly awesome.

and then ....

AN ANCIENT ENEMY RETURNS IN OUR SPECIAL NARRATIVE GAMING FEATURE.

Come along and bear witness to the bloody return of one of the Old World's deadliest foes in our special narrative gaming event.

... you recall all those Return of Nagash rumours that have been doing the rounds.

BRAND NEW STAFF ARMY DISPLAYS FOR SATURDAY.
See some truly magnificent armies being displayed by some of our most talented staff. Not only will you be able to see these amazing forces in the flesh but you will be able to talk to the people who built and painted them!

.. Assuming the same spaces will be used for Golden Demon on the Sunday, hence why these are there for 1 day only.

Tickets available on the GW site.

This is... great... news... I guess?

How to paint special effects; "buy our special effects paint and apply them!"
How to paint Techniques; "buy our regular paints in the Official(tm) Combinations(tm) and apply them!"
Plastic Fantastic; "why buy one of our kits when you can buy several for the bitz? Hey who needs all that 'conversion' stuff anyway, look how conveniently these Space(tm) Marine(tm) bitz glue on to these slightly different Space(tm) Marine(tm) bitz!"

*sigh* It's like GW is inflicting some kind of bizarro-world reverse-Poe's Law on me - I genuinely can't tell anymore if I'm being unfairly cynical or rightfully taking the piss

I dunno, they're offering tutorials and hobby tips at the new games day equivalent. Wasnt the last complaint that games days are just shopping events these days, now hobby content is being added and that isnt right either?

The narrative gaming event is , hopefully, a good sign.

 Melcavuk wrote:
I dunno, they're offering tutorials and hobby tips at the new games day equivalent. Wasnt the last complaint that games days are just shopping events these days, now hobby content is being added and that isnt right either?

Yeah... thats not exactly what poeple were complaining about, when they talk about lack of content. But, i'm guess you already know that.

seriously, GW just can't win with a lot of the fans...
i guess the scales have tipped too far for a lot of people...

i'm just glad that the Golden Demon contest is still going to be around, and it's always nice to chat with the studio guys, so i'm happy that this event is happening...

cheers
jah

If it delivers even part of what is promised it's a big improvement over the games day of the last 2-3 years

will it manage to deliver ?

I guess we'll need to wait and see

...

... Pod...?

Noir wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
I dunno, they're offering tutorials and hobby tips at the new games day equivalent. Wasnt the last complaint that games days are just shopping events these days, now hobby content is being added and that isnt right either?

Yeah... thats not exactly what poeple were complaining about, when they talk about lack of content. But, i'm guess you already know that.

This is still more content, its hobby interaction, its events at the event that involve more than just queueing to save on FW postage. Its an improvement.

Cool, hope they take some pics and add them to Visions so I can enjoy it. As for events, nah I stick to Salute.

 Yodhrin wrote:
How to paint special effects; "buy our special effects paint and apply them!"
How to paint Techniques; "buy our regular paints in the Official(tm) Combinations(tm) and apply them!"
Plastic Fantastic; "why buy one of our kits when you can buy several for the bitz? Hey who needs all that 'conversion' stuff anyway, look how conveniently these Space(tm) Marine(tm) bitz glue on to these slightly different Space(tm) Marine(tm) bitz!"

*sigh* It's like GW is inflicting some kind of bizarro-world reverse-Poe's Law on me - I genuinely can't tell anymore if I'm being unfairly cynical or rightfully taking the piss

They're offering a painting class, why wouldn't they be using their own paints for it? They're offering a conversion class, why wouldn't they be using their kits to show it off? You're being overly cynical here. That would be like looking at the old conversion guides in WD and just exclaiming that it was a corporate shill to buy more kits. Of course it'll make them money, that's kind of their goal, but that's potentially useful hobby content. Watch their painting videos on Youtube. They're actually pretty helpful, even if they stick to GW paints exclusively.

That's a fair enough point, and it's certainly a step in the right direction. But you just know that none of those conversion clinics are going to say 'use a bit of plasticard here' - and for those that can remember that kind of phrase regularly appearing in WD each month (or, in fact still experience it through other outlets) that is always going to be a stumbling block.

 Melcavuk wrote:
I dunno, they're offering tutorials and hobby tips at the new games day equivalent. Wasnt the last complaint that games days are just shopping events these days, now hobby content is being added and that isnt right either?

Well. Depending on how you look at things, GW is so completely gak these days that new The HHHobby content isn't right because it is just more HHHobby gak.

I mean to be fair it will after all be just reasons to shop for GW crap, which as we all know is at best the same as stuff from other sources but a lot more expensive, and at worst more expensive and lower qiality.

Look into your deepest heart of hearts. Do you honestly believe GW is going to charge you £30 to see lots of useful stuff?

 Melcavuk wrote:

Noir wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
I dunno, they're offering tutorials and hobby tips at the new games day equivalent. Wasnt the last complaint that games days are just shopping events these days, now hobby content is being added and that isnt right either?

Yeah... thats not exactly what poeple were complaining about, when they talk about lack of content. But, i'm guess you already know that.

This is still more content, its hobby interaction, its events at the event that involve more than just queueing to save on FW postage. Its an improvement.

Sure its better, but its still worse then before it went to gak in the first place. Still don't change the fact that wasn't what the complaint are about, so impyling we are complaining about GW giving us what we want is, Wrong.

 jah-joshua wrote:
seriously, GW just can't win with a lot of the fans...
i guess the scales have tipped too far for a lot of people...

i'm just glad that the Golden Demon contest is still going to be around, and it's always nice to chat with the studio guys, so i'm happy that this event is happening...

cheers
jah

I was actually semi-serious with my last line there; I want to believe GW will "do the right thing" when this sort of information arises....but I just struggle to given their track record.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
I dunno, they're offering tutorials and hobby tips at the new games day equivalent. Wasnt the last complaint that games days are just shopping events these days, now hobby content is being added and that isnt right either?

Well. Depending on how you look at things, GW is so completely gak these days that new The HHHobby content isn't right because it is just more HHHobby gak.

I mean to be fair it will after all be just reasons to shop for GW crap, which as we all know is at best the same as stuff from other sources but a lot more expensive, and at worst more expensive and lower qiality.

Look into your deepest heart of hearts. Do you honestly believe GW is going to charge you £30 to see lots of useful stuff?

What a surprise. A company runs an event, uses and tries to sell it's own products and promotes it's own stuff... What else do you expect?

They realized Games Day had become something bad, so got rid of it and are trying something new. Rather than saying "Ok. It looks like GW are trying to do something we asked for, giving more content, workshops, games and not just another sales event with no savings, lets see how this pans out" people are just screaming "It's GW! It's going to be gak!". How about just waiting and seeing, and criticizing after the event if it is due?

To be honest I expect a company running an event for promotion of its own goods not to charge visitors for the privilege of going into what is in essence a large pop-up shop.

If the seminars and other stuff are actually good, then obviously that makes a difference for fans, and may justify a ticket price, however as you say we shall have to wait until after the event to find out if GW will have managed to turn over a new leaf in that respect.

Everyone is hopeful that these seminars and demos will be worth the money, but we've seen enough of GW's behaviour to be anything but skeptical. I really hope the painting demos are more than just sales pitches.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
I dunno, they're offering tutorials and hobby tips at the new games day equivalent. Wasnt the last complaint that games days are just shopping events these days, now hobby content is being added and that isnt right either?

Well. Depending on how you look at things, GW is so completely gak these days that new The HHHobby content isn't right because it is just more HHHobby gak.

I mean to be fair it will after all be just reasons to shop for GW crap, which as we all know is at best the same as stuff from other sources but a lot more expensive, and at worst more expensive and lower qiality.

Look into your deepest heart of hearts. Do you honestly believe GW is going to charge you £30 to see lots of useful stuff?

What a surprise. A company runs an event, uses and tries to sell it's own products and promotes it's own stuff... What else do you expect?

They realized Games Day had become something bad, so got rid of it and are trying something new. Rather than saying "Ok. It looks like GW are trying to do something we asked for, giving more content, workshops, games and not just another sales event with no savings, lets see how this pans out" people are just screaming "It's GW! It's going to be gak!". How about just waiting and seeing, and criticizing after the event if it is due?

You get how benefit of the doubt works, right?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
To be honest I expect a company running an event for promotion of its own goods not to charge visitors for the privilege of going into what is in essence a large pop-up shop.

If the seminars and other stuff are actually good, then obviously that makes a difference for fans, and may justify a ticket price, however as you say we shall have to wait until after the event to find out if GW will have managed to turn over a new leaf in that respect.

Yes, exactly!

rex non potest peccare! (thanks H.B.M.C.!) isn't going to cut it anymore (!).

personally, Games Day has only ever been about the Golden Demon competition, a chance to chat with the studio guys, get my hands on the event mini and FW show only models, and catch up with friends...
it sounds like Warhammerfest still has all that...

sure, the days of free grab bags, and event mini included in the cost of the ticket, were nice, but things change and get more expensive every year...
this is true for almost every product i need to live, let alone the luxury items i choose to buy...

i love GW for the art, fluff, and plastics, which are still just as good, to me...
i don't use GW paints and brushes, have never bought a Finecast mini, and get 90% of my stuff (books and minis) at a discount...
i haven't bought a WD or Visions since my suscription ran out in March, nor do i support the crazy "cash-grab" moves that GW makes, so one can see why i am so positive all the time...
i simply buy what i like, most often at a a nice discount, and don't sweat the rest...

i have enjoyed every GW event i've ever been to, so i am glad that they didn't just can the whole thing altogether...
my last Games Day L.A., in 2008, i hung out with Gary Oldman, had my stuff on display in the Demon Lounge, walked away with a few finalist pins, and poured over Jes Goodwin's sketchbooks with Allan Carrasco!!!
yet, people had been saying the Games Day was dead for a few years before 2008 already...

for me, there is no HHHobby, because i never drank the Kool-Aid...
there is just some great art, fun fiction, awesome models, and a lot of good friends...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
brilliant and well received post

The Games Day you describe is one I would go to, and I neither own nor play any GW products. Unfortunately, it appears that type of community outreach isn't really what they are after anymore.

Well I just bought my ticket for the Sunday, figure I might actually enter Golden Daemon this time around as well. An interesting thing I noticed is that the ticket wasn't numbered, so I have no idea how many were sold before mine arrived, interesting.

A lot of people will be very interested to hear your impressions of the event.

I hope you have reserved the bank holiday Monday to write up a report!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
A lot of people will be very interested to hear your impressions of the event.

I hope you have reserved the bank holiday Monday to write up a report!

Don't worry I'll do my best to give a good run-down afterwards!

 Vermis wrote:
...

... Pod...?

Got me head scratching too

Interactive iPod?

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
...

... Pod...?

Got me head scratching too

Interactive iPod?

Maybe like those 'fashion pods' they have at malls? Where you walk through, stare into a mirror, and a GW employee hands you a box that would look absolutely fabulous in front of you on the counter with your credit card ready.

I assume they mean something like this:



rather than the demo's just being a tables which might get swarmed.

http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/

has some details about the various seminars, display pods, early event releases etc etc.


Blood Angel shirt isn't too bad I guess.