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sqeeswy wrote:
@mortetvie Gratz on 3rd place! Do you plan to do some battlereports from this tournament or describing your insight for running your list? I would gladly read sth like this from really great DEldar player.

I hope to get some battle reports done in the near future, keep your eyes on my blog for an update!

 jy2 wrote:
To me, it really doesn't matter one way or another as long as the tournament posts their house rule. There are just so many combos out there nowadays that the infiltrating issue is almost a non-issue to me personally. Heck, in all 4 of my games against marines, I was facing alpha-strike lists that went first against me - 2 drop pod armies, scouting White Scars and a devastating centurion star with Gate of Infinity. It is something you just need to take into account when building/playing your army.

If you don't like the rule, fine. Voice your complaint to the TO beforehand. Or just don't go. Problem solved. However, if you do decide to go, then you better be willing to play under their house rule. As for me, I could care less. I knew the rules going into the event and frankly, it isn't really that big a deal to me because it is a rules change that is easily adaptable.

There is a difference between you being OK with an unnecessary change and the overall principle. I respect your opinion on the matter, but for me I am looking at it from a community perspective. Adding more bloat further shrinks an already dwindling 40k community. I can't understand why, if a rule is no big deal to a die hard player like yourself, it needs to be added at the risk of turning other, less niche rules seasoned players, away from the event. Do you see my point now?

The game needs to shed weight, not put more on.

Your examples also have nothing to do with the topic btw. Are you trying to equate drop pod armies to adding invented rules?

You don't need to convince me. I think your concerns need to be addressed to the TO's themselves. But I guess it is alright to air it out in public in their thread. This way, they will most likely read it. Oh wait....this isn't Reece's thread.

I understand that there is a lot of pressure for TO's, especially since their tournament is the first major one to come out under the new 7th Ed. I am sure they were pushed in all directions, from their customer-base to pundits on the Internet to the opinions of the other TO's that they are discussing with. In any case, whereas I may not agree with all of their decisions, I nonetheless respect them and the time they take to formulate them as well as to put on the event. The rules/FAQ's for each tournament - especially the initial ones after a new edition change - won't be perfect, but I am sure that they will improve over time. Just give them the benefit of the doubt and politely tell them why you think something should or shouldn't be.

Lets keep this discussion to the army lists that made it to the top 10 and keep other discussion to another thread or PMs please. I know there is a lot to be discussed but what you guys are getting into now isn't appropriate for this particular thread, thanks! =)

Anyone have any idea what Alex Gonzalez #6 list looked like? I heard mention of pylons.

Got all the lists here, changed them all to Army Builder format. Including the three that were missing.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2014/08/06/tits-tournaments-bay-area-open-2014-top-10-lists/

I super interested to hear more about Carlos Kaisers Ultramarine list.

Given all the crazy gimmicks going on this list seems almost unreal for 2nd place. I'd love to hear about how it was being run to make it work.

So if you have stories please do tell

 Freyzor wrote:
I super interested to hear more about Carlos Kaisers Ultramarine list.

Given all the crazy gimmicks going on this list seems almost unreal for 2nd place. I'd love to hear about how it was being run to make it work.

So if you have stories please do tell

This last weekend's RTT I faced his BAO list, but at 1750. I think he prolly shorted it by 5 SM. We were 2 outta 3 players for TopSpot (4?). I lost to Carlos, but held him back in points (I was trying to play as hard too!). The other TopTable's guy, MikeFox, was able to garner more points for the RTT win. Carlos took Top Imperial Army and I nabbed Top Xeno army (eldar).

Anyway, Carlos has (memory already fuzzy) 7 or 8 Drop Pods. x2 Sternguard melta-spam for the First Blood near-gaurantee. There are two assault squads of Drop Pods, too. The rest is various melta/LasCan/MM tacitcals. Some Tacs are 5 guys, a couple others are the full 10, which he generally Combat Squads.

Plus Marnie-TwoFist-Calgar in his lighter, summer clothes (not T-Armor). He's a h2h bad-ass and a super great Army-Buffer. I let him alone, I assure you. Killed everything around him, but let him alone.

You can guess the goofery from there. 4 melta -heavy DP crews wreck your transports Turn 1. The other DPs land on objectives with ObjSec and Line Breaker.

And while you'd think little units of 5 SM ought to be easily wiped out, it's kinda tough when you've already been sucker punched out of 1/3 to half your fire power.

Against ImpKnights, he simply corralled the ImpKnights. Go to FaceBook, Game Empire Pasadena. There is a pic of that little trick (scroll through until you hit the Aug 40k tournament). I dunno quite how that defeated the ImpKnight army, but apparently the Imps were unable to go any aware for the Crusade Mission.

Anything more, Freyzor?

Calgar dropped 3 out of 4 knights(2 in one turn thanks to catastrophic explosion), thats how he won

His army is all melta, multi melta and combimelta. Calgar, 2-10man sternguard and the rest tac squads. All in drop pods

 Bahkara wrote:
Calgar dropped 3 out of 4 knights(2 in one turn thanks to catastrophic explosion), thats how he won

A big boy, Marnie is.

 Bahkara wrote:
His army is all melta, multi melta and combimelta. Calgar, 2-10man sternguard and the rest tac squads. All in drop pods

All MMs? Maybe he proxied a LasCan for an MM. And he was insistent that there were two Assault Squads, as Round 3 had killing all Fast Attack worth a bonus point. Which amused me to no end, as Carlos couldn't finish the WarpSpiders (maybe 4 or 5 left) and a lone Swooping Hawk.

 Brothererekose wrote:

 Bahkara wrote:
Calgar dropped 3 out of 4 knights(2 in one turn thanks to catastrophic explosion), thats how he won

A big boy, Marnie is.

 Bahkara wrote:
His army is all melta, multi melta and combimelta. Calgar, 2-10man sternguard and the rest tac squads. All in drop pods

All MMs? Maybe he proxied a LasCan for an MM. And he was insistent that there were two Assault Squads, as Round 3 had killing all Fast Attack worth a bonus point. Which amused me to no end, as Carlos couldn't finish the WarpSpiders (maybe 4 or 5 left) and a lone Swooping Hawk.

Did he really try to play off one of his Tac squads as an assault squad?

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:

 Bahkara wrote:
Calgar dropped 3 out of 4 knights(2 in one turn thanks to catastrophic explosion), thats how he won

A big boy, Marnie is.

 Bahkara wrote:
His army is all melta, multi melta and combimelta. Calgar, 2-10man sternguard and the rest tac squads. All in drop pods

All MMs? Maybe he proxied a LasCan for an MM. And he was insistent that there were two Assault Squads, as Round 3 had killing all Fast Attack worth a bonus point. Which amused me to no end, as Carlos couldn't finish the WarpSpiders (maybe 4 or 5 left) and a lone Swooping Hawk.

Did he really try to play off one of his Tac squads as an assault squad?

This was at our local RTT not the BAO. Our local scene is ok with things like this when you're testing something new as long as you are upfront about it and consistent.

It's a very competitive scene but because we all know each other and have an awesome TO we are more laid back about some things.

 Spartan089 wrote:
Did he really try to play off one of his Tac squads as an assault squad?

What context is your question, Spartan? :
a. That Carlos did this at the BAO (as OverWatchCNC has replied) shenanigan
b. that he was pulling shenanigans on me at our local RTT
c. Maybe Bahkara's memory is worse than mine, and the drop from 1850 (BAO) to 1750 (GameEmpire's RTT) was some Tactical Points out for F.A.

As for 'b', having those SM being Assault Squads were only beneficial to me. They never got into assault, and were only a liability to him. One of *that* last mission's Bonus Points was to kill all Fast Attack. Doing so would have given a bonus point toward my overall tourney score.

Better?

No one truely plays by strict RAW that I have encountered, so that argument is pointless. If you do than a lot of things fall apart. Everyone house rules to an extent so as long as everyone is clear beforehand there should not be a problem.

 Brothererekose wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
Did he really try to play off one of his Tac squads as an assault squad?

What context is your question, Spartan? :
a. That Carlos did this at the BAO (as OverWatchCNC has replied) shenanigan
b. that he was pulling shenanigans on me at our local RTT
c. Maybe Bahkara's memory is worse than mine, and the drop from 1850 (BAO) to 1750 (GameEmpire's RTT) was some Tactical Points out for F.A.

As for 'b', having those SM being Assault Squads were only beneficial to me. They never got into assault, and were only a liability to him. One of *that* last mission's Bonus Points was to kill all Fast Attack. Doing so would have given a bonus point toward my overall tourney score.

Better?

I thought it was at BAO, if in a friendly game that's a different story.

Edit: if the was still at a tournament and he had no assault marines in his list, then it's still kind of bad.

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:

 Bahkara wrote:
Calgar dropped 3 out of 4 knights(2 in one turn thanks to catastrophic explosion), thats how he won

A big boy, Marnie is.

 Bahkara wrote:
His army is all melta, multi melta and combimelta. Calgar, 2-10man sternguard and the rest tac squads. All in drop pods

All MMs? Maybe he proxied a LasCan for an MM. And he was insistent that there were two Assault Squads, as Round 3 had killing all Fast Attack worth a bonus point. Which amused me to no end, as Carlos couldn't finish the WarpSpiders (maybe 4 or 5 left) and a lone Swooping Hawk.

Did he really try to play off one of his Tac squads as an assault squad?

I don't recall him mentioning assault squads but its a moot point. For 1750 he did replace 2 meltas with flamers. At the tourney if they didn't have a fast attack unit you got the bonus point.

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
Did he really try to play off one of his Tac squads as an assault squad?

What context is your question, Spartan? :
a. That Carlos did this at the BAO (as OverWatchCNC has replied) shenanigan
b. that he was pulling shenanigans on me at our local RTT
c. Maybe Bahkara's memory is worse than mine, and the drop from 1850 (BAO) to 1750 (GameEmpire's RTT) was some Tactical Points out for F.A.

As for 'b', having those SM being Assault Squads were only beneficial to me. They never got into assault, and were only a liability to him. One of *that* last mission's Bonus Points was to kill all Fast Attack. Doing so would have given a bonus point toward my overall tourney score.

Better?

I thought it was at BAO, if in a friendly game that's a different story.

Edit: if the was still at a tournament and he had no assault marines in his list, then it's still kind of bad.

See my previous post.

 Freyzor wrote:
I super interested to hear more about Carlos Kaisers Ultramarine list.

Given all the crazy gimmicks going on this list seems almost unreal for 2nd place. I'd love to hear about how it was being run to make it work.

So if you have stories please do tell

Here is a battle report between my Tyranids and Carlos' Ultramarines at the BAO (you'll have to scroll down a little):


1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT 2014

Thats the list he normally runs.

Is Carlos going to Brawl in the Fall, Casey?

 Julnlecs wrote:
Is Carlos going to Brawl in the Fall, Casey?

I believe 'no'. When a number of us GE guys said we were going, I don't recall him chiming in on attending.

Curious where the other armies placed. Does anyone know the first places on the list these armies show up:

orks
dark elder
imperial guard
necron
blood angels
sisters (if any)

 Orock wrote:
Curious where the other armies placed. Does anyone know the first places on the list these armies show up:

orks
dark elder
imperial guard
necron
blood angels
sisters (if any)

Does not mortetvie's Torrent of Fire link in the Original Post have this?

**opens another window. clicks**

Yup. Here a go:
http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/tournament/Bay-Area-Open-Championships/4/leaderboard

I think that drop pods (or any immobile vehicles really) having objective secured is a horrible oversight and far too powerful for an av 12, 3 hp, 35 point vehicle. It encourages 5 man tac squad spam to just sit on all the objectives the whole game and almost auto win on those points alone.


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Also ouch 39th place best showing for orks, right after a brand new codex. Marines won their first GT 2 weeks after the codex launched. Was hopeing they would put up a better showing, but I guess when only 4 people show up with em you cant expect much. Nobody wants to play the NPC army in a competitive environment.

Does anyone have any idea what List Geoff Robinson took?

I Know he took Tyranids, but I'm interested to know what he took...

Can't seem to find it anywhere :(!

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Does anyone have any idea what List Geoff Robinson took?

I Know he took Tyranids, but I'm interested to know what he took...

Can't seem to find it anywhere :(!

Here's a picture of Geoff's army. It involves the hierodule and a mycetic spore. BTW, the mycetic spore is a count-as Tyranid Void Shield Generator. Looks like he may be running the Living Artillery formation as well, though I don't know for sure.

Oh! And genestealers.....

 Orock wrote:
I think that drop pods (or any immobile vehicles really) having objective secured is a horrible oversight and far too powerful for an av 12, 3 hp, 35 point vehicle. It encourages 5 man tac squad spam to just sit on all the objectives the whole game and almost auto win on those points alone.


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Also ouch 39th place best showing for orks, right after a brand new codex. Marines won their first GT 2 weeks after the codex launched. Was hopeing they would put up a better showing, but I guess when only 4 people show up with em you cant expect much. Nobody wants to play the NPC army in a competitive environment.

This probably is due to the fact the marine book wasn't changed that much from the previous book(s) including Dark Angels. Marines are the most commonly played army, and least changed over time, plus figuring out that Grav Guns were good on infiltrating bikes with a CM on bike took negative time. People knew that was good before the codex came out officially. The Ork book is still being figured out, it was changed just enough in enough places from the previous codex that it made every ork player have to completely retool and reevaluate their lists and model collections. The same just wasn't true for Marine players.

Honestly I think 7th combined with the new mission system makes it so the top armies are in flux. Basically with the different missions types making it so that armies can build for different goals and still do well, or a army that is nearly tabled can actually be the winner by a significant margin. A lot of these things will bring a lot of variety to the table

The BAO is going to promote different builds than the Nova Open. There will be similarities sure, but I dont think that it will be the copy paste of past editions and I expect to see more variety than 5th and 6th, at least for awhile.

Lance formation is a beeotch !

Dozer Blades it's not that bad facing it when your army can deal with it.