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I skimmed through these pages, I see confirmation that no units have the option for Psybolt ammo. And unless I missed it, no unit comes with it by default. Does that sound right?

Yep. Its out dead and buried

Its still on C:INQ but wonder how long thats gona last.

 daedalus wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I've only skimmed this thread so I may have missed it, but do these guys not get any new models?

Nope. No new models, half the units and pretty much any upgrade that doesn't have a bit to represent it are gone.

Laaaaaame.

Thanks for answering though.

Matt Ward recting continues?

Both purifiers and strike squad guys went up slightly on price. I guess to pay for their sergeant / justicar character. That coupled with the psycannon nerf and the lack of psychic pilot is bad news for PAGK.

The only buff there is interceptors with incinerators are cheaper.

 Auswin wrote:
The relic storm bolter is hilarious, especially given it's the exact same cost as the Space Wolf relic bolter.

GK: 24", Assault 3, S4 AP5, Precise

SW: 24", Rapid fire, S5 AP4, Ignores cover OR S4, AP5, Hellfrost

The GK one is 36"

haroon wrote:

 Auswin wrote:
The relic storm bolter is hilarious, especially given it's the exact same cost as the Space Wolf relic bolter.

GK: 24", Assault 3, S4 AP5, Precise

SW: 24", Rapid fire, S5 AP4, Ignores cover OR S4, AP5, Hellfrost

The GK one is 36"

Okay, so it is. That makes it a touch better. Still prefer the SW one, but that's okay I suppose.

Strikes in a las/plas or tl-las razorback are about the only reason I can see to take them. Get some much needed long range fire in the list. I suppose 10 PAGK with incenerators in a rhino, combat squaded (DS one combat squad if needed for maelstrom and the like) but man lotta points there.

May have to get a crusader for my draigo ball since its 7 models, blegh.

I don't see Psychic Pilot on any of those vehicles either.

Hmm, I guess I'm glad I'm only a single 5 man PAGK box into my GK army.

Wow termi's got cheap.

That's kinda cool. Looks like they removed Psybolt ammo altogether and cut down on the psychic pilot stuff.

Looks like a relatively cut down release from the last book. I like the cheap termi's, everything else looks mostly the same (was the Dreadknight always absurdly cheap?), and some of the more insane things like 5pt psybolt removed. The lack of henchmen may hurt though.

Looks very similar to the SW release overall.

Super Newb wrote:
Both purifiers and strike squad guys went up slightly on price. I guess to pay for their sergeant / justicar character. That coupled with the psycannon nerf and the lack of psychic pilot is bad news for PAGK.

The only buff there is interceptors with incinerators are cheaper.

I disagree. Purifiers being ML2 psykers who come standard with cleansing flame (was like that before, ML2 is new) is nothing to be sneezed at. They will not want to take psycannons anymore though...

But with 2 incinerators on them in a rhino and the fact that you can cast their nove out of the tophatch, they are pretty decent at busting hordes. Especially if you consider that they only clock in at 170p in that formation. True pyromaniacs!

Incinerators on interceptors is also really good as well.

Purgation squads and strike squads are dead though... Sad... :(

 easysauce wrote:
ummmm no, you are just wrong sorry, st 3, with *6* shots per gun means that even when fishing for 6's you have a decent chance to insta gib stuff...

A 1/27 chance to put a single wound on a carnifex and a 1/54 chance to put a wound on a Riptide or swooping T6 5++ FMC is a "decent chance"?


And those calculations were made at strength 4, for the record.

@pretre

U sir are a god amongst men.

The shining star of many peoples life

A personal hero for every grey knight player out there

And the glorious champion of rumor tracking and new releases!

Is there something I'm missing with brother captains and grand masters? I see no benefit taking either at their points over a champion or ML3 libby

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
May have to get a crusader for my draigo ball since its 7 models, blegh.

I'm actually going to attempt that with an ordo malleus inquisitor with liber heresius to give that unit scout move in the LR. I believe that allows it to drive forward 12" before the game even starts... it could mean that you end up with a turn 1 charge for draigo and his palladins. 8 terminators in a single unit will sting. If you toss in a personal teleporter, you might be able to shunt all 3 DKs in for a second turn charge fest as well with those guys. ;-)

Woh hang on.


so since GK follows there own specific Cad they dont get OS on there troops?

or is the nemesis strike force a "Optional" detachment?

 Elmir wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
May have to get a crusader for my draigo ball since its 7 models, blegh.

I'm actually going to attempt that with an ordo malleus inquisitor with liber heresius to give that unit scout move in the LR. I believe that allows it to drive forward 12" before the game even starts... it could mean that you end up with a turn 1 charge for draigo and his palladins. 8 terminators in a single unit will sting. If you toss in a personal teleporter, you might be able to shunt all 3 DKs in for a second turn charge fest as well with those guys. ;-)

Cant charge if you scout turn 1, in the scout rules.

 Auswin wrote:
Is there something I'm missing with brother captains and grand masters? I see no benefit taking either at their points over a champion or ML3 libby

Captains/GM have better stat lines, more wounds, better invuln saves. So i guess if you want something a bit more durable?

Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

Aaaah, shame. Oh well... Guess it'll be whole lot charging in turn 2 then... Still a scary prospect to get that deployed in front of your nose in the first turn. Deadlier and more reliable than the deepstrike move I reckon.

chnmmr wrote:
Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

How are paladins sub par? They didnt change, and their apothecary got 55 points cheaper.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

How are paladins sub par? They didnt change, and their apothecary got 55 points cheaper.

Besides all the weapon nerfs all around?

 Desubot wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

How are paladins sub par? They didnt change, and their apothecary got 55 points cheaper.

Besides all the weapon nerfs all around?

Point costs? Or the stat changes?

 Desubot wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

How are paladins sub par? They didnt change, and their apothecary got 55 points cheaper.

Besides all the weapon nerfs all around?

Which except for psybolt doesnt effect paladins?

chnmmr wrote:
Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

How do you reckon palladins got the shaft? with their new dirt cheap apothecary, I think they got better. With the changes to halberds, you might even want to consider some falchions on them for some insane damage output in melee now.

 pretre wrote:
What rule 4?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/456972.page
That rule 4.

And can we knock on your door when GW-legal decided to shut down this forum?
So please, remove those. A link to the /tg/ would be enough, despite not being fully allowed.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

How are paladins sub par? They didnt change, and their apothecary got 55 points cheaper.

Besides all the weapon nerfs all around?

Which except for psybolt doesnt effect paladins?

Well mostly the Nemesis weapons. no more 4+ invul, or Initative + n stuff.

 Elmir wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
Having my codex in hand at the moment... GW has really hammered GKs into the ground this time. Strike squads sub par, paladins sub par, Crowe and Champion useless, Purgation squad pointless, etc etc.

The ONLY things this codex has to offer are the buffed purifiers, interceptors, cheap dreadknights, cheap librarian and decent terminators. Somehow, it seems that the elite dread knights have become even more elite without the substance to back it up.

I'd rather have the tyranid codex than this pile of half assed crap.

How do you reckon palladins got the shaft? with their new dirt cheap apothecary, I think they got better. With the changes to halberds, you might even want to consider some falchions on them for some insane damage output in melee now.

I have 10 Paladins including 6 Halberds...I like Str5 base. Sure, the Int bonus would have been nice but I think between them they could tackle a Wraightknight if they get there. And with that new detachment for T1 goodiess.....

Edit; Also, anyone know what Swords are like this time around? I just built 5 Termies with them and a Psilincer... is it just AP3?

You ran paladins with swords? O.o

So.....Ya.....no psybolts.....and psycannons pretty much suck now....

Kinda curious how GKs are supposed to do anything in the game now other than die to ranged armies....just saying.

Looks like a book I wont be buying and an army that is no longer effectively playable.

Yep thanks GW great job on product design and market analysis.