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I will sculpt a brand new Draigo riding a stallion with Mat Wards likeness if I turn out to be wrong and this book is amazing.

 TheKbob wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
After this release, I think Tyranids will be kissing the floor that their codex didn't get butchered like the GK did.

So you've seen the inside of the codex? Whats in there?

 TheKbob wrote:
Great, looks like the previous rumors were true (as expected). My last army is gutted and now requires three sources to make one book. Because nickel and diming is good.

Oh, or are we supposed to have a positive spin on this. If its a literal unit delete/points tweak copy and paste job can we finally get some unanimous " this is getting bad" for once?

Will you finally actually quit then?

You're cute. Please, give us the positive spin. Let me know what I'm doing wrong to enjoy having my armies invalidating and costing $100 in rules alone to keep relevant? Please, tell me.

No spin, I think we'd all be better off if you had actually quit like you said you would. That way we wouldn't have to read more of the same from you, and youd have the peace of mind of actually quitting the product you hate so much.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

More likely, its so they can trick little Timmy into getting 2. Timmy gets a box and the Codex. Builds them as Paladins. Is told he needs Terminators instead and must buy 2 more boxes. Timmy buys 2 more and doesn't realise he could have swapped the heads (or even just had the same head, not vitally important) on his existing squad and just bought 1 box. Or he does and because he's twelve "Cool extra!"

Yeah if you could stop abusing poor little Timmy by using him as a go-to straw man, that'd be just fantastic. You could lay that same "kids are going to get confused by this and that's exactly what those bastards want" claim to pretty much *any* product without an age restriction (and many with!).

Seriously, this is a rebox release with no new models and an eviscerated codex; you don't need to reach as hard as you are for a criticism, here. Plenty to be had. It sounds like a codex to avoid, and proper GK players should rightly be pretty disappointed with this treatment.

My sincerest apologies...Timmy is an incredibly smart boy and is bullied an atrocious amount on this forum...I am disgusted with myself.
Little Brandon on the other hand...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


No spin, I think we'd all be better off if you had actually quit like you said you would. That way we wouldn't have to read more of the same from you, and youd have the peace of mind of actually quitting the product you hate so much.

I already sold off nearly everything and have bought nothing. I play three other games now. I have peace of mind, but to see the game I'd still love to play go down the drain with a legion of folks who are still willing to defend them, defying reasoning, is frustrating. Or try to "we'd be better off without upset fans" is a part of the problem.

If you want an echo chamber, go to another forum. There are several that offer such qualities.

If you want positive, we can share PMs on the new ininifty rules coming, on the new circle warlock giving constructs synergy, or Wave 2 of Malifaux.

And this forum isn't a hate echo chamber?

Usually when I quit something I dont sit around and harp on it, I move on


Which is why you'll never see me post on a Michael Bay forum

Looks like the GK LR is just the Vanilla variant.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
And this forum isn't a hate echo chamber?

Usually when I quit something I dont sit around and harp on it, I move on

It's not hate when its based upon facts and reasoning. And I still like Warhammer 40k. I dislike Games Workshop and their poisoning of the game and allowing the community to eat itself.

To take a book that folks have built armies based within the last three years and then rip it apart into multiple purchase chunks and not get heartburn, rightfully so, is ignorant at best.

I was at least hoping grey knights would get scouts, now that the assassins are out :(

I know I'm in the minority here but I'm quite looking forward to the new book.

The inquisition work much better as a separate codex as do the assassins, having them mixed in with the Grey Knights was just strange. Obviously having to fork out for both a new GK codex and an assassin leaflet is a pain in the ass.....

The new codex though I'm positive about, the current one is a mismatched FAQ'd mess at the minute that really doesn't work in 7th so getting fixed rules is only a good thing.
The lack of new models isn't really much of a surprise but seeing as we're losing alot of content they've got to fill the book with something and I'm thinking/hoping that we'll basically get all the supplement goodies in the base codex.

The new pattern seems to be - Base codex + Supplement with additional Detachments and formation. I think that our new codex will have multiple detachment types for us to use and a host of different formations.

Some people aren't a fan of these I know but the ghazzy book has loads of cool usable options in it as does the new logan book apparently, that's what I'm hoping for.

Very stoked to "procure" that assassins slate.

I think the split of the GK codex makes perfect sense and would be acclaimed by everyone in the community… if not for the prices. If that Assassins dataslate was a free pdf, and included as a booklet in the next WD for those of us who like physical books, who would complain? I mean, if your pals are suddenly going to tell you to stop playing your army because GW made it into different books and they have a “two sources max” policy, the problem lies not with GW…

BrianDavion wrote:
Because GW doesn't have a seperate distribution chain for Canada. It's just "North America" so their NA dsitrubition chain takes Quebec into account. Basicly any French warhammer 40k books ordered by the Quebec GW stores are being shipped up from the US.

Learned something today. Do they sell Codex: Adepta Sororitas in French over there? Because here they do not .

They dont sell a codex in French in France? Thats actually kindof funny

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Otherwise you'd have entire units of termies with 2++ in close combat thanks to their Nemesis Swords.

Nemesis Warding Staves....which are apparently cheaper now if the earlier leaks are true.

My friend literally just bought the GK Book

Well... now I have to tell him it's not looking like a good investment

 Stevefamine wrote:
My friend literally just bought the GK Book

Well... now I have to tell him it's not looking like a good investment

Ouch better return that quick

 agnosto wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Otherwise you'd have entire units of termies with 2++ in close combat thanks to their Nemesis Swords.

Nemesis Warding Staves....which are apparently cheaper now if the earlier leaks are true.

There are no rumours that allow the entire squad to get them. In the 5th Ed codex only 1 model per squad can get one.

Tell him to get his money back!

It's really sad everything from what I've seen does not get me excited for this new codex. Personally I think this is a result of the "loss" that GW is experiencing financially. I wonder if they are hoping if they send out repackaged crap (can only say that from what I've seen so far I could very well be wrong) to increase profits with the lowest cost to them. They don't need to make new molds. No new models. Just repackage and in "new" box discounts here and there and hope it sells. I really hope my train of thought on this is wrong.

 newdigitaltau wrote:
It's really sad everything from what I've seen does not get me excited for this new codex. Personally I think this is a result of the "loss" that GW is experiencing financially. I wonder if they are hoping if they send out repackaged crap (can only say that from what I've seen so far I could very well be wrong) to increase profits with the lowest cost to them. They don't need to make new molds. No new models. Just repackage and in "new" box discounts here and there and hope it sells. I really hope my train of thought on this is wrong.

I don't understand either. As it stands, from all the leaks of units, point costs, etc, the result of this codex coming out is buying a codex... and that's it. I need nothing else because they added nothing else (as far as I can tell.) The leaks can't be complete, there must be something they are hiding. After all, look how well they hid the Logan Chariot from people. They can't really expect a new codex to be released with repackaged boxes, with different pictures even though the contents are identical to make them money... can they?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
They dont sell a codex in French in France? Thats actually kindof funny

No, it is not. It says to Adepta Sororitas players “We care so few about you that, even though we do translate our announcement for U.S. or Italian or whatever events in French in our White Dwarf daily stuff, we will not translate your codex. Enjoy looking up which English USR correspond to which French USR, sucker!”

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
They dont sell a codex in French in France? Thats actually kindof funny

No, it is not. It says to Adepta Sororitas players “We care so few about you that, even though we do translate our announcement for U.S. or Italian or whatever events in French in our White Dwarf daily stuff, we will not translate your codex. Enjoy looking up which English USR correspond to which French USR, sucker!”

Oh yea, SoB

 Deadshot wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Otherwise you'd have entire units of termies with 2++ in close combat thanks to their Nemesis Swords.

Nemesis Warding Staves....which are apparently cheaper now if the earlier leaks are true.

There are no rumours that allow the entire squad to get them. In the 5th Ed codex only 1 model per squad can get one.

The leaked army builder screenshots on page 14 show that in a paladin unit any model may take a staff for 5 pts.

 Deadshot wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Otherwise you'd have entire units of termies with 2++ in close combat thanks to their Nemesis Swords.

Nemesis Warding Staves....which are apparently cheaper now if the earlier leaks are true.

There are no rumours that allow the entire squad to get them. In the 5th Ed codex only 1 model per squad can get one.

really the warding staff was always a bit overpriced. you're paying 25 points for an extra +1 to invul during close combat.

The only time I could see that seeming like a deal was on a HQ with a Iron Halo

Er Warding stave makes your invuln 2+ in close combat, straight up

Apothecary only 20 points? Nice

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Er Warding stave makes your invuln 2+ in close combat, straight up

damn ok I missed that, I misread it as being +2 to your invul save.

wow ok better then I expected, and yeah insane

Wow I'm a little sad... Grey Knights codex really got gutted didn't it...

Its a rather large slap in the face figuring I like all the Chamber Militants and of the 2 that are armies, they get literally nothing.

Looks like Grey Knights are not a popular enough army to justify another kit :\, oh well back to hoping for plastic sisters....

 agnosto wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Otherwise you'd have entire units of termies with 2++ in close combat thanks to their Nemesis Swords.

Nemesis Warding Staves....which are apparently cheaper now if the earlier leaks are true.

There are no rumours that allow the entire squad to get them. In the 5th Ed codex only 1 model per squad can get one.

The leaked army builder screenshots on page 14 show that in a paladin unit any model may take a staff for 5 pts.

Damn

In which case I highly doubt keeping the 2+ Invulnerable. I predict it will have Force Staff stats with whatever Nemesis Weapons have this time around, Daemonbane or something. So +2 Str, AP4, Concussive.
Swords will be AP3
Halberds either Ap 2 Unwieldy 2 Handed or same as now
Falchions same
Doomfist is a Power Fist
Greatsword is Fleshbane, Armourbane, AP1, 2++, FNP, ID, Preferred Enemy, Hatred...the works really.

Also, kind of cut off at the bottom, I assume 2 in every 5 can take a heavy weapon.

 Deadshot wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Otherwise you'd have entire units of termies with 2++ in close combat thanks to their Nemesis Swords.

Nemesis Warding Staves....which are apparently cheaper now if the earlier leaks are true.

There are no rumours that allow the entire squad to get them. In the 5th Ed codex only 1 model per squad can get one.

The leaked army builder screenshots on page 14 show that in a paladin unit any model may take a staff for 5 pts.

Damn

In which case I highly doubt keeping the 2+ Invulnerable. I predict it will have Force Staff stats with whatever Nemesis Weapons have this time around, Daemonbane or something. So +2 Str, AP4, Concussive.
Swords will be AP3
Halberds either Ap 2 Unwieldy 2 Handed or same as now
Falchions same
Doomfist is a Power Fist
Greatsword is Fleshbane, Armourbane, AP1, 2++, FNP, ID, Preferred Enemy, Hatred...the works really.

As of right now Force weapons with exception to the Daemon Hammer are AP3, but I'd kill for more AP2 in the army

 agnosto wrote:
Also, kind of cut off at the bottom, I assume 2 in every 5 can take a heavy weapon.

Kindof wondering what the Nemesis Banner does