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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
Any peep about vehicles? Just asking because in the GK FAQ there are references to Predators, vindicators and Whirlwinds at the beginning of the amendments section

Link for convenience: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Grey_Knights_v1.0_May14.pdf

95% that their addition is a copy-paste error and not an addition to the GK book.

if it was really an error they would have fixed it like the other mistakes in the other FAQs. The fact that this remains unchanged makes me think this was done on purpose though.

I TOLD YOU THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE NO NEW KITS!!!!! (Sorry for the rage but no one believed me.)

It looks terrible IMO, more of a mini dex

chnmmr wrote:
Right now I'm really struggling to see what profit GW expects to make from this release if point costs haven't generally changed (except for a few things,) no new models, or vehicles. Further nerfing of their psychic ability (which was slammed due to the new psychic phase,) by removing psychic pilot from vehicles, removing psybolt ammo...

Are they really expecting to sell JUST the codex? :S

It seems more an "Update Grey Knights to 7th" release than a full new release. Just like the Sisters of Battle got, but since GK have a model range, it will come out in hardback. I'd also expect it to be smaller than most codices, probably a 64 page bool for $40 like Codex: Knights. With the new style and removal of Inquisition elements, a quick look tells me that 46 pages of old bestiary and army list can be replaced with about 20 pages of the new format. The equipment section can be massively shortened as well. Psychotroke Grenades and Daemon-blade rules together take up a full page that will likely go away. All the special rules, psychic powers, and equipment in the GK codex take up 12 pages, Space Wolves cover that same stuff with 8 pages, including a unique psychic discipline, while GK use sanctic. So 28 pages, 12-14 pages of gallery, 20 pages for fluff, introduction, and reference foldout in the back, and bam 64 pages.

thraxdown wrote:
Yeah if psychic pilot is removed that nerfs our psychic ability even further. Aside from the terminators getting cheaper these rumors make the book feel like a nerf of an average army.

Well, rhinos generating psychic points was a little odd. Reducing the total number of psychic points in GK, and then fixing some of the massive points generators in Codex: Daemons (3 points per pink horror squad and level 3 on heralds of tzeentch and daemon princes) will make psychic points in general more balanced.

Any news on Assassins? Will they be in the codex? Or have a separate dataslate at least?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I was just starting a Mordrak and Ghost Knight project. Really hope they don't take him out. Honestly he would just be a terminator with a hammer. Same thing for Thawn. No reason to remove them model wise.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I was just starting a Mordrak and Ghost Knight project. Really hope they don't take him out. Honestly he would just be a terminator with a hammer. Same thing for Thawn. No reason to remove them model wise.

There is from GWs perspective. There was no models made so they eliminate them for copyright purposes.

These leaks are kind of what I feared -- a slap-dash 7th edition update without much thought purely to move books when a new Sanctus Reach book comes out with GK in it.

I really hope the relics are good enough to add flavor, otherwise they'll be a very boring and vanilla army for fluff that deserves better. With Inquisition gone they'll lose a lot of their diversity -- yes, I know allies exist but typically I like to play mono-codex.

If everything here is true then Grey Knights will be one big shade of... well, grey. Bolters and psycannons and incinerators with a good psychic phase.

Now, if Grey Knights get their own psychic table to pair with Sanctic -- then there could be some fun to be had. Right now all I know is there are going to be some beautifully painted ghost knights heading for a simple green bath.

I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

Sounds like it was incomplete.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

There are several precedents of that happening.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

I really cannot imagine what new move from GW would be so dumb I could not believe it...

My guess, quickie digital codex, followed by a real one in a year or two (if the game lasts that long)

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

I really cannot imagine what new move from GW would be so dumb I could not believe it...

My guess, quickie digital codex, followed by a real one in a year or two (if the game lasts that long)

The only reason I expect a paper codex for GK while Sisters and INQ have digital only is that GK have plastic models they sell in stores.

Yep. Really hate the loss of mordrak and co. I worked harder on those models than I have any other and now they're completely pointless

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

I really cannot imagine what new move from GW would be so dumb I could not believe it...

My guess, quickie digital codex, followed by a real one in a year or two (if the game lasts that long)

The only reason I expect a paper codex for GK while Sisters and INQ have digital only is that GK have plastic models they sell in stores.

In days of long ago GW put the Blood Angels codex in WD and didn't print a new one for them for a good 4 or 5 years.

thraxdown wrote:Yep. Really hate the loss of mordrak and co. I worked harder on those models than I have any other and now they're completely pointless

Ah they can still be a funky paladin squad! And who knows, if the Jockero could come back so can Mordrak!

Do people realise the significance of the removal of INQ stuff? Yes you can get Inquisitors and Henchmen Warbands in the INQ codex but what about assassins?! There will be literally no place to field any of them. Yes you could sub them into a IHW, but who wants to do that?! The Vindicare in particular will have nowhere to go. I really do hope this rumour isn't legit. (Why assassins weren't put in the INQ codex I do not know). Also Valeria will go missing, but that neither surprises me nor bothers me overly so.

 Brother Payne wrote:
Do people realise the significance of the removal of INQ stuff? Yes you can get Inquisitors and Henchmen Warbands in the INQ codex but what about assassins?! There will be literally no place to field any of them. Yes you could sub them into a IHW, but who wants to do that?! The Vindicare in particular will have nowhere to go. I really do hope this rumour isn't legit. (Why assassins weren't put in the INQ codex I do not know). Also Valeria will go missing, but that neither surprises me nor bothers me overly so.

There have been rumors of an Assassin codex/supplement coming for quite a while now. That's where they'll end up.

I dont mind the INQ being seperate except that tournaments are limiting you to two sources. I am sure there is a way to make it work but its just annoying that I will probably have to shelf my inquisition army because of this change. I hope it is just a light update instead of a major overhaul removing units.

Also then need to update the digital inquisition to the new stuff before they release grey knights...

O well, I can pull it out for fun times I guess.

As a Grey Knights player I am glad to be getting an up-dated Codex. Much easier to play when all of the proper rules and abilities are in one place.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
There are several precedents of that happening.

Examples that aren't Sisters or Inquisition, or just stop-gap books like that WD Blood Angel Codex?

Yeah, there aren't any precendents. No real codex has been released without models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

Agreed. I just can't wrap my head around it.

Maybe we'd be looking at a new, sparse GK Codex, the Inquisition Codex, and an Assassins codex? Doesn't make sense though, seems too sparse to be possible.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

I dunno, it depends what angle they plan to take. If the rumours of a GK v Daemons Stormclaw-style box are accurate, updating the Codex to 7th and then going all-in on the "YOU get some Daemons, YOU get some Daemons, EVERY-BODY GETS SOME DAEMONS!" strategy gives them the chance to add "And all you good-guys can now buy shiny Grey Knights to counter them!" - if they were struggling with ideas on how to revamp the GKs anyway, a comparatively low-cost codex refresh and campaign combo box that results in a modest sales bump for both Daemons and GK could be very appealing indeed to GW given their financials.

I heard there will be a NemesisKnight from planet Nemesis with a NemesisGun that fires a special ranged attack called NemesisShot. This attack confers the Nemesis special rule to any unit it hits. The Nemesis special rule causes you to rename the affected unit to something completely ridiculous. Murderfang is immune to this attack.

Removing the INQ elements from Grey Knights makes both halves into more of "Imperium Allied detachments" than fully self sustaining armies, which generally fits the fluff. Both can field their own detachments, but they are both specialists, meant to fill a certain role and attach to other forces as specialists. Like the Militarum Tempestus or Knight Codices- they can field self contained forces, but have major weaknesses if they do so.

I would love for a GK codex to come out with Storm Talons, Centurions, Jetbikes, and Chaplains. But these changes do not sound terrible at all. Inquisition should not have been lumped in with the GK book. Ordo Malleus made sense. But the other two factions were stuffed in since they had nowhere better to go. Inquisition works best as their own sub-faction, who can ally to GK to bring back that pairing.

 puma713 wrote:
I heard there will be a NemesisKnight from planet Nemesis with NemesisGun that fires a special ranged attack called NemesisShot and confers the Nemesis special rule to any unit it hits. The Nemesis special rule causes you to rename the unit something completely ridiculous. Murderfang is immune to this attack.

Don't be ridiculous, in reality it will be a Doomknight with Doomshredder Cannon and Doomtarge, with the "Impending Doom" special rule detailing the inexplicable advantages the pilot gets from being afflicted by an ever-present sense of terrible foreboding, which has been the case ever since the great battle on Calamitatus Prime.

So Mordrak and Thawn, my two favorite GK characters, are gone.

Glad I didn't invest too heavily in that GK army then.

 Happygrunt wrote:
So Mordrak and Thawn, my two favorite GK characters, are gone.

Glad I didn't invest too heavily in that GK army then.

For me as well. I might not even buy this new codex and just try and sell my grey knights now even though i have a large army. Unbelievable if they try to do something like a digital codex only with no new models i just refuse to belive that. I will wait and see what happens and until they actually announce it it is all considered hearsay to me :p

GW might just enjoy doing this sort of thing for the lulz watching us all squirm..

My main hope is that since they appear to just be cutting stuff and rehashing what's left, that the fluff gets de-warded and put back previous to pre bathing in sob blood etc.

Sigh.

On the positive side, it might make the money I spent on the Inquisition Codex seem like a little bit less of a waste, as it will no longer be just a crappy copy paste of a codex I already had. It'll be a crappy stand alone codex that doesn't do justice to a faction I love.

I started my Daemonhunters army because they were a cool and unique army with an esoteric mix of weird and wonderful models and units sprinkled with über hard knights.

Now I have codex shiny marines, codex stuff we didn't want in codex shiny marines, white dwarf for stupidly named storm troopers and no assassins. And a quandary as to whether even bother any more.

I just went to use the force requision thing in my new Space Wolf codex on ipad, and they have accidently put the Grey Knights one in instead! How slowed can you be! Anyone wants to know anything, let me know.


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Oh whoops. I see it's already been discussed. Well I'm confirming it's true. And I'm kind of annoyed. I want the Space Wolves one!