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Breaking "news" from Gaza, in that the cease fire that was supposed to last 72 hours didn't even make it 90 minutes


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-mideast-gaza-idUSKBN0G008720140801

I don't know, I guess roughly 90 minutes of showing "restraint" towards the people your constitution says multiple times must be killed down to the last man, woman & child means Hamas was at least partially 'honest' about honouring the truce?!

I think it needs to be considered that trhe Palestinian people have no part of this (omg it's the one issue I'm serious on ) and suffer accordingly.
Egypt attacked Israel, Israel occupied gaza. 50 years on they are still there. Making the population live like gak.
If that was my country I KNOW where I would be.

You guys from the US . Why is Israel integral to US defence? I believe I read this this week, if not before.
From my point of view Israel is anti- US interest in the region as it gets EVERYONE else offside in the region.
Why support 1 country that gets everyone else in the region offside?

offside?? Not sure I'm understanding your usage of the word there.

I'll explain it good.

Why spend all of your time supporting a team that consistently (as the teams around there state) runs offside and disagrees with the referee.

Why spend your states money on something that alienates 90% of teams in the region and supports 1?
I fail to see how that supports US foreign policy, in fact I'd say it undermines it.

Look at it from their point of view.

A country that only existed as an empire for 400 years (and that's being generous) after having a terrorist campaign against Britain and not being promised a homeland after ww1 gets a country granted by the UN after ww2.
No one in that area wanted that country....in that area Jews had been better treated and more homogernous than anywhere bar Spain before the christians got there.

So not only did the colonial powers dislocate the region along non tribal lines, they also destabalised it along non religious lines which beforehand never made a great problem... in fact less of a problem than compared to europe.
They come up and divide their country..then some witch does something... then for the next 60 years you live in as police state where you have no control over your own property and law.
They demolish your houses to make way for the people who invaded your country, with no recourse of law.
somehow you guys are the guys in the wrong.Mainly because Egypt invaded 60 years ago. I think the palestinians should be held account for that

Have you guiys read what they have not been able to buy for 20 years????????????
It's fething bs

 Bullockist wrote:
I'll explain it good.

Why spend all of your time supporting a team that consistently (as the teams around there state) runs offside and disagrees with the referee.

Why spend your states money on something that alienates 90% of teams in the region and supports 1?
I fail to see how that supports US foreign policy, in fact I'd say it undermines it.

Look at it from their point of view.

A country that only existed as an empire for 400 years (and that's being generous) after having a terrorist campaign against Britain and not being promised a homeland after ww1 gets a country granted by the UN after ww2.
No one in that area wanted that country....in that area Jews had been better treated and more homogernous than anywhere bar Spain before the christians got there.

So not only did the colonial powers dislocate the region along non tribal lines, they also destabalised it along non religious lines which beforehand never made a great problem... in fact less of a problem than compared to europe.
They come up and divide their country..then some witch does something... then for the next 60 years you live in as police state where you have no control over your own property and law.
They demolish your houses to make way for the people who invaded your country, with no recourse of law.
somehow you guys are the guys in the wrong.

I think it's to do with some sort of guilt feeling for WW2 combined with religion.
Jesus was a jew after all, and Americans in general appear to live Jesus

Israel has no business existing as a nation, but it's too late to go back and keep it from being established. Way to go guys! Now we have a xenophobic hyper religious state armed with god knows how many nuclear devices, a feth all you attitude, and a damn fine military.

It's only going to get worse.

Experiment 626 wrote:
I don't know, I guess roughly 90 minutes of showing "restraint" towards the people your constitution says multiple times must be killed down to the last man, woman & child means Hamas was at least partially 'honest' about honouring the truce?!

Taking a break to reload does not constitute a cease fire....

Agreed, that's why the US should stop propping up it's military. Honestly, what does all that dollar get the US, except hostile nations,

 Bullockist wrote:
Agreed, that's why the US should stop propping up it's military. Honestly, what does all that dollar get the US, except hostile nations,

Soooo... Israel should stop fighting and be willing to be wiped off the earth?

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
Agreed, that's why the US should stop propping up it's military. Honestly, what does all that dollar get the US, except hostile nations,

Soooo... Israel should stop fighting and be willing to be wiped off the earth?

No, but they should work it out themselves, its not our fight to fight.

Sometimes the bad guys just win.

If they pick a fight with us, then lets just blow them off the planet, but for now we should spend more time worrying about our own country.

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
Agreed, that's why the US should stop propping up it's military. Honestly, what does all that dollar get the US, except hostile nations,

Soooo... Israel should stop fighting and be willing to be wiped off the earth?

That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I also wouldn't be bothered by them going "mad dog" and turning the entire Middle East into a glowing pile of ash. Both sides are at fault in this one and there is no solution that is going to work other than war.

RJCarrot wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
Agreed, that's why the US should stop propping up it's military. Honestly, what does all that dollar get the US, except hostile nations,

Soooo... Israel should stop fighting and be willing to be wiped off the earth?

No, but they should work it out themselves, its not our fight to fight.

Sometimes the bad guys just win.

If they pick a fight with us, then lets just blow them off the planet, but for now we should spend more time worrying about our own country.

Um... we're not fighting them... the Israeli themselves are.

Soooo Israel should stop acting beligerant and act like a country with a real future in that region.
Israel should stop occupying regions it cannot control without outside support. They will never control Gaza, there is only one way they can do it and that's abhorrent.
Without US military support Israel could not exist, fething think about that.
I will say even with support vietnam.
Oh america lost that one?
fething learn when to lose.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
Agreed, that's why the US should stop propping up it's military. Honestly, what does all that dollar get the US, except hostile nations,

Soooo... Israel should stop fighting and be willing to be wiped off the earth?

That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I also wouldn't be bothered by them going "mad dog" and turning the entire Middle East into a glowing pile of ash. Both sides are at fault in this one and there is no solution that is going to work other than war.

Ah, disgusting opinion is disgusting.

Good job!

trex that's the best view I have heard out of the US in my whole time on dakka. Do you wear a tin hat?

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
Agreed, that's why the US should stop propping up it's military. Honestly, what does all that dollar get the US, except hostile nations,

Soooo... Israel should stop fighting and be willing to be wiped off the earth?

That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I also wouldn't be bothered by them going "mad dog" and turning the entire Middle East into a glowing pile of ash. Both sides are at fault in this one and there is no solution that is going to work other than war.

Ah, disgusting opinion is disgusting.

Good job!

Sure why not. Let them all kill each other and then we can play a LARP of Fallout on location.

 Bullockist wrote:
Soooo Israel should stop acting beligerant and act like a country with a real future in that region.

The Hamas is a group that deserves our sympathy? The same group that led 160 Palestinian children to their deaths as their small bodies were used to help build the terror tunnels?

Israel should stop occupying regions it cannot control without outside support. They will never control Gaza, there is only one way they can do it and that's abhorrent.

They didn't occupy Gaza.

Without US military support Israel could not exist, fething think about that.

*meh* they've been on their own for awhile dude.

I will say even with support vietnam.
Oh america lost that one?

Yeah... but, that's a political loss, not militarily.

fething learn when to lose.

How 'bout... feth no! 'Cuz, 'Merrica!!!

Well, anyone suggesting it would not be a bother if the middle east was nuked is an individual who is either trolling/joking or seriously disturbed/delusional.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Well, anyone seriously suggesting it would not be a bother if the middle east was nuked is an individual who is either trolling or disturbed/delusional.

Psudo trolling, Psudo for real.

I don't want them to nuke each other.

.... because, fallout.

But seriously I could care less what they are doing over there if it doesn't concern me. Let them kill each other until they can learn to be friends or at least tolerate each other.

One of two things will happen.

1. They will kill each other until they finally agree to disagree and come to a resolution.
2. They will kill each other until only one faction is left and then..... resolution.

Either way I don't want any part of it, if they start pointing guns at my kids, then we have a problem but until then, its sad but we need to keep our fingers out of other country's pudding.

Bullockist wrote:trex that's the best view I have heard out of the US in my whole time on dakka. Do you wear a tin hat?

MrDwhitey wrote:Well, anyone seriously suggesting it would not be a bother if the middle east was nuked is an individual who is either trolling or disturbed/delusional.

The reality is people die. Empires rise, fall, and fade away into the annals of history. The creation of Israel was a grievous error and only succeeded in destabilizing the region further. Israeli Jews and Muslims have no desire to cooperate or coexist peacefully. They've chosen their path. Let them reap the death they seek.



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RJCarrot wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Well, anyone seriously suggesting it would not be a bother if the middle east was nuked is an individual who is either trolling or disturbed/delusional.

Psudo trolling, Psudo for real.

I don't want them to nuke each other.

.... because, fallout.

But seriously I could care less what they are doing over there if it doesn't concern me. Let them kill each other until they can learn to be friends or at least tolerate each other.

One of two things will happen.

1. They will kill each other until they finally agree to disagree and come to a resolution.
2. They will kill each other until only one faction is left and then..... resolution.

Either way I don't want any part of it, if they start pointing guns at my kids, then we have a problem but until then, its sad but we need to keep our fingers out of other country's pudding.

Over 2000 nuclear devices have been detonated in the past 60 years. Probably in excess of one hundred in the western United States alone. Fallout appears to be largely a myth.

 trexmeyer wrote:

Bullockist wrote:trex that's the best view I have heard out of the US in my whole time on dakka. Do you wear a tin hat?

MrDwhitey wrote:Well, anyone seriously suggesting it would not be a bother if the middle east was nuked is an individual who is either trolling or disturbed/delusional.

The reality is people die. Empires rise, fall, and fade away into the annals of history. The creation of Israel was a grievous error and only succeeded in destabilizing the region further. Israeli Jews and Muslims have no desire to cooperate or coexist peacefully. They've chosen their path. Let them reap the death they seek.

Exactly, the cheese will stand alone....

And I like cheese....

Unless its swiss, screw swiss cheese.

"people die" is a hell of a lot different from "I wouldn't be bothered by the middle east being nuked"

Kids are raped by men and women, but I'm not bothered because eh, it's reality that it'll happen.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
"people die" is a hell of a lot different from "I wouldn't be bothered by the middle east being nuked"

Kids are raped by men and women, but I'm not bothered because eh, it's reality that it'll happen.

Kids being raped is just the tip of the iceberg. Humanity's innate self destructive tendencies know no bounds. Individuals might be saintly, but as a whole our species is a monstrous fiend.

This conflict will end when they want it to end, right now both sides seem willing to carry on the fight with there military units be they IDF or Hama's brigades.

And its gaining momentum, Israel just recently called in 16k more troops to readiness.

Its only going to get worse before things stop

 MrDwhitey wrote:
"people die" is a hell of a lot different from "I wouldn't be bothered by the middle east being nuked"

Kids are raped by men and women, but I'm not bothered because eh, it's reality that it'll happen.

I have the same outlook as I do for them here.

Kill the rapists.

It's wrong, it's unfortunate, but they need to do what they need to do. There are a ton of atrocities in the world, we can't fix them all. I would much rather have our military here securing our boarders and taking care of issue that need to be taken care of at home.

 Bullockist wrote:
I think it needs to be considered that trhe Palestinian people have no part of this (omg it's the one issue I'm serious on ) and suffer accordingly.
Egypt attacked Israel, Israel occupied gaza. 50 years on they are still there. Making the population live like gak.
If that was my country I KNOW where I would be.

You guys from the US . Why is Israel integral to US defence? I believe I read this this week, if not before.
From my point of view Israel is anti- US interest in the region as it gets EVERYONE else offside in the region.
Why support 1 country that gets everyone else in the region offside?

Israel left Gaza in 2005. So...you're completely wrong. Sorry.

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
Soooo Israel should stop acting beligerant and act like a country with a real future in that region.

The Hamas is a group that deserves our sympathy? The same group that led 160 Palestinian children to their deaths as their small bodies were used to help build the terror tunnels? BY the same angle the IDF does worse gak

Israel should stop occupying regions it cannot control without outside support. They will never control Gaza, there is only one way they can do it and that's abhorrent.

They didn't occupy Gaza. they did , how did they obtain Gaza as a territory then? magic?

Without US military support Israel could not exist, fething think about that.

*meh* they've been on their own for awhile dude.bs you gave them 1 billion dollar rearmament - as in ammunition about 10 days ago

I will say even with support vietnam.
Oh america lost that one?

Yeah... but, that's a political loss, not militarily.

fething learn when to lose.

How 'bout... feth no! 'Cuz, 'Merrica!!!

you guys lose every time you get in a foriegn war...you just got to stop doing them.

 Bullockist wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
Soooo Israel should stop acting beligerant and act like a country with a real future in that region.

The Hamas is a group that deserves our sympathy? The same group that led 160 Palestinian children to their deaths as their small bodies were used to help build the terror tunnels? BY the same angle the IDF does worse gak

Israel should stop occupying regions it cannot control without outside support. They will never control Gaza, there is only one way they can do it and that's abhorrent.

They didn't occupy Gaza. they did , how did they obtain Gaza as a territory then? magic?

Without US military support Israel could not exist, fething think about that.

*meh* they've been on their own for awhile dude.bs you gave them 1 billion dollar rearmament - as in ammunition about 10 days ago

I will say even with support vietnam.
Oh america lost that one?

Yeah... but, that's a political loss, not militarily.

fething learn when to lose.

How 'bout... feth no! 'Cuz, 'Merrica!!!

you guys lose every time you get in a foriegn war...you just got to stop doing them.

QFT.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Israel has no business existing as a nation, but it's too late to go back and keep it from being established. Way to go guys! Now we have a xenophobic hyper religious state armed with god knows how many nuclear devices, a feth all you attitude, and a damn fine military.

It's only going to get worse.

Israel is not even close to "hyper-religious." The majority of Israelis serving in the army aren't orthodox, and the majority of the ultra-orthodox don't serve in the army.

Thank you for your opinion of a nation's right to exist though. I'm assuming that you have no problem with the United States having been built over the corpses of millions of murdered Native Americans?