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**Smotejob**

Deadshot wrote:
Smotejob wrote:
I think they should have some things like drop pod. They use drop pods in the fluff, why shouldn't they use them otherwise to reliably expedite their attack on demons.

Justicar... err... brother captain... errr... Alaric uses them quite a bit.

i agree with the other vehicles. We shouldn't have them and should get our own unique units as they are not good agains't demons. I think centurions would be good against demons though.

Because they don't need Drop Pods? They can teleport, even when in PA. Its more reliable for them, as it doesn't get shot out of the sky, they don't need lifting crew to retrieve the pods, so they can teleport away before being seen by Imperial reinforcements. And if they can't teleport, they use a Stormraven, which can also take a Dreadnought as well as the 12 guys inside. It can also shoot back and act as a gunship afterwards and them fly back to the Cruiser.

Centurions might work if they were equipped with GK tech. Paired doomfists and Incinerators for Assault, paired Psilincers, Psycannons or Grav-Cannon with Amp for Purgator. With chest mounted Rad-Launchers and Hurricane Bolters respectively, with upgrade options to Hurricane Bolter and Missile Launcher.

Not all of them. yes interceptors and gkss have those capes but sometimes a stormraven is just too slow and having elite or heavy choices in a drop pod would be very nice and match the fluff. Would it break them? i don't think so. it would be a more reliable transport to where we want to get than our trusty rhino. Rhino is great don't get me wrong but it would be nice to have access to that tech. =)

**Johnnytorrance**

What if the get the supplement treatment?

Grey knight special detatchment

**WrentheFaceless**

Deadshot wrote:
Smotejob wrote:
I think they should have some things like drop pod. They use drop pods in the fluff, why shouldn't they use them otherwise to reliably expedite their attack on demons.

Justicar... err... brother captain... errr... Alaric uses them quite a bit.

i agree with the other vehicles. We shouldn't have them and should get our own unique units as they are not good agains't demons. I think centurions would be good against demons though.

Because they don't need Drop Pods? They can teleport, even when in PA. Its more reliable for them, as it doesn't get shot out of the sky, they don't need lifting crew to retrieve the pods, so they can teleport away before being seen by Imperial reinforcements. And if they can't teleport, they use a Stormraven, which can also take a Dreadnought as well as the 12 guys inside. It can also shoot back and act as a gunship afterwards and them fly back to the Cruiser.

Centurions might work if they were equipped with GK tech. Paired doomfists and Incinerators for Assault, paired Psilincers, Psycannons or Grav-Cannon with Amp for Purgator. With chest mounted Rad-Launchers and Hurricane Bolters respectively, with upgrade options to Hurricane Bolter and Missile Launcher.

Fluff wise, yes they can teleport and they prefer .

Actual mechanics wise, Deep Strike is terrible, if I'm going to reserve, Id rather have a more reliable Drop Pod

I like the Centurion ideas though.

**Deadshot**

Smotejob wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
Smotejob wrote:
I think they should have some things like drop pod. They use drop pods in the fluff, why shouldn't they use them otherwise to reliably expedite their attack on demons.

Justicar... err... brother captain... errr... Alaric uses them quite a bit.

i agree with the other vehicles. We shouldn't have them and should get our own unique units as they are not good agains't demons. I think centurions would be good against demons though.

Because they don't need Drop Pods? They can teleport, even when in PA. Its more reliable for them, as it doesn't get shot out of the sky, they don't need lifting crew to retrieve the pods, so they can teleport away before being seen by Imperial reinforcements. And if they can't teleport, they use a Stormraven, which can also take a Dreadnought as well as the 12 guys inside. It can also shoot back and act as a gunship afterwards and them fly back to the Cruiser.

Centurions might work if they were equipped with GK tech. Paired doomfists and Incinerators for Assault, paired Psilincers, Psycannons or Grav-Cannon with Amp for Purgator. With chest mounted Rad-Launchers and Hurricane Bolters respectively, with upgrade options to Hurricane Bolter and Missile Launcher.

Not all of them. yes interceptors and gkss have those capes but sometimes a stormraven is just too slow and having elite or heavy choices in a drop pod would be very nice and match the fluff. Would it break them? i don't think so. it would be a more reliable transport to where we want to get than our trusty rhino. Rhino is great don't get me wrong but it would be nice to have access to that tech. =)

Yes, all of them can, in fluff at least, teleport in. The only GK squads that can't are Purifiers and Purgators for balance purposes. Purgators are GK just like the SS and Interceptors and Purifiers are even more Daemonproof than the rest.

Dreadnoughts get dropped in by stormraven if needed, but I would assume a Warp Stabilization field would allow them to be teleported in too.

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WrentheFaceless wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
Smotejob wrote:
I think they should have some things like drop pod. They use drop pods in the fluff, why shouldn't they use them otherwise to reliably expedite their attack on demons.

Justicar... err... brother captain... errr... Alaric uses them quite a bit.

i agree with the other vehicles. We shouldn't have them and should get our own unique units as they are not good agains't demons. I think centurions would be good against demons though.

Because they don't need Drop Pods? They can teleport, even when in PA. Its more reliable for them, as it doesn't get shot out of the sky, they don't need lifting crew to retrieve the pods, so they can teleport away before being seen by Imperial reinforcements. And if they can't teleport, they use a Stormraven, which can also take a Dreadnought as well as the 12 guys inside. It can also shoot back and act as a gunship afterwards and them fly back to the Cruiser.

Centurions might work if they were equipped with GK tech. Paired doomfists and Incinerators for Assault, paired Psilincers, Psycannons or Grav-Cannon with Amp for Purgator. With chest mounted Rad-Launchers and Hurricane Bolters respectively, with upgrade options to Hurricane Bolter and Missile Launcher.

Fluff wise, yes they can teleport and they prefer .

Actual mechanics wise, Deep Strike is terrible, if I'm going to reserve, Id rather have a more reliable Drop Pod

I like the Centurion ideas though.

Agreed, but fluff says they don't so that's my view.

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Johnnytorrance wrote:
What if the get the supplement treatment?

Grey knight special detatchment

Purifier or Paladin orders (led by Crowe and Draigo respectively). Either that or certain Brotherhoods, either Stern's, Mordrak's or Thawn's. They might even put Stern/Mordrak and Thawn in the same brotherhood.

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
Smotejob wrote:
I think they should have some things like drop pod. They use drop pods in the fluff, why shouldn't they use them otherwise to reliably expedite their attack on demons.

Justicar... err... brother captain... errr... Alaric uses them quite a bit.

i agree with the other vehicles. We shouldn't have them and should get our own unique units as they are not good agains't demons. I think centurions would be good against demons though.

Because they don't need Drop Pods? They can teleport, even when in PA. Its more reliable for them, as it doesn't get shot out of the sky, they don't need lifting crew to retrieve the pods, so they can teleport away before being seen by Imperial reinforcements. And if they can't teleport, they use a Stormraven, which can also take a Dreadnought as well as the 12 guys inside. It can also shoot back and act as a gunship afterwards and them fly back to the Cruiser.

Centurions might work if they were equipped with GK tech. Paired doomfists and Incinerators for Assault, paired Psilincers, Psycannons or Grav-Cannon with Amp for Purgator. With chest mounted Rad-Launchers and Hurricane Bolters respectively, with upgrade options to Hurricane Bolter and Missile Launcher.

Fluff wise, yes they can teleport and they prefer .

Actual mechanics wise, Deep Strike is terrible, if I'm going to reserve, Id rather have a more reliable Drop Pod

I like the Centurion ideas though.

Its not if you spend just 20 or so points on 4 Servo skulls. You can then DS within 12 inches of them and only scatter D6, among other benefits.

**Mathieu Raymond**

That's if Inquisitors remain in the book.

**Deadshot**

Librarians, Grand Masters and Captains could also take them. I see no reason they wouldn't if a new book comes out.

**chnmmr**

Its not if you spend just 20 or so points on 4 Servo skulls. You can then DS within 12 inches of them and only scatter D6, among other benefits.

Or do the same with turn 1 drop pods landing right where you want them rather than hoping the servo skulls last at least a turn or 2 before your reserves come in. I'd gladly give up deepstrike and points for drop pods. Protection (cover,) and 6 inch deployment to avoid standing in a nice blast marker shaped formation on arrival? yes please..

**Deadshot**

chnmmr wrote:

Its not if you spend just 20 or so points on 4 Servo skulls. You can then DS within 12 inches of them and only scatter D6, among other benefits.

Or do the same with turn 1 drop pods landing right where you want them rather than hoping the servo skulls last at least a turn or 2 before your reserves come in. I'd gladly give up deepstrike and points for drop pods. Protection (cover,) and 6 inch deployment to avoid standing in a nice blast marker shaped formation on arrival? yes please..

Except it goes against fluff which is why it shouldn't be there. Just be content with deep striking and Terminator troops, bucketfuls of Warp Charge dice, AP 3 on everybody, Dreadknights with 5 Str 10 AP 2 attacks and rerollable everything in melee with a Jump pack, a 30" move once per game, better versions of Rifleman dreads, or you know, just deploy normally and use your Grand Master to give stuff scout? Then you can sit in cover and shoot out?

**AlmightyWalrus**

Deadshot wrote:
chnmmr wrote:

Its not if you spend just 20 or so points on 4 Servo skulls. You can then DS within 12 inches of them and only scatter D6, among other benefits.

Or do the same with turn 1 drop pods landing right where you want them rather than hoping the servo skulls last at least a turn or 2 before your reserves come in. I'd gladly give up deepstrike and points for drop pods. Protection (cover,) and 6 inch deployment to avoid standing in a nice blast marker shaped formation on arrival? yes please..

Except it goes against fluff which is why it shouldn't be there.

Bullgak. They use Drop Pods several times in the GK omnibus, for example.

**Kanluwen**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
chnmmr wrote:

Its not if you spend just 20 or so points on 4 Servo skulls. You can then DS within 12 inches of them and only scatter D6, among other benefits.

Or do the same with turn 1 drop pods landing right where you want them rather than hoping the servo skulls last at least a turn or 2 before your reserves come in. I'd gladly give up deepstrike and points for drop pods. Protection (cover,) and 6 inch deployment to avoid standing in a nice blast marker shaped formation on arrival? yes please..

Except it goes against fluff which is why it shouldn't be there.

Bullgak. They use Drop Pods several times in the GK omnibus, for example.

And?

In the GK omnibus there is also a Daemon infested Forge World that gains sentience.

**Deadshot**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
chnmmr wrote:

Its not if you spend just 20 or so points on 4 Servo skulls. You can then DS within 12 inches of them and only scatter D6, among other benefits.

Or do the same with turn 1 drop pods landing right where you want them rather than hoping the servo skulls last at least a turn or 2 before your reserves come in. I'd gladly give up deepstrike and points for drop pods. Protection (cover,) and 6 inch deployment to avoid standing in a nice blast marker shaped formation on arrival? yes please..

Except it goes against fluff which is why it shouldn't be there.

Bullgak. They use Drop Pods several times in the GK omnibus, for example.

Isn't the GK codex newer? Where they use the much more reliable teleportation method (reliable for them), or the heavily armed Stormraven or Thunderhawk.

Also, as I've previously stated, Drop Pods require retrieval by heavy lifting ship, and so are a hassle to clear up. GK want to get out before any Imperials arrive and they have to kill or mindwipe them. Gunships can ferry things back up to the strike cruiser like Land Raiders and Rhinos and Stormravens take Dreadnoughts, while everything else teleports up. Takes maybe an hour to get away, as opposed to several to get the bulk carriers to retrieve the pods.

**chnmmr**

We're starting to get into a discussion of mechanics vs fluff. While it is fluffy that GKs deepstrike using teleporters, I would say that drop pod deepstriking is generally superior mechanically in most ways. Guaranteed some turn 1 deepstriking, less threat to the units inside to mishap, and no risk of everyone ending their turn in a tight clump therefore being blast fodder.

**Deadshot**

chnmmr wrote:
We're starting to get into a discussion of mechanics vs fluff. While it is fluffy that GKs deepstrike using teleporters, I would say that drop pod deepstriking is generally superior mechanically in most ways. Guaranteed some turn 1 deepstriking, less threat to the units inside to mishap, and no risk of everyone ending their turn in a tight clump therefore being blast fodder.

Just cuz its superior doesn't mean they should have it.

**Smotejob**

I say they should get drop pods since the fluff supports it.

Not to mention... Every other space marine army has access to them. I know that is not the strongest argument but grey knights can keep their flavor and would be a more reliable army. Very frustrating to not get your troops until turn 3 or 4.

Many battles in grey knight history where grand masters and brother captains have elected to use drop pods to attack a demon infestation.

Thinking of doing some trial runs against some friends to see how drop pods work in grey knight armies.

**Hubris75**

New Poster but FWIW....

From a Fluff perspective I agree they should have pods.

From a game play perspective, I'm for anything that adds flavor without catapulting an army's power over the top. I am NOT saying this would be the case.

Hope you'll do a write up of your experimental GK Pods Smote.

**Deadshot**

Smotejob wrote:
I say they should get drop pods since the fluff supports it.

Not to mention... Every other space marine army has access to them. I know that is not the strongest argument but grey knights can keep their flavor and would be a more reliable army. Very frustrating to not get your troops until turn 3 or 4.

Many battles in grey knight history where grand masters and brother captains have elected to use drop pods to attack a demon infestation.

Thinking of doing some trial runs against some friends to see how drop pods work in grey knight armies.

Fluff from years ago, that the newer codex contradicts? When was the last time a GK novel came out? GK don't need Drop Pods because they can teleport. Teleportation is superior to Drop Pods (fluffwise). If other Marines could guarentee the same reliablity DP would become obsolete.
Also, if you want your troops in turn 1, deploy them.

**Temujin**

Deadshot wrote:
Smotejob wrote:
I say they should get drop pods since the fluff supports it.

Not to mention... Every other space marine army has access to them. I know that is not the strongest argument but grey knights can keep their flavor and would be a more reliable army. Very frustrating to not get your troops until turn 3 or 4.

Many battles in grey knight history where grand masters and brother captains have elected to use drop pods to attack a demon infestation.

Thinking of doing some trial runs against some friends to see how drop pods work in grey knight armies.

Fluff from years ago, that the newer codex contradicts? When was the last time a GK novel came out? GK don't need Drop Pods because they can teleport. Teleportation is superior to Drop Pods (fluffwise). If other Marines could guarentee the same reliablity DP would become obsolete.
Also, if you want your troops in turn 1, deploy them.

So an even newer codex will contradict that and say they do use drop pods. About half the posts in this thread are you saying the same thing. I think we all know you opinion by this point. If GW decides GK drop pods will sell, the fluff will be adjusted accordingly. In this case, it would hardly lead to howls of outrage given that GK drop pods are established in older fluff.

**Deadshot**

Temujin wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
Smotejob wrote:
I say they should get drop pods since the fluff supports it.

Not to mention... Every other space marine army has access to them. I know that is not the strongest argument but grey knights can keep their flavor and would be a more reliable army. Very frustrating to not get your troops until turn 3 or 4.

Many battles in grey knight history where grand masters and brother captains have elected to use drop pods to attack a demon infestation.

Thinking of doing some trial runs against some friends to see how drop pods work in grey knight armies.

Fluff from years ago, that the newer codex contradicts? When was the last time a GK novel came out? GK don't need Drop Pods because they can teleport. Teleportation is superior to Drop Pods (fluffwise). If other Marines could guarentee the same reliablity DP would become obsolete.
Also, if you want your troops in turn 1, deploy them.

So an even newer codex will contradict that and say they do use drop pods. About half the posts in this thread are you saying the same thing. I think we all know you opinion by this point. If GW decides GK drop pods will sell, the fluff will be adjusted accordingly. In this case, it would hardly lead to howls of outrage given that GK drop pods are established in older fluff.

If you want me to stop posting the same stuff, stop giving me reason to. If a new codex retcons it, fine. Until them, this is how it is.

**Smotejob**

Curious as to what relics, warlord traits we will get. And if we get a new psyker power table or not (happy with sanctic if we dont)

**WrentheFaceless**

Probably no special GK table, we already get to not peril on doubles on Sanctic

Would prefer Dreadknights got Sanctuary instead of Hammerhand

I would be ok with just a point reduction all around

**reds8n**

Via/thanks to Grot Orderly

**SarisKhan**

A Trip to Titan, eh? Lends some credence to GKs being next.

**ashikenshin**

It's the third part of sanctus reach:

**reds8n**

.. So the Sanctus Reach saga has currently involved KNights, AStra stillcallemImperialguard, orks and space wolves...

a GK codex given their involvement would seem plausible enough.

Maybe even indeed a Stormclawesque boxset with some GKs -- plastic HQ model ? -- and some daemons too as suggested earlier ?

**Bull0**

Is that a campaign book, though? The write-up makes it clear that it's a novel. Where's the confirmation of a campaign book?

**pretre**

Bull0 wrote:
Is that a campaign book, though? The write-up makes it clear that it's a novel. Where's the confirmation of a campaign book?

It's a novel; there's no confirmation.

**Bull0**

pretre wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
The write-up makes it clear that it's a novel.

It's a novel.

Ah, good thing you were here.

*edit* Ninja edit up there

**pretre**

Bull0 wrote:
pretre wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
The write-up makes it clear that it's a novel.

It's a novel.

Ah, good thing you were here.

*edit* Ninja edit up there

Yeah, I realized my statement wasn't clear enough.

I was agreeing that all that is said is what was said. I.e. It's just a novel.

**WrentheFaceless**

Still its something that indicates they've got some GK stuff in their sights.