Guardians of the Galaxy discussion (potential spoilers)

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**chaos0xomega**

Saw it again today, enjoyed it just as much the second time through.

trexmeyer wrote:
I'd say it is a solid 3 star film. I'd put Avengers, CA2, and Iron Man 2 as being a bit better.

I flat out disliked the following:

1) The alien designs were terrible. I know they're being faithful to the comics, but Marvel's aliens are bland and look like something out of a second rate Star Trek TNG episode.
2) NovaCorp. Again, bland uniforms, half of them look "Terran", but aren't?
3) Far too much cringe worthy or just cheesy dialogue coming from Gamora, Nebulon, and Quill and a few tertiary characters.
4) The pulled out of the donkey cave resolution.

Spoiler:

First you establish that Ronin without the Stone is a complete bad ass that can toss Drax around effortlessly and then suddenly Quill is half super alien and can hold onto the Stone and incinerate Ronin? Okay then...

I was unimpressed by:
1) Chris Pratt as Peter Quill. His acting wasn't bad, the character was constantly cheesy.
2) Zoe Saldana as Gamora. Does she even know how to act or were her lines so bad that she delivered them like a robot?
3) Everytime Nebulon opened her mouth I just wanted to groan.
4) The plot. It was a generic losers coming together against all odds to save the day.

Spoiler:

I knew that going into it, but damn they rushed the set up and the By Our Powers Combined We Are Purple Infinity Stone was cringe inducing.

However:
1) Bautista's delivery of his literal lines was consistently hilarious and didn't get old for me.
2) Rocket was absolutely brilliant.
3) Groot was much better than expected and hi

Spoiler:

s death scene brought a tear to my eye.

4) Most of the action was very good.

Spoiler:

The prison breakout scene was both hilarious and exhilirating

Overall, the good greatly outweighed the bad. When the film took itself seriously, ie the rarara let's do this guys speeches, it was painful to watch. When it embraced the cheesy action-comedy and let fly it was a blast. I don't know if I'll watch it again.

For the record I also thought Days of Future Past was better and had much better acting from the entire cast.

Your opinion would be the minority one it seems, and I'd say a lot of your negativity stems from you simply 'not getting it'. You should have gone in expecting this to be "The Fifth Element" meets "Chronicles of Riddick", not Star Wars or Star Trek.

**trexmeyer**

Are you kidding me? The 5th Element was a much better film

I went in expecting Guardians to be a comedy. It is absolutely fine when it is a comedy. However, that doesn't excuse poor writing, poor acting, and instances of embarrassing dialogue. I've also noticed that people suck down absolute crap as if it some great work of art so it is no surprise to me that a film that is actually good is being praised as "perfect" or "the best ever."

**Slarg232**

First things first, I just want to say you can definitely tell Disney owns Marvel, considering

Spoiler:

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but there were three really cringe worthy parts where it was just "Wow, that dude should totally be dead right now...."

Spoiler:

I would rate the movie at about a 7-8 out of 10; It was highly enjoyable and I loved all the characterization (Didn't expect to like Drax anywhere near as much as I did, but I never read the comics), but there were parts (mostly just the three already mentioned) that it was just like "Um.... what? I can suspend my disbelief sure, but what?"

I also loved how it wasn't like the Avengers where Cap was making all the shots, but GotG had Rocket, Gamora, AND Quill taking the helm at different times.

**Breotan**

I watched it today and found it very enjoyable. It had a good balance of comedy and seriousness and even the 3D was done well, especially in the beginning at the hospital where there were not special effects to hide the blemishes that plague the technology.

I also dislike the "dance-off" thing and some of the jokes involving Rocket seemed a little forced. I still don't understand how either of those two survived in space without suits though. I mean even comic book movies should be at least that intelligent about how things work. But those are minor nitpicks.

I did appreciate the little details such as the "flashback" at the Collector's place. Seeing a Celestial in action was pretty cool.

**Slarg232**

To be fair, Quill was seen prior to that scene in space without an actual "Suit", so I just took it as "Jacket is space worthy" as silly as that seemed.

It was the other scene where it was "WHAT?!? BULL!". People can survive in space for 30 seconds provided they don't hold their breath (If what I read online is true), but that was WAYY longer than 30 seconds.

**Hordini**

Just saw it tonight. Thought it was quite excellent, especially considering it isn't one of the main Marvel story lines.

I'll probably check out the comic now, where I likely wouldn't have before.

The cameo at the end was brilliant as well.

**Compel**

Slarg232 wrote:
People can survive in space for 30 seconds provided they don't hold their breath (If what I read online is true), but that was WAYY longer than 30 seconds.

Well, Gamora isn't exactly human after all...

**Slarg232**

Compel wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
People can survive in space for 30 seconds provided they don't hold their breath (If what I read online is true), but that was WAYY longer than 30 seconds.

Well, Gamora isn't exactly human after all...

Quill is though.

Despite what the movie stated, the reason he did what he did at the end (Very End) was due to his wicked dance moves, not anything else.

**Compel**

Except, well, spoilers.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

Slarg232 wrote:
Compel wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
People can survive in space for 30 seconds provided they don't hold their breath (If what I read online is true), but that was WAYY longer than 30 seconds.

Well, Gamora isn't exactly human after all...

Quill is though.

Despite what the movie stated, the reason he did what he did at the end (Very End) was due to his wicked dance moves, not anything else.

He definitely is...

Spoiler:

I get people not liking certain parts of the movie like the Peter Quill shenanigans or the "human looking aliens" but it's basically criticizing the movie because it's faithful to its canon origins.

Spoiler:

**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah, people are annoyed at surviving out in space yet are fine with the idea of a half-alien person, which shouldn't be possible either.

**Hulksmash**

Considering Rocket points out that Gamorra will be dead in "minutes" even with her modifications and Quill is well, not fully human, I had less trouble with the space walk scene. The frost just disappearing from both their bodies when they wound up on the Ravager ship was actually more annoying

Saw it with the wife and loved it. Seeing it with a buddy tonight because it's awesome.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

Hulksmash wrote:
Considering Rocket points out that Gamorra will be dead in "minutes" even with her modifications and Quill is well, not fully human, I had less trouble with the space walk scene. The frost just disappearing from both their bodies when they wound up on the Ravager ship was actually more annoying

Saw it with the wife and loved it. Seeing it with a buddy tonight because it's awesome.

Yes, I will agree that annoyed me for a few minutes because there should have been some kind of marks or at least his eyes should have still had the exploded veins they did in space but I'll just accept they went into a "healing pod" off screen or as Lucy Lawless would say, "When you see things like that, a wizard did it."

**Platuan4th**

trexmeyer wrote:
Nebulon

Spoiler:

First you establish that Ronin without the Stone is a complete bad ass that can toss Drax around effortlessly and then suddenly Quill is half super alien and can hold onto the Stone and incinerate Ronin? Okay then...

hotsauceman1 wrote:

The only thing I wish they did was explain Ronin more TBH.

Nebula and Ronan.

You probably even sat through the credits, least you can do is read the character/actor list.

Also, I LOVED the "Raccoon references courtesy of Oreo and friends" in the Special Thanks section. Something about a raccoon named Oreo pleases me.

**Compel**

"No raccoons or tree creatures were harmed during the making of this film."

**cincydooley**

Compel wrote:
"No raccoons or tree creatures were harmed during the making of this film."

This line was fantastic.

Ronan was really well played by a pretty much unrecognizable Lee Pace.

**Crablezworth**

I really liked it, but it was the characters that made the film, the story was pretty bad. A lot of the actors went underused and had very little dialogue, especially Glenn Close and Benecio Del Toro.

Spoiler:

With that said, the characters are incredibly affable and they totally make the movie worth seeing, even if the story isn't great.

**Slarg232**

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Compel wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
People can survive in space for 30 seconds provided they don't hold their breath (If what I read online is true), but that was WAYY longer than 30 seconds.

Well, Gamora isn't exactly human after all...

Quill is though.

Despite what the movie stated, the reason he did what he did at the end (Very End) was due to his wicked dance moves, not anything else.

He definitely is...

Spoiler:

Except for the whole part where he's actually half-alien and of a royal bloodline plus that whole thing about it being a movie and he was really only out in space for a few seconds which is capable of being survived in.

I get people not liking certain parts of the movie like the Peter Quill shenanigans or the "human looking aliens" but it's basically criticizing the movie because it's faithful to its canon origins.

Spoiler:

Not to mention that if you actually paid attention to the movie, Quill didn't beat Ronan by dancing at him, it was a distraction. It was kind of why the scene was followed by Quill telling him that he was distracting him. Even then Quill wasn't able to completely control the Infinity Gem on his own. It was only because he was part alien and the others helped to absorb some of the energy backlash. I get that there was the whole "power of friendship" thing thrown in but this is a movie based on a comic book. Either take it with a grain of salt or don't go to see movies like this and complain they aren't meeting your standards for realism.

I loved the distraction, I just also loved poking fun at the movie

**whembly**

I absolutely loved that dancing to distraction in the end.

The whole movie just "works" for me.

My fiance absolutely loved it.

I want a baby Groot.

**trexmeyer**

The best part of the dance was Ronan's total shock at it.

The handholding happy feely time afterwards almost ruined it.

**KalashnikovMarine**

I had a blast, movie needs more Rocket. They also had Rocket's fuzzy CG model Oreo on the red carpet for the premier. Little guy hopped right up on James Gunn's shoulder and mugged for the camera. Predicting an increase of pet raccoons in the United States.

Looks like the Mouse greenlighting the sequel is already being rewarded: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/136591-Friday-Box-Office-Guardians-of-The-Galaxy-Is-a-Record-Breaking-Smash

**Breotan**

I don't know hwy but I frequently find Glenn Close irritating to watch. This was no exception. The only time I've really found her watchable was her run on The Shield.

Too bad they didn't expand on the Collector being an "elder of the universe". I wonder if younger people think he's a rip-off of that STTNG character who wanted Data for his collection.

**streamdragon**

Re Quill and the stone:

Spoiler:

As to Ronan and the ship

Spoiler:

**Anpu42**

Quill has been 1/2 Alien since he showed up back in 1976

**streamdragon**

Anpu42 wrote:
Quill has been 1/2 Alien since he showed up back in 1976

I've never read a Guardians comic, so I had no idea.

**Anpu42**

streamdragon wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
Quill has been 1/2 Alien since he showed up back in 1976

I've never read a Guardians comic, so I had no idea.

That why I though I should post that information. A lot out there did not seem to know that.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

streamdragon wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
Quill has been 1/2 Alien since he showed up back in 1976

I've never read a Guardians comic, so I had no idea.

I doubt most other people would have either and they're probably the ones calling foul on certain parts of the film because they didn't know.

**Ahtman**

streamdragon wrote:
Re Quill and the stone:

Spoiler:

**Grimskul**

Personally, one of the things that peeved me about the movie was how they portrayed the Kree and the Nova Corps. Ronan himself was fine for the most part but his army and the tech they used looked decrepit and really more like raiders than fanatical followers of Ronan.

I mean here's what Kree soldiers look like in the comics.

While I understand that Ronan wasn't formally using the actual military from the Kree Empire, you'd still think they'd have similar looking wargear looking more like them. (And the fact they were using melee weapons instead of range most of the time in the movie but dat's plot armour for you folks).

And the Nova Corps themselves, on the other hand, aesthetically looked fine for the most part but didn't really show off that they were effectively the bargain bin Green Lantern Corps of Xandar. I was kinda disappointed they didn't show them using their powers via the Nova Force and had them use starfighters instead. Plus the net thing was kinda silly, given that the enemy ships could have tried going around them and shoot them from behind.

Other than that Grute was definitely the MVP of the movie for me. We are Grute indeed.

**Slarg232**

streamdragon wrote:
Re Quill and the stone:

Spoiler:

I would argue that they made it clear early on that Quill is not 100% human.

1. During the first scene, his mother refers to his father as "an angel made of light" or something thereabouts. Shortly afterwards, Quill is abducted by a space ship.

2. Yondu and the Ravagers mention several times that Quill was supposed to be delivered to his father. Presumably, a human being is not hiring space aliens from another part of the galaxy to retrieve his son from his own planet.

Just those two things are pretty solid hints that Quill is not 100% human.

As to Ronan and the ship

Spoiler:

He has the power of an Infinity Stone when he gets hit by Rocket's ship. Him surviving is hardly unusual. It isn't until Rocket and Drax destroy the hammer holding the Infinity Stone that Ronan returns to being mortal.

The problem with the ship part for a lot of people I've talked to wasn't Ronan surviving, it was Drax. Unless we all collectively missed him being thrown out of the way.