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Knockagh wrote:
The tau are pricks, eldar are easily the least Douche(y).

As much as a new race would be cool, I think they have enough problems keeping us all interested in and purchasing the ones they have out at the minute

I think you would change your mind very quickly if you ever met Eldrad.

 Selym wrote:

jakejackjake wrote:
Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.

And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!

Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.

But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.

No you're actually totally wrong and the only actual point you made I had already addressed in the quoted statement. The whole "martial honor" is just what gets people started on the red path. If it ALWAYS, and it ALWAYS, leads to total corruption and yelling "blood for the blood god" then I'd say it's evil from the first moment it seeps in to your mind. Kthankbai you lose

 Swastakowey wrote:
Vespid, are the only non douchebags maybe.

I was gonna say jokero but then I remember they have a rule where they make a weapon look pretty instead of good. Which is kinda douchbaggy.

So Vespid. As they are always nice from what I have read. (I.E next to nothing)

Jokaero are the only species in the galaxy producing digital weapons. That's, like, a meltagun that fits on your finger.

They're also animal-level intelligent, like an orangutan. How they do what they do is a mystery.

Pretty sure even the fluff explicitly states that total corruption is the only end possible for Chaos even if you started out with good intentions.

Well, here's a quote that's similar to that effect from FFG's Black Crusade RPG:

"The intoxicating lure of Chaos leads untold millions down the path of corruption, and the noblest of intentions offers little protection against its dark influence. A soldier’s bloodlust, a politician's ambition, a lover’s desire, and even a mother’s whispered prayer over her feverish child – they are all the playthings of the Dark Gods. Why resist? Wealth, power, and happiness await those who serve the Ruinous Powers, and the only price is your humanity."

Indeed. Nothing good ever comes from the worship of Chaos. The Ruinous Powers are demanding gods, and they expect total obedience from their followers (and have several interesting, and nasty, ways of ensuring it).

jakejackjake wrote:

 Selym wrote:

jakejackjake wrote:
Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.

And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!

Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.

But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.

No you're actually totally wrong and the only actual point you made I had already addressed in the quoted statement. The whole "martial honor" is just what gets people started on the red path. If it ALWAYS, and it ALWAYS, leads to total corruption and yelling "blood for the blood god" then I'd say it's evil from the first moment it seeps in to your mind. Kthankbai you lose

I'm not sure how you managed to address something in my post in what I had previously quoted... And which point are you referring to?
The point I'm trying to make is that what makes the forces of chaos so potent is that they do contain features that compliment our sense of morality. If Khorne was all about bleeding everyone until they dried up like a prune, he's only get hemophiliacs. Khorne's martial honour is something that warriors can relate to, especially the Space Marines, and to some of them, it makes them begin to accept the power of Khorne, even if unknowingly. The terror of chaos is not that it is evil, but that anything you hold dear can drag you into it. Hardly a denial of maliciousness or evil.

And it's unnecessary to end any statement in a debate with "you lose".

All the factions are bastards.

There are very good people within each faction, and there are monsters. Really the only faction that can't currently be considered to have actively evil elements would be the tyranids, assuming the hivemind only functions on eating.

That being said, great forms of kindness have been shown by all races. Except, probably, the slaaneshi. I mean, sure, some people are happy there, but they lack the semi-honor of khorne, the semi-respect of Tzeentch, and the deep love of nugle.

 Orsai wrote:
Their guns are powerful but not what an Ork would like. There's power but no POWEEEEEEEEEEER. I don't think my post makes much sense as I don't really know the words to explain, but I feel that the Tau are out of place.

Stop having such an Orkish attitude towards guns.

It's not always bigga and louda thats betta.


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 Hashbeth wrote:
All the factions are bastards.

There are very good people within each faction, and there are monsters. Really the only faction that can't currently be considered to have actively evil elements would be the tyranids, assuming the hivemind only functions on eating.

That being said, great forms of kindness have been shown by all races. Except, probably, the slaaneshi. I mean, sure, some people are happy there, but they lack the semi-honor of khorne, the semi-respect of Tzeentch, and the deep love of nugle.

But those slaaneshis might give you pleasure too.


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jakejackjake wrote:

 Selym wrote:

jakejackjake wrote:
Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.

And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!

Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.

But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.

No you're actually totally wrong and the only actual point you made I had already addressed in the quoted statement. The whole "martial honor" is just what gets people started on the red path. If it ALWAYS, and it ALWAYS, leads to total corruption and yelling "blood for the blood god" then I'd say it's evil from the first moment it seeps in to your mind. Kthankbai you lose

It's just a game jake. You don't have to take a side.

We're spectators, observers of the galaxy in the 41st Millennium.


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 Random Dude wrote:
That's what I like to call the Tau! I find the Tau to be the easiest race to support due to the fact that they aren't racists on steroids *cough Imperium cough*. If GW were to create a new race, would you prefer a xenos hating one or a xenos accepting one?

Regardless of whether the Tau or douche bags or not, liking them for being the nicest kinda defeats the setting of 40k. 40k is supposed to be as grim dark as possible. Though sometimes it becomes too ridiculous.

Orks --- They know they are animals

Tyranids --- They are insects

Necrons ---- So tragic you feel sorry for them.

Eldar --- Gave us Dark Eldar . Enough said.

Chaos and Dark Eldar --- They know and admit they are evil incarnate.

Tau ? What's the Greater Good for corpses ? Whats the Greater Good for an ugly , impoverished kid in a wheelchair whose here-and-now life is never going to get better ? A few people live slightly better lives for a brief time ; and then , ultimately , no one to even remember that.
" A man who lies merely elects not to tell the truth. But the man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put the truth. "
A Tau - thinker is a Chaos-thinker lying to himself.

Tyanids are the only race that aren't jerks. They have no malice in what they do. Its only done for survival.

One does not need malice to be jerky. Actions make a person a jerk, not malice or intent.

 Psienesis wrote:
One does not need malice to be jerky. Actions make a person a jerk, not malice or intent.

It depends on the view of morality for both parties.

Say, for example, you met a cat.

As per a meeting of humans, the first thing you do is look at the cat's eyes. From you perspective, you are making a friendly greeting.
The cat, however, disagrees. When cats look into eachother's eyes, it means that they are preparing to fight/kill eachother. And thus the cat believes that you have made a life-threatening situation for it.
The cat then responds by trying to claw your face off.
You get away from the cat, believing that you are the victim, and that the cat is a jerk.
The cat believes you are the jerk.

Were you being a jerk?

 Selym wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
One does not need malice to be jerky. Actions make a person a jerk, not malice or intent.

It depends on the view of morality for both parties.

Say, for example, you met a cat.

As per a meeting of humans, the first thing you do is look at the cat's eyes. From you perspective, you are making a friendly greeting.
The cat, however, disagrees. When cats look into eachother's eyes, it means that they are preparing to fight/kill eachother. And thus the cat believes that you have made a life-threatening situation for it.
The cat then responds by trying to claw your face off.
You get away from the cat, believing that you are the victim, and that the cat is a jerk.
The cat believes you are the jerk.

Were you being a jerk?

No, because cats are inherently evil. The cat is just using the eye look as a convenient excuse to act on it's malevolent nature.

I have to protest. Tau are awesome, but Tyranids eat everyone equally, daemons love every bodies pain equally, Necrons kill everyone equally, and the imperium hates all xenos equally.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Vespid, are the only non douchebags maybe.

I was gonna say jokero but then I remember they have a rule where they make a weapon look pretty instead of good. Which is kinda douchbaggy.

So Vespid. As they are always nice from what I have read. (I.E next to nothing)

Jokaero are the only species in the galaxy producing digital weapons. That's, like, a meltagun that fits on your finger.

They're also animal-level intelligent, like an orangutan. How they do what they do is a mystery.

Jokaero are probably a nod to Niven and Pournelle's novel A Mote in God's Eye, in which you have animals that have evolved to use machines.

EDIT: The Tau, in any of the fashions in which they have been presented, are positively angelic by 40K standards, in which the principal "good guy"
faction is heavily modeled after the Nazis. Forced sterilization and mind control are trivial in 40K.

 KesaAnna wrote:
Orks --- They know they are animals

Orks are plants, they're pod people.

Oh and I forgot to mention it before, Orks are the only race that Recycles

sirlynchmob wrote:

 KesaAnna wrote:
Orks --- They know they are animals

Orks are plants, they're pod people.

Oh and I forgot to mention it before, Orks are the only race that Recycles

Actually no.... the Imperium has a truly massive recycling system in place. wrecked tanks, pieces of debris, even people are recycled so... Orks are not the only ones.


But I think we have established that every single race are "bad" for their own reasons. Tau, Eldar, Orks, and so on are all unpleasant.

Still.... Kill them all.

Average life of a human in 40k

IOM : Backbreaking work in a factorium will most certainly die in an Industrial accident or cannon fodder in the Astra Militarium.

under Dark eldar

Enslaved a plaything to the whims of cruel overlords.

Under Orks
enslaved or eaten

Tyranid
Eaten

Unde the Tau

A semblance of a normal life

Anyone of you living in the 40K universe would choose living under the Tau over the other options every time and you know it.

godking wrote:
Average life of a human in 40k

IOM : Backbreaking work in a factorium will most certainly die in an Industrial accident or cannon fodder in the Astra Militarium.

under Dark eldar

Enslaved a plaything to the whims of cruel overlords.

Under Orks
enslaved or eaten

Tyranid
Eaten

Unde the Tau

A semblance of a normal life

Anyone of you living in the 40K universe would choose living under the Tau over the other options every time and you know it.

I choose an Ork life. You love everything Orky, you don't feel much pain, you have a blast, even when getting krumped by the bigger Orks, and you're too stupid to know any better.

Selym, the question was posed as if you were a human in ork society, not as if you were an ork.

Fair enough.

But atm we are only considering the human view of douchebaggery. How would the other races feel about it?

 Selym wrote:
Fair enough.

But atm we are only considering the human view of douchebaggery. How would the other races feel about it?

Yeah! Tau iz da most douchey coz, soon as you iz 'bout ta punch 'em in da face, dey legs it, da gitz dat dey are!

 YourIntestines wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Fair enough.

But atm we are only considering the human view of douchebaggery. How would the other races feel about it?

Yeah! Tau iz da most douchey coz, soon as you iz 'bout ta punch 'em in da face, dey legs it, da gitz dat dey are!

And I, mortal, agree with you.

-Tzeentch

The answer to OP (thread starter) question is:

NONE. THEY ARE ALL fething DEGENERATE DOUCHEBAGS who live only to kill, and thats what I like about the WH40K's "fictional" depiction of the milky way galaxy.....

Let it all burn.

 DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote:
The answer to OP (thread starter) question is:

NONE. THEY ARE ALL fething DEGENERATE DOUCHEBAGS who live only to kill, and thats what I like about the WH40K's "fictional" depiction of the milky way galaxy.....

Let it all burn.

HERETIC!
*BLAM*

Night Lords are pretty nice.

orks are easily the nicest species in the galaxy, I mean they dont care who you are, what you do, where you come from or why you there

They are are addicted to fun and just want to have what is most fun and stimulating - just to happens to be Dakka, lots of dakka

its not there fault, its not intentionally - its just how they were made (literally - by the old ones)

Squats.

 Rysaer wrote:
Squats.

Omnomnomnomnomnomnomnom

Really,the tau arent any better than anyone else. They are just good at self justification.