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I lost 20 pounds just by cutting soda from my diet. No change in activity level, no other changes to my diet. Dropped 4 inches from my waist. Weight loss has slowed, so I'm looking to start a regular work out schedule. Have an elliptical set up, getting weights soon. My regular schedule is sucky crowded, but I will see if I can squeeze in some lifting time.
2014/07/22 23:54:24
Subject: Re:The rise of obesity in the United States
streamdragon wrote: I lost 20 pounds just by cutting soda from my diet. No change in activity level, no other changes to my diet. Dropped 4 inches from my waist. Weight loss has slowed, so I'm looking to start a regular work out schedule. Have an elliptical set up, getting weights soon. My regular schedule is sucky crowded, but I will see if I can squeeze in some lifting time.
Good for you! Soda is the most worthless thing you can put in your body. More people should follow this example. If you don't think you can adhere to a diet, at least cut out soda.
There is nothing good about who you are or what you do.
Normal bacon is better, but turkey bacon makes less mess, which is better when cooking a quick and easy breakfast. Rest assured, that when it comes to cooking real meals, I'd only use the irreplaceable real thing.
Turkey meat processed into the shape of what is assumed to be an abstract interpretation of bacon. Point is that it makes very little mess and cooks quickly.
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Litcheur wrote: Please enlighten me. Not too fast, please. I'm a slow learner.
I've already explained a very simple concept twice, and have no reason to believe explaining it a third time would serve any purpose.
When, how and where, please?
You said "food isn't everything". Well, it's true. Somehow. But you forgot the corrolary: but there probably isn't a single obesity case that is not closely related to food.
Very simple thermodynamics, really: energy in, energy out, energy storage. Where do our energy come from? Not photosynthesis, but food, food and food.
And you also forgot to tell that these "other causes" overweight people love to focus on are actually relevant for very, very few of them. You use BMI, people will start complaining of the lack of accuracy because "hey, look, that top-athlete is supposed to be overweight too". You talk about food, people start complaining about that über-rare disease. They're not suffering from it, but they complain anyway.
Cold fact: you can stack all the diseases and secondary effects of all the medications you want, you'd have a hard time explaining how the obesity rates have doubled in one generation and how only one third of the american people have an healthy weight. Even with the clinical depression cheat code, you're still stuck to a meager 10%.
Or maybe you can chose to explain obesity with dirty words like processed food, sugar, corn syrup, fat and sedentarity. I can understand why these are less popular explanations among overweight people. These are all things we choose to do, or not to do. Things we choose to eat or not to eat. Things people have to assume, instead of hiding behind some kind of self-diagnosed "hormonal problems".
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2014/07/23 00:51:43
Subject: Re:The rise of obesity in the United States
When I was 23, I could eat 2x extra value meals from [insert fast food franchise] and not gain an ounce. Now, just thinking about cheese cake might cause the beetus!
Well, I can pack away a decent amount of food if I wanted to (I know that my roommate eats literally more than 4 times the amount of food I do, but then again, he works out), but getting used to responsible portions and meal planning when you're young works better in the long run when the metabolism begins to slow down.
2014/07/23 01:19:19
Subject: Re:The rise of obesity in the United States
When I was 23, I could eat 2x extra value meals from [insert fast food franchise] and not gain an ounce. Now, just thinking about cheese cake might cause the beetus!
Yep, I could eat like a frickin pig back when I was in my 20's and even my early 30's it was really easy to keep weight off especially since I was full time athlete. I was easily eating in the range of 5000-6000 calories a day and actually losing weight if I wasn't careful, but I was also training 6-8 hours a day.
39 next month and even with hitting the gym 4-5 days a week and on a 1,500 calorie a day intake my weight barely wants to budge and I eat very sparingly compared to what I used to. When you hit your mid to late 30's there is a very significant change in how your body processes and stores food. (and again in your 50's)
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A University of California, San Diego School of Medicine-led study suggests that parents of obese children often do not recognize the potentially serious health consequences of childhood weight gain or the importance of daily physical activity in helping their child reach a healthy weight.
The study is published online in the Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.
"Parents have a hard time changing their child's dietary and physical activity behaviors," said lead author Kyung Rhee, MD, and an assistant adjunct professor in the Department of Pediatrics. "Our study tells us what factors may be associated with a parent's motivation to help their child become more healthy."
The study is based on a survey of 202 parents whose children were enrolled in an obesity clinic at the Hasbro Children's Hospital in Providence, Rhode Island in 2008 and 2009. The survey probed parents' readiness to take actionable steps to improve their child's eating habits and physical activity levels. The children ranged in age from 5 to 20 years old, with an average age of 13.8 years. More than two-thirds were female, and almost all (94 percent) were clinically classified as obese.
Although most of the children had been referred to the obesity clinic by a primary care provider and had metabolic markers of obesity, 31.4 percent of parents perceived their child's health as excellent or very good and 28 percent did not perceive their child's weight as a health concern.
Parents indicated a greater interest in helping their child eat a healthy diet than encouraging the pediatrician-recommended hour of daily physical activity.
Specifically, 61.4 percent of parents reported that they were improving their child's eating habits (less junk food, more fruits and vegetables) while only 41.1 percent said they were increasing their child's involvement in active play, sports, dancing or even walking. Both diet and exercise are considered keys to good health, and a growing body of evidence suggests that these health habits are formed early in life.
Parents who had talked with their primary care physician about healthy eating strategies were more likely to be in the "action stage of change" with their child's diet. By contrast, parents who viewed their own battle with weight as a health concern were less likely to be addressing their child's eating habits.
The researchers said education, income and race/ethnicity had no statistically significant bearing on a parent's likelihood of making dietary changes for their child.
In terms of physical activity, researchers do not know why parents appear to underemphasize its role in good health, but the finding is consistent with other recent studies that suggest America's youth are largely out-of-shape and sedentary, replacing playtime with "screen time."
Experts say one strategy to counteract the trend may be to intervene early. Parents with children 14 or older were much less likely to be successful in helping their child develop a physical dimension to their life than parents of younger children.
Poverty may also play a role in how much children move on a daily basis, as parents with annual incomes of less than $40,000 were also less likely to be actively engaged in ensuring their child got regular exercise.
2014/07/23 01:39:12
Subject: Re:The rise of obesity in the United States
One thing to note in that study is that the majority of the kids were 13 years old, a lot of kids tend to pack on weight from the time they are 10 until they hit 13-14 years old when they have a massive explosion in growth and often will be at a very healthy weight ratio after their growth spurt is done.
When a 13 year old grows 3-4 inches over a single summer vacation it can radically reshape their body as they may have weighed 130 lbs both before and after but with several more inches in height their weight is now inline with healthy standards were at the same weight but 3-4 inches shorter they were technically overweight.
My whole family had that happen right before our growth spurts, we were on the chubby side prior to our early teen growth spurt but were at a very normal and healthy weight afterwards. I got chubby as hell when I was 11-12 and shortly after 13 I grew like crazy and was a bean pole from that point on, it occurred without any changes in what I was eating as it's part of the way that people's bodies prepare for height and body changes brought on by puberty.
There are certainly children that are truly obese and that no amount of height change will offset their condition, but simply because a kid gains weight in the 10-13 age range doesn't mean it's automatically unhealthy.
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Litcheur wrote: Or maybe you can chose to explain obesity with dirty words like processed food, sugar, corn syrup, fat and sedentarity. I can understand why these are less popular explanations among overweight people. These are all things we choose to do, or not to do. Things we choose to eat or not to eat. Things people have to assume, instead of hiding behind some kind of self-diagnosed "hormonal problems".
It's not a question of popular "excuses", it is a question of there being more than one factor at work in the obesity levels. There is a measurable segment of the overweight and obese population which has some contribution from a medical condition (or medication). Even unrelated medical conditions can have medications which cause significant weight gain (such as anything treated with steroids).
When I was 23, I could eat 2x extra value meals from [insert fast food franchise] and not gain an ounce. Now, just thinking about cheese cake might cause the beetus!
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Litcheur wrote: Or maybe you can chose to explain obesity with dirty words like processed food, sugar, corn syrup, fat and sedentarity. I can understand why these are less popular explanations among overweight people. These are all things we choose to do, or not to do. Things we choose to eat or not to eat. Things people have to assume, instead of hiding behind some kind of self-diagnosed "hormonal problems".
It's not a question of popular "excuses", it is a question of there being more than one factor at work in the obesity levels. There is a measurable segment of the overweight and obese population which has some contribution from a medical condition (or medication). Even unrelated medical conditions can have medications which cause significant weight gain (such as anything treated with steroids).
There's a "measurable level" of female popes too. That they're so extremely rare as to not warrant discussion does not make them unmeasurable. The vast majority of obesity is not related to medical conditions, it's related to diet and exercise (or lack thereof). Your comment, while true, adds very little to the discussion at hand.
Redbeard wrote: Your comment, while true, adds very little to the discussion at hand.
It was a clarification of the point being made and an indication that medically induced obesity exists in a wider population than would be indicated by the relatively few well known medical conditions which can cause weight gain. The notion that medically caused obesity is such a small issue that it is entirely insignificant is as incorrect as there is a significant population who have some kind of impacted weight.
I made no mention as to its relative size to the obese population, simply that one cannot dismiss it because it is "rare" and assume that everyone who is obese is obese because they are lazy cake addicts.
Redbeard wrote: Your comment, while true, adds very little to the discussion at hand.
It was a clarification of the point being made and an indication that medically induced obesity exists in a wider population than would be indicated by the relatively few well known medical conditions which can cause weight gain. The notion that medically caused obesity is such a small issue that it is entirely insignificant is as incorrect as there is a significant population who have some kind of impacted weight.
I made no mention as to its relative size to the obese population, simply that one cannot dismiss it because it is "rare" and assume that everyone who is obese is obese because they are lazy cake addicts.
Except a lot of weight gain due to medication (which is probably larger than for many other types of medically caused weight gain) is not due entirely to the medication.
Many steroids, for example, do not primarily cause weight gain. Water retention and rounding of the face, yes, which can make you appear larger than you actually are but not obesity levels of weight gain. They do increase the appetite and make you feel hungry all the time. If the person on steroids manages their food consumption then there is no reason that their weight should be adversely effected. Speaking from personal experience here.
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Again, not the point I was making, however medication which increases appetite is a significant contributing factor to weight gain. Added to which not all reactions to medication are the same, nor is a persons reaction to the dictates of the mind and body.
I had thought we could play with the drugs\dessert analogy a bit, but it's going to be pretty hard to one-up the idea of a cake batter enema. I think you win this round.
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2014/07/23 17:48:42
Subject: Re:The rise of obesity in the United States
Ouze wrote: I had thought we could play with the drugs\dessert analogy a bit, but it's going to be pretty hard to one-up the idea of a cake batter enema. I think you win this round.
He's a Nurse... just imagine the sort of "enema conversations" between colleagues.
I bet they do back-door enemas all the time whilst on the clock...
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This Sweet Invention Dispenses Cake from a Can
Tessa Berenson @tcberenson July 21, 2014
Think microwaveable cake batter
Looking for a way to binge on baked goods without the wait-time of actually baking?
Two Harvard students are working to patent Spray Cake, which releases cake batter out of a dispenser that works like a whipped-cream can. The accelerant in the can releases air bubbles inside the batter, eliminating the need for baking soda and baking powder so the confection is ready to eat almost instantly. It takes 30 seconds to bake a cupcake in the microwave, and only one minute to bake a full cake.
John McCallum, a junior and the brains behind Spray Cake, came up with the idea as a final project for his freshman year Science and Cooking class. It was his soon-to-be girlfriend, Brooke Nowakowski, who saw its potential: “He was just like, ‘Cool. Lab project,’ ” she told The Boston Globe. “But I thought it could go somewhere.” And she argues it’s good for weight control because, “You can simply pull it off the shelf, make one cupcake, then put it back in the fridge” — which won’t take nearly as long as it took Kristen Wiig’s character in Bridesmaids to make a single cupcake for herself:
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2014/07/23 18:53:36
Subject: Re:The rise of obesity in the United States
This Sweet Invention Dispenses Cake from a Can
Tessa Berenson @tcberenson July 21, 2014
Think microwaveable cake batter
Looking for a way to binge on baked goods without the wait-time of actually baking?
Two Harvard students are working to patent Spray Cake, which releases cake batter out of a dispenser that works like a whipped-cream can. The accelerant in the can releases air bubbles inside the batter, eliminating the need for baking soda and baking powder so the confection is ready to eat almost instantly. It takes 30 seconds to bake a cupcake in the microwave, and only one minute to bake a full cake.
John McCallum, a junior and the brains behind Spray Cake, came up with the idea as a final project for his freshman year Science and Cooking class. It was his soon-to-be girlfriend, Brooke Nowakowski, who saw its potential: “He was just like, ‘Cool. Lab project,’ ” she told The Boston Globe. “But I thought it could go somewhere.” And she argues it’s good for weight control because, “You can simply pull it off the shelf, make one cupcake, then put it back in the fridge” — which won’t take nearly as long as it took Kristen Wiig’s character in Bridesmaids to make a single cupcake for herself:
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2014/07/23 18:54:46
Subject: Re:The rise of obesity in the United States
This Sweet Invention Dispenses Cake from a Can
Tessa Berenson @tcberenson July 21, 2014
Think microwaveable cake batter
Looking for a way to binge on baked goods without the wait-time of actually baking?
Two Harvard students are working to patent Spray Cake, which releases cake batter out of a dispenser that works like a whipped-cream can. The accelerant in the can releases air bubbles inside the batter, eliminating the need for baking soda and baking powder so the confection is ready to eat almost instantly. It takes 30 seconds to bake a cupcake in the microwave, and only one minute to bake a full cake.
John McCallum, a junior and the brains behind Spray Cake, came up with the idea as a final project for his freshman year Science and Cooking class. It was his soon-to-be girlfriend, Brooke Nowakowski, who saw its potential: “He was just like, ‘Cool. Lab project,’ ” she told The Boston Globe. “But I thought it could go somewhere.” And she argues it’s good for weight control because, “You can simply pull it off the shelf, make one cupcake, then put it back in the fridge” — which won’t take nearly as long as it took Kristen Wiig’s character in Bridesmaids to make a single cupcake for herself:
