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kestral wrote:
Pure grey knights is the end of the world for those of us who played henchmen lists. I hadn't really been paying attention, but unless I missed some labrythine combination of data slates, codexi, unbound craziness and so on there isn't anyway to run a henchman army in storm ravens. Codex Inquistion has no troops and only 3 elites, right? So my favorite army of the last two years is literally gone. It was a niche build I suppose, but it still pisses me off. A lot. I put a ton of modeling love into that build.

There is a dataslate for a storm raven and two of the small fliers. You could also get a minimal CAD (count tacticals as PA crusaders) from any marine army to field 3 storm ravens. The inquisition is battlebrothers with the entire empire, so there is no problem in hijacking a couple of planes from them.

ForeverARookie wrote:
The only way to make Deepstriking viable for the Grey Knights is if they can assault the turn they come in and have reduced scatter.

No need to insult Blood Angel players any more than necessary

Keep in mind that GK might get some army-wide rules akin to chapter tactics or force multiplying special rules on HQs, like many ork HQs got.

Brutishcard wrote:
There's just no escaping that this is a horrifically reduced value product.. Surprises me because I thought gk were really popular? The fact that they got utterly smashed in their white dwarf appearance isn't great either... Although maybe that was just unlucky.

I also don't get why deep striking helps? Try that going first against a tau gun line and you will be tabled by turn 2 IF you get lucky with invulnerable saves.

I've bought the book as have been with gk since the deamonhunters days, but will return it just to make a point. The rumours about pulling visions indicate that GW May at least be thinking about those sales figures....

What would you expect?
In the WD battle report, the GK player placed the GK units all over the place. Two units at one flank, two other at another. Makes no sense. Daemons were obviously able with units at both flanks. I would have been better to keep the units together and down one flank first. Then moving towards the centre and repeat. But this seems to be higher math...

Yeah granted they did not play the army very well, and I've also been at the mercy of some lucky draws on the objectives cards (and have to say I think that's the best thing that has happened to the game for a long time).

I have a half built set of ghost knights that I will probably be trying to return to GW..

Brutishcard wrote:

I have a half built set of ghost knights that I will probably be trying to return to GW..

Don't waste the effort you've already put into them. Finish up the squad, make it look awesome, and run them as Paladins. It's bad that the option for the Ghosts has gone, but it's better to have cool counts-as than nothing.

By the way, welcome to Dakka!

And who knows, there might still be some relic of some sorts that returns some form of ghost knight. It will only be a few days before more details will leak out - I'd await any buying or selling decisions until all the info is known.

 Paradigm wrote:

Brutishcard wrote:

I have a half built set of ghost knights that I will probably be trying to return to GW..

Don't waste the effort you've already put into them. Finish up the squad, make it look awesome, and run them as Paladins. It's bad that the option for the Ghosts has gone, but it's better to have cool counts-as than nothing.

By the way, welcome to Dakka!

Haha thanks! I'd been lurking for long enough and felt particularly cheesed with this issue! To be fair there is always the hope that there will be some sort of relic to let you run them. That would actually be kinda cool. Ultimately GW will get my money as I'll probably end up starting up another army.

Did hear at GenCon that psybolts are gone from the main rule book but are standard special rules for anything chosen from the "Lords of Terra" supplement. So....yet ANOTHER cash grab.

Yeah. I know. I have the new white dwarf.

Jeez, it's like they're begging us to share copies amongst friends.

Painnen wrote:
Did hear at GenCon that psybolts are gone from the main rule book but are standard special rules for anything chosen from the "Lords of Terra" supplement. So....yet ANOTHER cash grab.

Heard from who?

Hmm, with the space wolf leaked version it looks like the dreadknights can take double heavy weapons of the same kind.

So a double heavy incinerator and personal teleporter is 200pts. Not great not terrible though. 220pts for double psilencers, and 230pts for double heavy psycannons.

Also looks like the fists aren't nemesis anymore either.

Painnen wrote:Did hear at GenCon that psybolts are gone from the main rule book but are standard special rules for anything chosen from the "Lords of Terra" supplement. So....yet ANOTHER cash grab.

What do the Lords of Terra have to do with Grey Knights?

lliu wrote:Yeah. I know. I have the new white dwarf.

The supplement is mentioned in the White Dwarf? Or are you talking about something else?

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Hmm, with the space wolf leaked version it looks like the dreadknights can take double heavy weapons of the same kind.

So a double heavy incinerator and personal teleporter is 200pts. Not great not terrible though. 220pts for double psilencers, and 230pts for double heavy psycannons.

Also looks like the fists aren't nemesis anymore either.

I love the idea of Two sets of Gatling Psilencers.

I am really really really hoping that we haven't lost Psybolt ammo. I am not too bothered if the 'Lords of Tera' supplement has psy ammo in it, as long as Grey Knights don't lose it.

It has been in every one of my builds, and allowed me to play a straight grey knight list with very minimal access to high str weapons other than psycannons.

Ok where did this "Lords Of Terra" Thing pop up from, other than one guy saying he heard from another guy about it?

Supposedly it's in the newest white dwarf (the one coming out this weekend)

So psybolt ammo IS Emperor Psykec poop?

Consider lords of "Terra"?

 Redemption wrote:
And who knows, there might still be some relic of some sorts that returns some form of ghost knight. It will only be a few days before more details will leak out - I'd await any buying or selling decisions until all the info is known.

Dataslate ghost knights! And only for $20!

 Desubot wrote:
So psybolt ammo IS Emperor Psykec poop?

Consider lords of "Terra"?

And is Psyflame ammunition his urine?

You'd think it would be.Lords of.Titan if it is GK focused.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
So psybolt ammo IS Emperor Psykec poop?

Consider lords of "Terra"?

And is Psyflame ammunition his urine?

Well i dont know about psyflames but the psybolts are made by anointing it with the psycic goo that pops out of the golden thrown according to the GK book.

Kangodo wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So what are we getting exactly? No storm shields, losing half the codex, no new unit, no psybolt ammo, maybe a rule to give us first turn deep strike(something dark angels do much better). I don't know I am havering a really hard time getting excited for this codex update I was really trying to keep a positive attitude, I even posted earlier how not getting a unit is ok as long as they make the units we have better/ cheaper, or even better option like I dint know......STORM SHIELDS!!!! I apologies for rants but my grey knights just got gutted, of course my tyranids still are well tyranids, and I just read in another thread instead of my BA(my pride and joy army) getting updated it is going to STUPID necrons next!!!!
Why just WHY!!!!!

Urgh..
1) We hardly know anything except that the Codex will be pure Grey Knights.
2) Psybolt ammunition, Storm Shields, where are you getting your information?
3) Necrons? That is completely "untrue" and there is nothing to suggest they are next. Nevertheless they wouldn't release three Marine-codices in a row when there are still two Xenos-armies left.

Maybe we can wait a week before calling the end of the world as we know it?

Now if I misunderstood I will stand corrected but according to the most recent rumors I have read on this site
Via necron rumors thread they are next soo yeah there is something to suggest that. Furthermore on the psybolt thing a third of this thread
is people sayin no psybolt ammo, I asked about storm shields and was told unlikely to get them.

Anyone who has claimed anything about psybolts either way has never posted any source to confirm it one way or the other.

Storm shields, unlikely due to the fact that the GK term kit doesnt come with them

 Eldarain wrote:
You'd think it would be.Lords of.Titan if it is GK focused.

It is lords of Titan. Mistyped. Funny though I read it as Titan each time to myself so never noticed. Source is hardly 100% credible but he did have the white dwarf and owns a shop here in the Midwest .

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Anyone who has claimed anything about psybolts either way has never posted any source to confirm it one way or the other.

Storm shields, unlikely due to the fact that the GK term kit doesnt come with them

People are mentioning there is possibly no psybolt ammo cause the images that were leaked below show no options of purchasing psybolt ammunition as an upgrade. So this means one of four things:

1) It's gone
2) It's an army wide special rule
3) It's gone but could be brought back via formation
4) It's gone but could be brought back via Supplement

http://astropate.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/nuovi-cavalieri-grigi-lista.html

This is just normal "the sky is falling" and "my codex didn't come with an auto win button" complaining that occurs with every codex.

Remember most gamers are socially awkward and are very pessimistic.

The codex isn't even out yet and there is the most complaining.

Incoming.... "well my henchmen are gone" well that's good cause you were probably running (2) 3 man squads to fill FOC which is just silly lame thing to do or you were running monkey trucks but probably never even bought the models cause they were expensive and just embarked in chimeras. Also there's an Inquisition codex that came out last year, if you were truly a big fan of the Inquisition, you probably would have already purchased it and shouldn't be complaining. It did come with a few cool relics and a real warlord table.

I have been running pure GKs with good success, I win some and I lose some, I love the look of my army and I have fun.

I hope with the codex dropping Friday we get some rules leaks soon

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I hope with the codex dropping Friday we get some rules leaks soon

Wednesday is when it shows up at GWs and all LGSs in north America so I imagine more stuff will leak, and by Friday the brits will have the digital copies at midnight (so 7pm ish for most of north America).

Speculation here, but what if Psybolt was an army wide rule that gave all bolt guns and derivatives rending?

Might explain some of the points costing, and the absence of the option, without making it disappear entirely.

considering that the price drop on teleporters for DK's ALONE makes up the points letting me actually take GK SS's as troops, something I wanted to do but couldnt due to the prohibitivly expensive DK and interceptors with jump packs, I call it a win.

as has been said, everyone who likes the inquisition would have bought their codex, and can still include 3-6 units in their GK army as they did before.

there is a lot that could be going on with the rules, we just simply do not know anything about how the rules will change at this point, everything is based off of a "bug" army builder, which could be 100% off for all we know.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
Speculation here, but what if Psybolt was an army wide rule that gave all bolt guns and derivatives rending?

Might explain some of the points costing, and the absence of the option, without making it disappear entirely.

that would be an awesome rule, not sure its how it will work, but would be awesome if it was.

I would love to see them get true grit back as well

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Anyone who has claimed anything about psybolts either way has never posted any source to confirm it one way or the other.

Woop nvm those are Psyc-out grenades im thinking of.