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I actually think there the ones for kow and we'll be seeing a different, maybe more open sculpt for ds.

I really liked them when I saw them at the openday, the legs were much more spread out than the ogres which made them look much better imho. Their the main army I'm holding out for in kow in the next ks.

Maybe Ronnie loves Friday the 13th or something with the killer slowly sauntering around and still somehow catching the running victims.

The poses aren't very inspired either; half of them look like they have a giant middle finger, the guy in the middle looks like he just jumped around the corner of building is yelling "Boo!" One guy is doing the "running man" dance and another looks like he's about to ring a doorbell.

None of them are very horrific...what one would expect from creatures from hell...

you could always make a cool Dungeon Keeper themed army with the Abyssals, those stumpy Molochs would make pretty sweet Bile Demons.

Just saying, just tempting you softly.


@Agnosto
I think the guys your looking at are the convicts team from dreadball xtreme (to the MAX!), the Molochs are the three porky big guys at the back.

 agnosto wrote:
Maybe Ronnie loves Friday the 13th or something with the killer slowly sauntering around and still somehow catching the running victims.

The poses aren't very inspired either; half of them look like they have a giant middle finger, the guy in the middle looks like he just jumped around the corner of building is yelling "Boo!" One guy is doing the "running man" dance and another looks like he's about to ring a doorbell.

None of them are very horrific...what one would expect from creatures from hell...

Err, the Dreadball Convicts?

Those Abyssal Molochs don't look too shabby
I quite like them.

 judgedoug wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Maybe Ronnie loves Friday the 13th or something with the killer slowly sauntering around and still somehow catching the running victims.

The poses aren't very inspired either; half of them look like they have a giant middle finger, the guy in the middle looks like he just jumped around the corner of building is yelling "Boo!" One guy is doing the "running man" dance and another looks like he's about to ring a doorbell.

None of them are very horrific...what one would expect from creatures from hell...

Err, the Dreadball Convicts?

LoL DERP! For some reason I totally missed the sign in the back!

I'll just go hide under a rock now.

I dunno, the Molochs remind me of some D&D monster manual art for demons. Usually they have at least a little bit of magic in their movement, especially if they have wings. Or they might just be used for guarding things, stumpy legs don't matter a whole lot if your job is to stand in front of a door

I dunno, I think they'll be a nice addition to the abyss contingent. Besides they're demons, maybe looking out of proportion is a disturbing distraction tactic

I don't mind the Molochs too much- they're the most interesting thing to come out of the KS miniature wise apart from the Salamander.

They're tempting me to up my pledge to get the abyss expansion, actually!

If I'm able to ignore the Mantic Stubby Leg© syndrom, the concept art is fine, though the masters in the photo need different heads. I would love for Mantic to learn how to make big creatures one day who are not aesthetically malformed in some way.

 GrimDork wrote:


I dunno, the Molochs remind me of some D&D monster manual art for demons. Usually they have at least a little bit of magic in their movement, especially if they have wings. Or they might just be used for guarding things, stumpy legs don't matter a whole lot if your job is to stand in front of a door

I dunno, I think they'll be a nice addition to the abyss contingent. Besides they're demons, maybe looking out of proportion is a disturbing distraction tactic

Why can't we get demons that you don't have to fluff into believability? "They use magic to move!" "They don't even need to move!" I think there are a lot of people who (like me) would buy a lot more Mantic stuff if the sculpts were better. This includes such nods to the art of sculpting as "looks like it can move its legs" and "sculptor knows basic shoulder anatomy." Nobody ever shows up on the Mierce threads and goes "Blah, that thing looks too realistic and frightening, could you guys maybe make the legs shorter, the head and hands bigger, and the arms longer?"

You could likely double whatever they paid the guy/gal to sculpt those things and get a much better sculptor and likely only have to raise their prices on each figure by ten cents or something with the level of distribution they have. While there might be a small number of people that would push over the line into "not worth it, too expensive, I am looking for plastic slag" there would be a lot a lot of people who would purchase based on the strength of the sculpt alone.

(I know you were only being half serious GrimDork, so this isn't an attack against you, just a general lament)

I still don't mind the stump legs that much, kind of a style or something. I wouldn't mind something lankier or that wouldn't waddle when it walks, but I'm not terribly bothered by the concept as it stands.

To me, they're fine as a thing you get three of in a boardgame. However, when it comes to buying more for use in a wargame, I'd just buy other, better models from other companies. (yes, even including GW with their prices).

And there's the core of the problem....

I like the stumpy legs on them. If they're that good of warrior, they don't need to be in such a big rush.

If you're too unhappy with them (I won't be) just replace them with these guys(or use them in addition to, like I will), as I can't think of many more badass demons than these:

I am really considering purchasing just the resin heroes, blaine, and legendary heroes from this KS and picking everything else up at retail.. Looking over Mars Attacks stuff is just giving me a weird feeling about how these plastics will turn out.

I saw some Mars Attacks minis in person last weekend, happy enough with the plastic.

We're about to hit 60 minis for £60 (plus all the other stuff) with this, call it 70 if you count terrain?

Another $500k of funding and another 30 minis should hopefully bump it up to a nice 100 minis for $100 thing.

So on a slightly different note from the whole Molochs legs, hips and bust ratios, you guys and gals think theres any chance of seeing some ratmen (skaven) by
the end of this campaign considering theres at least some hint (i guess) of it on the DS front cover artwork, although that could just be a normal
rat and I'm holding onto false hope.

I really would love to see mantics interpretation of ratmen, regardless if they ever become a full army or not.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I saw some Mars Attacks minis in person last weekend, happy enough with the plastic.

We're about to hit 60 minis for £60 (plus all the other stuff) with this, call it 70 if you count terrain?

Another $500k of funding and another 30 minis should hopefully bump it up to a nice 100 minis for $100 thing.

Yep the value has come along nicely as expected. Not to mention all the scenarios, tiles, card decks and what not.

I'm afraid mantic have ruled out a vermyn force for the kow universe, it was mentioned in the comments they've got other ideas they want to develop first.

Well thats a pity, so I guess its just a random rat after all, an army of badgers and gnomes isn't really my thing, neither is demons although I do love dark elves but Mantics are just, yeah... . Come to think of it theres no decent Kobold
or Gnoll armies either in 28mm scale (which I'd be down for) theres some seriously big missed opportunities floating around the mini world when you think about it.

But meh I'm going OT, thanks Ed.

I'm really hoping for Ophidia as the next expansion. A realm of evil men ruled by immortals.

The Kings of War Rulebook wrote:Ancient Ophidia, the most venerable of all man’s
realms, has weathered catastrophe and war
implacably. Long the rival of Primovantor, it has
survived from the ancient time of light until today.
For more than ten thousand years the God-Kings
have watched over their subjects, who toil as they
ever have on the perilously thin green strip of fertile
land adjoining the River Ophid.
Ophidia is a land of ritual and cruelty, whose nobility
are sorcerers, demonologists and necromancers, and
its true masters are anything but human. It is from
Ophidia that much evil in the world has come: the
necromantic art of death magic, unbound Abyssals and
those terrible perversions of humanity: the vampires
and the ghouls, ghastly by-products of the Ophidian
Sorcerers’ never-ending quest for immortality. This is
a land where desert-borne spirits are slaved to raise
the monuments of the God-Kings, where elaborate
funerary rituals are essential to prevent the return of
the dead, and where, at the heart of it all, the true,
cold-blooded Ophidians plot and scheme dominion of
the world.

Some sort of desert-based tomb raiding dungeon would be very cool.

Snake men then?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I like the stumpy legs on them. If they're that good of warrior, they don't need to be in such a big rush.

If you're too unhappy with them (I won't be) just replace them with these guys(or use them in addition to, like I will), as I can't think of many more badass demons than these:

Spoiler:

Exactly! No reason to buy the Mantic minis at all. Not even at one british pound sterling a pop. The Mars Attacks minis certainly aren't worth that in my book.

Regarding the legs, why give them legs at all? Wouldn't a truly powerful warrior not even need legs?

@carlos There's a lot of different directions they could take it... either Egyptian or Hindu mythology with dark spirits and horrors lurking beneath the sands.

It's a very interesting paragraph in the KoW background (and has a chunk of the Mantica map reserved for it) and I've been waiting for them to do something with it for a while.

I guess that sounds kinda cool, although it also sounds a bit like a possible not-tomb kings army in the making, at the very least its another reason to look forward to the next KoW KS which will
hopefully explode and fund a few new armies and possibly bigger units for the current armies, I mean seriously why no undead dragon Mantic? Get to it!

Any idea who the Primovantor guys are?

Ooh that would be cool. Twilight kin would probably go over well too since a plot of people love dark elves...

If they wanna beat deadzone they need to do a cthulhu themed dungeon, fish men, cultists, goat legged tentacle man, shaggy beast with man-face on its back, etc.


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Well mummies and phaorohs are already in the undead list, these guys sound more like the gw tk if they were still alive or something.

@Rolt - Primovantor is the dead civilization of men that was drowned during the formation of the Infant Sea. Basilea is the only part of it that survived relatively intact.

A Cthulhu themed expansion would bring the big money in, it might even be a good way on expanding the Naiad race thats been introduced (heros or foes) and fantasy nameless wouldn't be bad at all.
Don't get me wrong GrimDork I'd love to see Ophidia be something fresh and new rather than anything near TK it just kinda sounds like it to me, personal I'd love to see such an army turn out a bit the like
Broken Lords from Endless Legend, and yeah dark elves would be sweet Mantic really REALLY needs to show that army some love not sure what they were thing with the metal conversion set.

They were thinking hard plastic molds are expensive a d they already had elves, just add spikey bits in cheaper to produce metal molds, and boom another army to offer.




Maybe a rapidly filling 3rd expansion will drive everyone on and we'll get a 4th

you know, if they'd maybe post up what the next few stretch goals are, it might help

Their explanation for only doing one or so at a time is to maintain flexibility. If they see a slump or feel that another goal next would make things go better, they can swap it out this way, whereas if they were showing 3 goals out it would be harder to change without upsetting somebody. At least I think that's what they said at some point.