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Rhino rules specifically state that they can't tranport terminators iirc thus leaving landraiders and stormravens as their only possible transport.

BUT! Now you can ride allie's transports.

Taurox termie missile?

That is a really good question and needs to be FAQed.

Why should that be FAQed? Terminators are bulky, that rule explains how they enter transports. The only problem is the stupid rule Rhinos have, feels like an old rule that should've been removed.

 koooaei wrote:
Rhino rules specifically state that they can't tranport terminators iirc thus leaving landraiders and stormravens as their only possible transport.

BUT! Now you can ride allie's transports.

Taurox termie missile?

 Hansisaf wrote:
Why should that be FAQed? Terminators are bulky, that rule explains how they enter transports. The only problem is the stupid rule Rhinos have, feels like an old rule that should've been removed.

The Rhinos rule is actually "cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules" under transport capacity. No mention of Terminators specifically in the Rhinos rules.

So, as above, if the Transport can carry bulky models, it can carry Terminators (unless specified otherwise). No FAQ needed.

Is that the same for bikes?
I've always wanted to run a 3-man bike squad with boss in a Land Raider. Open the doors and ride out.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Is that the same for bikes?
I've always wanted to run a 3-man bike squad with boss in a Land Raider. Open the doors and ride out.

No. Bikes aren't Infantry and Transports can only carry Infantry without a rule saying otherwise.

Rorschach9 wrote:


The Rhinos rule is actually "cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules" under transport capacity. No mention of Terminators specifically in the Rhinos rules.

So, as above, if the Transport can carry bulky models, it can carry Terminators (unless specified otherwise). No FAQ needed.

At least in the Dark Angel Codex, the Rhino explicitly excludes Terminators, not other bulky models.

axisofentropy wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:


The Rhinos rule is actually "cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules" under transport capacity. No mention of Terminators specifically in the Rhinos rules.

So, as above, if the Transport can carry bulky models, it can carry Terminators (unless specified otherwise). No FAQ needed.

At least in the Dark Angel Codex, the Rhino explicitly excludes Terminators, not other bulky models.

DA codex is from 6th ed so the wording is different.

I was sure bikes were infantry, but 7th says otherwise.
Jetpack models are jetpack (type), like jetpack infantry now. It's the same with Jump-.

Oh well. Very Bulky for Bikes only affects Grav weaponry, then.

So, just C:SM Rhino-types have the restriction for Bulky, etc?
Ogryn in a Taurox, despite the little doors?

 Skinnereal wrote:
I was sure bikes were infantry, but 7th says otherwise.
Jetpack models are jetpack (type), like jetpack infantry now. It's the same with Jump-.

They never have been. Rather - not since 5th for sure and I can't remember past that.

Oh well. Very Bulky for Bikes only affects Grav weaponry, then.

No, no it doesn't.

Don't think it needs to be faqed, there are models in the AM codex with bulky/very bulky that can go into it already.

terminators = bulky.

Guess the Taurox suspension system counts for something more then Dangerous Terrain tests.

 jason1977 wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:


The Rhinos rule is actually "cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules" under transport capacity. No mention of Terminators specifically in the Rhinos rules.

So, as above, if the Transport can carry bulky models, it can carry Terminators (unless specified otherwise). No FAQ needed.

At least in the Dark Angel Codex, the Rhino explicitly excludes Terminators, not other bulky models.

DA codex is from 6th ed so the wording is different.

Hmm, so is the C:SM codex (from 6th). However, written at the later end of 6th. I don't have the DA Codex, so the only Rhino wording I had to go on was the standard C:SM. So, as it stands, DA Rhinos can carry infantry except Terminators (in effect, this is the same thing really until you put Allies into play I guess as there are no other Marine infantry that are Bulky/Very Bulky anyway).



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 Skinnereal wrote:

Oh well. Very Bulky for Bikes only affects Grav weaponry, then.

What do you mean by that?

Artificer Armour is not Bulky?

JinxDragon wrote:
Artificer Armour is not Bulky?

Nope. Its just made better.


This is a goofy thing with GW. Terminators, from almost all chapters, must ride in a LR, storm turkey, deep strike or pod. GK terminators, however, get LR, pods, deep striking, storm turkey AND chimeras.

 jason1977 wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Artificer Armour is not Bulky?

Nope. Its just made better.


This is a goofy thing with GW. Terminators, from almost all chapters, must ride in a LR, storm turkey, deep strike or pod. GK terminators, however, get LR, pods, deep striking, storm turkey AND chimeras.

And now all Terminators can ride in chimeras because BB's can ride in BB transports!

 jason1977 wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Artificer Armour is not Bulky?

Nope. Its just made better.


This is a goofy thing with GW. Terminators, from almost all chapters, must ride in a LR, storm turkey, deep strike or pod. GK terminators, however, get LR, pods, deep striking, storm turkey AND chimeras.

I guess they ride in a pile. Than the hatch opens and a pile of gk termies falls out on the ground. It probably happens cause gk are supposed not to feel pride while regular termies can't cope with such treatment.

Rorschach9 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

Oh well. Very Bulky for Bikes only affects Grav weaponry, then.

What do you mean by that?

Yeah, bad wording on my part.
I meant that the only affects that I can think of that takes the Bulky sizes into account are transport capacity and Grav weaponry*.
If bikes cannot be carried in transports, then only the only need to pay attention to the Bulky categories is Grav effects*.
* And then I check up, and it's not Grav I was thinking of.
What are the other reasons to refer to the Bulky sizes?
Just to pull the thread off-track for a minute. Sorry, OP.

rigeld2 wrote:
No, no it doesn't.

Thanks for the help there. Very informative.

The forge world riptide has a gun that cares about bulky status

Rorschach9 wrote:

 jason1977 wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:


The Rhinos rule is actually "cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules" under transport capacity. No mention of Terminators specifically in the Rhinos rules.

So, as above, if the Transport can carry bulky models, it can carry Terminators (unless specified otherwise). No FAQ needed.

At least in the Dark Angel Codex, the Rhino explicitly excludes Terminators, not other bulky models.

DA codex is from 6th ed so the wording is different.

Hmm, so is the C:SM codex (from 6th). However, written at the later end of 6th. I don't have the DA Codex, so the only Rhino wording I had to go on was the standard C:SM. So, as it stands, DA Rhinos can carry infantry except Terminators (in effect, this is the same thing really until you put Allies into play I guess as there are no other Marine infantry are Bulky/Very Bulky

Centurions. That's why.

 Deadshot wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

 jason1977 wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:


The Rhinos rule is actually "cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules" under transport capacity. No mention of Terminators specifically in the Rhinos rules.

So, as above, if the Transport can carry bulky models, it can carry Terminators (unless specified otherwise). No FAQ needed.

At least in the Dark Angel Codex, the Rhino explicitly excludes Terminators, not other bulky models.

DA codex is from 6th ed so the wording is different.

Hmm, so is the C:SM codex (from 6th). However, written at the later end of 6th. I don't have the DA Codex, so the only Rhino wording I had to go on was the standard C:SM. So, as it stands, DA Rhinos can carry infantry except Terminators (in effect, this is the same thing really until you put Allies into play I guess as there are no other Marine infantry are Bulky/Very Bulky

Centurions. That's why.

my mistake, nvm. I forgot Centurions are infantry.

Only Infantry models can embark upon Transports (this does not include Jump or Jet Pack Infantry), unless specifically stated otherwise. Some larger Infantry models count as more than one model for the purposes of Transport Capacity, and this will be specified in
the model’s rules. Sometimes, there will be constraints on which types of models can embark upon a particular vehicle, and this will be specified in the unit’s entry.

it seems legal for now, but it's bloody expensive, 280 points minimum, that's almost twice the cost of a MANz missile for 2 more bodies but a weaker transport, not to mention the lack of two wounds, but the invul makes up for it a bit i suppose.


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its a front armour 11, 280 point missile that gives 15 S8 AP2 I1 hits, and en extra 5 points for every chainfist which you wil want to take some of. ill stick to my trukk nobz thanks.

Hmm... I'm juts here thinking that Centurions can embark on DA Rhinos and Razorbacks, RAW. They only prohibit Termies

nvm. Didn't read.

Would anyone actually consider using this? I mean it is an exceptionally expensive unit, 280 points base, with a vehichle that can be glanced to death with bolt pistols and 5 T4 W1 models that is.