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On the crowe point, he doesn't use it's power as it's really EVIL. So he doesn't use it's power but controls it as just a combat blade, and everyone knows that he is so holy, there is no problem with him using it. And you could have GK with radicalish inquistors and my inq had a daemonblade and GK's with her.

Quickjager wrote:


Inquisition lists relied somewhat heavily on the psychic dice generated by the GK psychic pilots of Razorbacks. That and cheap Obj. Sec units. Now they get neither.

The objective secured rule and psychic dice have existed for barely three months. Someone who rushed out and spent money to build a list based on the interactions between the freshest content available and the 2nd oldest codex (now the oldest since the release of Orks) might have been a bit shortsighted IMO. I mean it sucks that it happened to them but it's not like they shattered a time-honored meta.

Reading through all these posts I've seen several mentions of the Grey Knights scoring an objective if they kill their allies. Is that part of the leak, or did someone on here come up with it? Would it be an optional objective they can use near the end game to break a tie or deny the opponent victory?

It's based on the preview text of the cards...

ForeverARookie wrote:
Reading through all these posts I've seen several mentions of the Grey Knights scoring an objective if they kill their allies. Is that part of the leak, or did someone on here come up with it? Would it be an optional objective they can use near the end game to break a tie or deny the opponent victory?

Based on a WD hint where we get a Tactical Objective card called "No Witnesses"

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
Reading through all these posts I've seen several mentions of the Grey Knights scoring an objective if they kill their allies. Is that part of the leak, or did someone on here come up with it? Would it be an optional objective they can use near the end game to break a tie or deny the opponent victory?

Based on a WD hint where we get a Tactical Objective card called "No Witnesses"

Sounds interesting, but I bet that card is just "kill x number of units" with a different title. That's how most of the Ork objectives were- I think they had a grand total of one truly unique objective.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Sounds interesting, but I bet that card is just "kill x number of units" with a different title. That's how most of the Ork objectives were- I think they had a grand total of one truly unique objective.

Decide for yourself:

˘The “No witnesses!” card is a particularly sinister, though entertaining, addition to the deck”.
I would be personally very disappointed if it was just “Destroy enemy units”…

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˘The “No witnesses!” card is a particularly sinister, though entertaining, addition to the deck”.
I would be personally very disappointed if it was just “Destroy enemy units”…

Ok, that's pretty compelling evidence.

It's really tiresome that people will defend GWs stupid strategies as "it fits the fluff!" The company made the fluff up! (but actually stole a great deal of it and then has the gall to sue people over IP). The fluff is completely arbitrary. The game is "hard selling point" of the matter; if you ruin my capabilities to enjoy the game by drastically increasing the cost, it's BAD. Definitively. The product has less value; less actual game rules, high cost is less value. There's no opinion there, that's fact.

Yeesh, it just reeks. And no, "regular everything scores" is not the same as OBSEC. The game runs on OBSEC now.

ForeverARookie wrote:

Also, I don't know how I feel about Daemons getting a buff when they're facing Grey Knights. It'd be fine if the buff the Grey Knights get when facing Daemons is enough to counter it. But honestly, the Grey Knights should be the toughest enemy Daemons ever have to face, so their buffs shouldn't have them giggling with glee to be up against an army with a Grey Knight detachment.

The fluff is that because if there are Grey Knights in the first place there, you can assume it's a huge MAJOR daemon incursion, hence why there are so many more daemons around than usual (and thus why the Grey Knights were called in the first place).

This is one of those cases where it works both fluff wise and balance wise cause otherwise (depending on things but generally BY DESIGN in this hypothetical case) daemon players might as well just give up if they go up against a Grey Knights player.

Depends on what sort of 'buff' they get.

I wonder if the fluff retcons out the Ward "Secret Box" that only Grand Masters know about that the Emprah left them?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Depends on what sort of 'buff' they get.

This... In the old codex: daemonhunters, lesser daemons recieved the "without number" rule. Allowing them to come out of reserves again at full force after the GK player destroyed them.

Also, that was when GKs didn't come standard with a bunch of anti-demon tools and spells. So ironically, daemons was the worst matchup and the hardest one to face if you ran an "all rounder" army designed to take anything on and not sink your points into specific anti-demon stuff.

If you did sink your points in the anti-demon stuff, they'd vanish like snow before the sun, but it required list tailoring. So I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

But hey... now that summoning is a thing, this might just become interesting, or an uphill struggle for GKs, remains to be seen.

Also, to the guy who said you just use codex: Inquisition as the only source for your army... I don't think 3 henchmen units with DT and 2 HQs is going to get people very far in that one.

TiamatRoar wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:

Also, I don't know how I feel about Daemons getting a buff when they're facing Grey Knights. It'd be fine if the buff the Grey Knights get when facing Daemons is enough to counter it. But honestly, the Grey Knights should be the toughest enemy Daemons ever have to face, so their buffs shouldn't have them giggling with glee to be up against an army with a Grey Knight detachment.

The fluff is that because if there are Grey Knights in the first place there, you can assume it's a huge MAJOR daemon incursion, hence why there are so many more daemons around than usual (and thus why the Grey Knights were called in the first place).

This is one of those cases where it works both fluff wise and balance wise cause otherwise (depending on things but generally BY DESIGN in this hypothetical case) daemon players might as well just give up if they go up against a Grey Knights player.

I don't think it's a good idea fluff or balance wise, because in the fluff every Grey Knight is practically a Primarch compared to the rest of the Space Marines, so they should mow through Chaos like it's nothing, and that wouldn't be good gameplay.

If you're penalized for fielding Grey Knights vs daemons, then fewer people will play Grey Knights, and virtually no one will take them as allies, ultimately hurting sales and making it a bad idea.

I don't know what sort of buff the Daemons would get, or what sort of buff the Grey Knights could get to balance it out, but I think it is just overly complicated. The factions have sort of a Paper - Scissors - Rock balance to them and Chaos Daemons are supposed to be the Paper to the Grey Knight Scissors. Balance wise, the Tau would be the Rock to the Grey Knight Scissors. It's not a perfect balance, but we shouldn't lose our advantage over a faction when other factions hold just as strong of an advantage over us as doing so would make the codex less viable.

has the deamons buff even been confirmed?

Frankly, if the buff goes both ways and turns GK and Demons up to 11, this could be awesome! What better way to emphasise the power and importance of the GK than by upping the ante against their most powerful enemies!

pre-orders are up and such

WOH woh woh

20 bucks for assassins?! seriously? and Ipad only?

ForeverARookie wrote:

If you're penalized for fielding Grey Knights vs daemons, then fewer people will play Grey Knights, and virtually no one will take them as allies, ultimately hurting sales and making it a bad idea.

I don't know what sort of buff the Daemons would get, or what sort of buff the Grey Knights could get to balance it out, but I think it is just overly complicated. The factions have sort of a Paper - Scissors - Rock balance to them and Chaos Daemons are supposed to be the Paper to the Grey Knight Scissors. Balance wise, the Tau would be the Rock to the Grey Knight Scissors. It's not a perfect balance, but we shouldn't lose our advantage over a faction when other factions hold just as strong of an advantage over us as doing so would make the codex less viable.

But you aren't supposed to be penalized for fielding Grey Knights vs Daemons (whether or not It turns out to be the case in either direction would be due to math flaws, not design-intent).

Grey Knights are supposed to get a whole ton of rules that give them bonuses against daemons. Daemons meanwhile get a ton of special rules that give them increased numbers (or maybe power, with the fluff being that the planet's already partially in the warp by now. I myself would just prefer numbers like in the past, though) to balance against that. In the end, it evens out (well, it's supposed to). With Grey Knights mowing down daemons left and right just like they are supposed to do so, but the daemon horde being HUGE, just like it's supposed to be whenever Grey Knights are involved (because that's why Grey Knights are there in the first place).

That's the design and fluff intent, at least. The execution is still up in the air.

 Desubot wrote:
WOH woh woh

20 bucks for assassins?! seriously? and Ipad only?

You should be thanking GW for the privilege of spending your money on their quality products.

It is not ipad only


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 Desubot wrote:
WOH woh woh

20 bucks for assassins?! seriously? and Ipad only?

Ha! So I was under-costing it! The old Grey Knights book was $33, and in order to maintain the same army you had from the last edition you now have to pay more than *twice* the cost as before!

$50 for Grey Knights + $20 for Assassins, so $70! (actually a little more than double, but that's not the point) This is...GREAT NEWS!

Also, I see the Limited Edition has been bumped up to $110. You know, because customers are sheep or something...

Ah didnt see that one on the main US site some how.

DANG IT 2 bucks off/

 Desubot wrote:

So who wants to take bets on the price.

I say 14 US

 Accolade wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
WOH woh woh

20 bucks for assassins?! seriously? and Ipad only?

Ha! So I was under-costing it! The old Grey Knights book was $33, and in order to maintain the same army you had from the last edition you now have to pay more than *twice* the cost as before!

$50 for Grey Knights + $20 for Assassins, so $70! (actually a little more than double, but that's not the point) This is...GREAT NEWS!

Also, I see the Limited Edition has been bumped up to $110. You know, because customers are sheep or something...

Plus £16 ($25?) for Inquisition.

Interestingly, I noticed that in all currencies the LE is more than twice the price of the regular codex, except in Norwegian kroner, where it's 700 NOK (compared to 380 NOK for the regular).

 Accolade wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
WOH woh woh

20 bucks for assassins?! seriously? and Ipad only?

Ha! So I was under-costing it! The old Grey Knights book was $33, and in order to maintain the same army you had from the last edition you now have to pay more than *twice* the cost as before!

$50 for Grey Knights + $20 for Assassins, so $70! (actually a little more than double, but that's not the point) This is...GREAT NEWS!

Also, I see the Limited Edition has been bumped up to $110. You know, because customers are sheep or something...

U forgettin Inq codex.

Also disclaimer; i actually did buy the limited edition. A sad sucker for grey knights

 Accolade wrote:

Ha! So I was under-costing it! The old Grey Knights book was $33, and in order to maintain the same army you had from the last edition you now have to pay more than *twice* the cost as before!

$50 for Grey Knights + $20 for Assassins, so $70! (actually a little more than double, but that's not the point) This is...GREAT NEWS!
...

Depends on how much the Assassins have changed. If the changes are small or only points changes, just use the old codex for the inq and assassins stuff, with point changes noted down if needed.

Looks like the "Bring multiple assassins" formation is getting reprinted/ updated.

The price is high, but it all depends on what is in the expansion. The preview mentions the four assassins and the formation. Maybe there will be a couple missions tossed in like Cypher had?

I know I will be picking it up, as I have wanted to run assassins but I didn't like paying a tax in GK to do it.

Ya'll are right, I was forgetting the Inquisition since the had their own mini-dex released a white back, my apologies.

Soooooooo if you want to run the same army from your Grey Knights book (that was published in what, 2011?), you go from a $33 book to...

New rad Hardback: $50
Killer awesome Assassin Dataslate: $20
Bodacious Inquisition EBook: $25

So $95 dollars to keep playing your army. Shut up, stop complaining, you owe GW this money you haters. They're not a charity, yada yada yada (just helping everyone out by adding the usual responses )

 Happygrunt wrote:
Looks like the "Bring multiple assassins" formation is getting reprinted/ updated.

The price is high, but it all depends on what is in the expansion. The preview mentions the four assassins and the formation. Maybe there will be a couple missions tossed in like Cypher had?

I know I will be picking it up, as I have wanted to run assassins but I didn't like paying a tax in GK to do it.

I will reluctantly as well.

Im just hoping they add something more. (missions would be awesome or perhaps some crazy VP things like a specific target for each assassins or something interesting ya know?)