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WHY IS ISRAEL INTEGRAL TO US DEFENCE?
explain, because that was stated and I don't get it.

 Bullockist wrote:

I will say even with support vietnam.

Just going to pick this out to say something I noticed last night. I'm heavily into boardgames and was looking into one that has come out recently about Vietnam (Lake of Fire or something). Did you know that the flavour text says the massacre was of 22 civilians?

Big difference from a day of machine gunning and raping that ended in 300+ deaths.

Back on Israel and Hamas, Hamas is full of fething gak and I fething despise them. A terror group that managed to get into power over Israel making a mistake and not adhering to a peace deal, and then making it impossible to be removed from power so they can keep hitting the big bad Izzie. Hamas don't give a flying gak about the people of Palestine.

Israels leadership I also have a distinct dislike for, but it's a lot less currently than with Hamas. On both sides though, I just feel bad for the people being used by their respective leaders. Israel just have the ability to defend and attack far better than anything Hamas could hope for.

On a complete side note, I would love to visit Israel some day. And even though its purpose is depressing, I would love to see the Iron Dome in real life.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Israel has no business existing as a nation, but it's too late to go back and keep it from being established. Way to go guys! Now we have a xenophobic hyper religious state armed with god knows how many nuclear devices, a feth all you attitude, and a damn fine military.

It's only going to get worse.

Israel is not even close to "hyper-religious." The majority of Israelis serving in the army aren't orthodox, and the majority of the ultra-orthodox don't serve in the army.

Thank you for your opinion of a nation's right to exist though. I'm assuming that you have no problem with the United States having been built over the corpses of millions of murdered Native Americans?

Where would you even draw that conclusion from?

The history of America (and the world for that matter) is built over the corpses of the losers. Show some maturation.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Israel has no business existing as a nation, but it's too late to go back and keep it from being established. Way to go guys! Now we have a xenophobic hyper religious state armed with god knows how many nuclear devices, a feth all you attitude, and a damn fine military.

It's only going to get worse.

Israel is not even close to "hyper-religious." The majority of Israelis serving in the army aren't orthodox, and the majority of the ultra-orthodox don't serve in the army.

Thank you for your opinion of a nation's right to exist though. I'm assuming that you have no problem with the United States having been built over the corpses of millions of murdered Native Americans?

Where would you even draw that conclusion from?

The history of America (and the world for that matter) is built over the corpses of the losers. Show some maturation.

Exactly. Which is why Israel has a right to exist as a nation. People fought and died for its right to exist. Who are you to say otherwise?

Sidebar:

People keep talking about raping during war.

Where is this happening? I assume there is a conflict line where people are fighting over. Are people actually venturing into contested territory to get raped? And if the bad guys are coming to town to rape people, why don't they just kill them? Or is the problem that they don't have guns?

Not trolling here, seriously asking, I don't follow stuff from other countries, let alone stuff here at home.... I just can't understand how people can find time to drop trou and get to the rapin while gunfire is a thing.

There's a video called this land is mine, a animation.

Basically people have been during over that corner of world for thousands of years, and people think it will just stop now because we all see it on tv and disagree is a mad idea.

People have not changed, only when they do may there be peace.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:

I will say even with support vietnam.

Just going to pick this out to say something I noticed last night. I'm heavily into boardgames and was looking into one that has come out recently about Vietnam (Lake of Fire or something). Did you know that the flavour text says the massacre was of 22 civilians?

Big difference from a day of machine gunning and raping that ended in 300+ deaths.

Back on Israel and Hamas, Hamas is full of fething gak and I fething despise them. A terror group that managed to get into power over Israel making a mistake and not adhering to a peace deal, and then making it impossible to be removed from power so they can keep hitting the big bad Izzie. Hamas don't give a flying gak about the people of Palestine.

Israels leadership I also have a distinct dislike for, but it's a lot less currently than with Hamas. On both sides though, I just feel bad for the people being used by their respective leaders. Israel just have the ability to defend and attack far better than anything Hamas could hope for.

On a complete side note, I would love to visit Israel some day. And even though its purpose is depressing, I would love to see the Iron Dome in real life.

Gonna have to disagree, if it was your countrty taken over and the occypying ( i cannot spell ) power treated your people like gak over 3 generations how would you react?
I'd be with hamas
you have some witches maiming your populous or saomeone who might get you free...after 50 years that has to seem like a good deal. I've read books by left wing Israelis and it isn't kind to the state.

RJCarrot wrote:
Sidebar:

People keep talking about raping during war.

Where is this happening? I assume there is a conflict line where people are fighting over. Are people actually venturing into contested territory to get raped? And if the bad guys are coming to town to rape people, why don't they just kill them? Or is the problem that they don't have guns?

Not trolling here, seriously asking, I don't follow stuff from other countries, let alone stuff here at home.... I just can't understand how people can find time to drop trou and get to the rapin while gunfire is a thing.

You know when soldiers get to a population centre with no defence, they can have free reign of the civilians, backed up as they are with an army?

And that's not even discussing civilian opportunists who use the lack of police/deterrents/retribution and confusion during a war.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Israel has no business existing as a nation, but it's too late to go back and keep it from being established. Way to go guys! Now we have a xenophobic hyper religious state armed with god knows how many nuclear devices, a feth all you attitude, and a damn fine military.

It's only going to get worse.

Israel is not even close to "hyper-religious." The majority of Israelis serving in the army aren't orthodox, and the majority of the ultra-orthodox don't serve in the army.

Thank you for your opinion of a nation's right to exist though. I'm assuming that you have no problem with the United States having been built over the corpses of millions of murdered Native Americans?

Where would you even draw that conclusion from?

The history of America (and the world for that matter) is built over the corpses of the losers. Show some maturation.

Exactly. Which is why Israel has a right to exist as a nation. People fought and died for its right to exist. Who are you to say otherwise?

By that right champ so does Palestine.

For a start it has existed LONGER than israel.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

RJCarrot wrote:
Sidebar:

People keep talking about raping during war.

Where is this happening? I assume there is a conflict line where people are fighting over. Are people actually venturing into contested territory to get raped? And if the bad guys are coming to town to rape people, why don't they just kill them? Or is the problem that they don't have guns?

Not trolling here, seriously asking, I don't follow stuff from other countries, let alone stuff here at home.... I just can't understand how people can find time to drop trou and get to the rapin while gunfire is a thing.

You know when soldiers get to a population centre with no defence, they can have free reign of the civilians, backed up as they are with an army?

And that's not even discussing civilian opportunists who use the lack of police/deterrents/retribution and confusion during a war.

I guess so, its just hard to understand living in the US.

 Bullockist wrote:

Gonna have to disagree, if it was your countrty taken over and the occypying ( i cannot spell ) power treated your people like gak over 3 generations how would you react?
I'd be with hamas
you have some witches maiming your populous or saomeone who might get you free...after 50 years that has to seem like a good deal. I've read books by left wing Israelis and it isn't kind to the state.

And there's a reason people who are personally part of a case aren't allowed on juries.

Just because Israel does bad gak doesn't make Hamas a good deal. Hamas is fething evil.

"some witches maiming your populous" Hamas do that to the Palestinians too. Hamas lovingly perpetuates a situation (alongside Israel) that causes Palestinians to suffer.

"someone who might get you free" which is how the Nazis got in. Just saying.

Bad times make people vote for those that promise the most regardless of how unlikely it is they'll achieve it.

 Bullockist wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Israel has no business existing as a nation, but it's too late to go back and keep it from being established. Way to go guys! Now we have a xenophobic hyper religious state armed with god knows how many nuclear devices, a feth all you attitude, and a damn fine military.

It's only going to get worse.

Israel is not even close to "hyper-religious." The majority of Israelis serving in the army aren't orthodox, and the majority of the ultra-orthodox don't serve in the army.

Thank you for your opinion of a nation's right to exist though. I'm assuming that you have no problem with the United States having been built over the corpses of millions of murdered Native Americans?

Where would you even draw that conclusion from?

The history of America (and the world for that matter) is built over the corpses of the losers. Show some maturation.

Exactly. Which is why Israel has a right to exist as a nation. People fought and died for its right to exist. Who are you to say otherwise?

By that right champ so does Palestine.

For a start it has existed LONGER than israel.

...except that they, and the rest of their Arab Nationalist brothers got their asses handed to them trying to murder all the Jews there in 1948, 1967, and 1973.

And the whole "we were here first" argument is completely ridiculous. There was never any such thing as Palestinians. They were Syrians and Jordanians living in the British Mandate. They were never their own distinct people, with a culture and nation. "Palestinians" are on record saying this. That argument is ludicrous and irrelevant. Israel is there now. Deal with it.

 Bullockist wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Israel has no business existing as a nation, but it's too late to go back and keep it from being established. Way to go guys! Now we have a xenophobic hyper religious state armed with god knows how many nuclear devices, a feth all you attitude, and a damn fine military.

It's only going to get worse.

Israel is not even close to "hyper-religious." The majority of Israelis serving in the army aren't orthodox, and the majority of the ultra-orthodox don't serve in the army.

Thank you for your opinion of a nation's right to exist though. I'm assuming that you have no problem with the United States having been built over the corpses of millions of murdered Native Americans?

Where would you even draw that conclusion from?

The history of America (and the world for that matter) is built over the corpses of the losers. Show some maturation.

Exactly. Which is why Israel has a right to exist as a nation. People fought and died for its right to exist. Who are you to say otherwise?

By that right champ so does Palestine.

For a start it has existed LONGER than israel.

And was taken by conquest, rather than "k here you have some land enjoy - signed UK"

 thenoobbomb wrote:

And was taken by conquest, rather than "k here you have some land enjoy - signed UK"

Is that your version of Israel's War of Independence in 1948? Because it's completely wrong. Literally 1% of Israel's population died in that war. That's one out of every 100 people. They fought for that land.

and failed to maintain the territory or pacify it.
The true mark of conquest.
If you are doing a gak job, just stop.
In 60 years you still haven't managed to pacify an area through violence and privation. Maybe it's time for a new tack. Or maybe not and you could post "thumbs Up" pictures of guys whilst they are killing civillians.
Jews will never control Gaza nor as an extension after there invasion release in the 1990s.... the levant.
The seeds were sown.

 Bullockist wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:

I will say even with support vietnam.

Just going to pick this out to say something I noticed last night. I'm heavily into boardgames and was looking into one that has come out recently about Vietnam (Lake of Fire or something). Did you know that the flavour text says the massacre was of 22 civilians?

Big difference from a day of machine gunning and raping that ended in 300+ deaths.

Back on Israel and Hamas, Hamas is full of fething gak and I fething despise them. A terror group that managed to get into power over Israel making a mistake and not adhering to a peace deal, and then making it impossible to be removed from power so they can keep hitting the big bad Izzie. Hamas don't give a flying gak about the people of Palestine.

Israels leadership I also have a distinct dislike for, but it's a lot less currently than with Hamas. On both sides though, I just feel bad for the people being used by their respective leaders. Israel just have the ability to defend and attack far better than anything Hamas could hope for.

On a complete side note, I would love to visit Israel some day. And even though its purpose is depressing, I would love to see the Iron Dome in real life.

Gonna have to disagree, if it was your countrty taken over and the occypying ( i cannot spell ) power treated your people like gak over 3 generations how would you react?
I'd be with hamas
you have some witches maiming your populous or saomeone who might get you free...after 50 years that has to seem like a good deal. I've read books by left wing Israelis and it isn't kind to the state.

A son of the Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, Mosab Hassan Yousef, was interviewed on CNN. He has rejected Hamas and is now a Christian. In the interview, Yousef bluntly reminds us of what Hamas is really about... and it’s definitely not about the safety of Palistinians:

“Hamas does not care about the lives of Palestinians, or the lives of Israelis, or Americans; they don’t care about their own lives,” Yousef said. “They consider dying for their ideology a way of worship.

“Hamas is not seeking coexistence and compromise; Hamas is seeking conquest,” he added.

“The destruction of the state of Israel is not Hamas’ final destination. Hamas’ final destination is building an Islamic caliphate – an Islamic state on the rubble of every other civilization.”

Yousef, who was meant to be the heir to his father’s leadership role in Hamas, said Palestinian children as young as five years old are taught to be willing to take their own lives to achieve Hamas’s goals, as he was taught at a young age. “When I look at the children of Gaza, and I know what they are fed, I know that they have no choice,” he said.

Yousef said that Hamas targets civilians “as a tool of war” and that they were prepared for this from the age of 5 years old.

Nuggz, as far as I can tell you're both right when put together.

British Mandate said "k have it, but we ain't helping you keep it", then the Arab states said "lol no" and the Jews went "feth off" for a year till the Arab states were forced out. I could be completely wrong though.

Wow, dakka autocorrects insults to 'witches'. Ouch.

Anyways, I'm only surprised at the way the tempo is escalating in this conflict. didn't the last ceasefire last 4 hours before it broke? Israel won't keep agreeing to them if Hamas keeps breaking them.

 Bullockist wrote:
and failed to maintain the territory or pacify it.
The true mark of conquest.
If you are doing a gak job, just stop.
In 60 years you still haven't managed to pacify an area through violence and privation. Maybe it's time for a new tack. Or maybe not and you could post "thumbs Up" pictures of guys whilst they are killing civillians.
Jews will never control Gaza nor as an extension after there invasion release in the 1990s.... the levant.
The seeds were sown.

Bahahahahaha...this post...

They're doing a fantastic job. They turned a worthless strip of desert into a viable country that produces more technological innovation than all of the Muslim countries in the region combined. But please, tell me more about how much of a gak job they're doing.

The problem is not the job they're doing. It's that they're surrounded by psychopathic Islamic death cultists. Same problem that the Russians are having in Dagestan, that Indians had/have with Pakistan, that is happening in Indonesia, France is having in France, and the rest of the world over.

Up until 2005 the situation in Gaza wasn't really all that bad. It wasn't until Israel left Gaza that the real gak show started. Once Israel stops listening to the international community and does what needs to be done, there will be peace in the region.


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 MrDwhitey wrote:
Nuggz, as far as I can tell you're both right when put together.

British Mandate said "k have it, but we ain't helping you keep it", then the Arab states said "lol no" and the Jews went "feth off" for a year till the Arab states were forced out. I could be completely wrong though.

This is accurate.

Please note...

There's a difference between a parent (the British, in this analogy) saying, "Here ya go kiddo, here's a brand new car!" and what actually happened, which is more like, "OK, I'll give you permission to buy a car if you can pay for it yourself."

well, on the same note Israel is about territory as seen from the invasion of lebanon. 20 ish years in lebanon. How many other countries dowes Israel need to invade. They are the wildcard of the middle east, I do not understand how allying to them helps anyone.

They fuckling demolished farmlands, and in that area farmlands is not cheap, unless you are a jewish settler of course.

 Bullockist wrote:
well, on the same note Israel is about territory as seen from the invasion of lebanon. 20 ish years in lebanon. How many other countries dowes Israel need to invade. They are the wildcard of the middle east, I do not understand how allying to them helps anyone.

And it continues...

Israel invaded Lebanon because the PLO was using it as a base of operations to launch terrorist attacks. Everyone who actually knows something about the region knows this. If Israel is so interested in conquering territory, why the hell did it give the entire Sinai peninsula back to the Egyptians?

Come on bro, you're like 0 for 10. It's time to give up and just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


There's a difference between a parent (the British, in this analogy) saying, "Here ya go kiddo, here's a brand new car!" and what actually happened, which is more like, "OK, I'll give you permission to buy a car if you can pay for it yourself."

Thing is they wqere being terrorists between ww1 and WW2 themselves in regard to the british empire...oh them good guy jews.

 Bullockist wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


There's a difference between a parent (the British, in this analogy) saying, "Here ya go kiddo, here's a brand new car!" and what actually happened, which is more like, "OK, I'll give you permission to buy a car if you can pay for it yourself."

Thing is they wqere being terrorists between ww1 and WW2 themselves in regard to the british empire...oh them good guy jews.

What in the world are you talking about?

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
well, on the same note Israel is about territory as seen from the invasion of lebanon. 20 ish years in lebanon. How many other countries dowes Israel need to invade. They are the wildcard of the middle east, I do not understand how allying to them helps anyone.

And it continues...

Israel invaded Lebanon because the PLO was using it as a base of operations to launch terrorist attacks. Everyone who actually knows something about the region knows this. If Israel is so interested in conquering territory, why the hell did it give the entire Sinai peninsula back to the Egyptians?

Come on bro, you're like 0 for 10. It's time to give up and just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about.

It's like your country is 0-10 on how to maintain peace with countries around them. Nevermind that combatting insurrection was found to be effective in the 1950s you just keep doing what you do. Which is defending the Israeli state by occupying other territories.

 Bullockist wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


There's a difference between a parent (the British, in this analogy) saying, "Here ya go kiddo, here's a brand new car!" and what actually happened, which is more like, "OK, I'll give you permission to buy a car if you can pay for it yourself."

Thing is they wqere being terrorists between ww1 and WW2 themselves in regard to the british empire...oh them good guy jews.

Ahhhhh so your true colors are showing. Usually people have the decency to say "Zionists" but you actually admit that your problem is with Jews. Thanks for the honesty.

 whembly wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


There's a difference between a parent (the British, in this analogy) saying, "Here ya go kiddo, here's a brand new car!" and what actually happened, which is more like, "OK, I'll give you permission to buy a car if you can pay for it yourself."

Thing is they wqere being terrorists between ww1 and WW2 themselves in regard to the british empire...oh them good guy jews.

What in the world are you talking about?

after ww1 the israelis had a concerted campaign against british rule. go look it up. it happened.

 Bullockist wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
well, on the same note Israel is about territory as seen from the invasion of lebanon. 20 ish years in lebanon. How many other countries dowes Israel need to invade. They are the wildcard of the middle east, I do not understand how allying to them helps anyone.

And it continues...

Israel invaded Lebanon because the PLO was using it as a base of operations to launch terrorist attacks. Everyone who actually knows something about the region knows this. If Israel is so interested in conquering territory, why the hell did it give the entire Sinai peninsula back to the Egyptians?

Come on bro, you're like 0 for 10. It's time to give up and just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about.

It's like your country is 0-10 on how to maintain peace with countries around them. Nevermind that combatting insurrection was found to be effective in the 1950s you just keep doing what you do. Which is defending the Israeli state by occupying other territories.

0 for 11 now. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Israel has had a lasting peace with both Egypt and Jordan, and it's honored those peace treaties.

Keep digging. Your posts are the best pro-Israel propaganda I've seen in a long time.

whembly, there was a lot of "Zionist" terrorism by two groups, Irgun and Lehi after WW2.

It was roundly condemned by pretty much all Jews outside of those organisations as far as I recall.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


There's a difference between a parent (the British, in this analogy) saying, "Here ya go kiddo, here's a brand new car!" and what actually happened, which is more like, "OK, I'll give you permission to buy a car if you can pay for it yourself."

Thing is they wqere being terrorists between ww1 and WW2 themselves in regard to the british empire...oh them good guy jews.

Ahhhhh so your true colors are showing. Usually people have the decency to say "Zionists" but you actually admit that your problem is with Jews. Thanks for the honesty.

I made a mistake, I regard Jews ( I fethed up there) as separate to Israel. Jews are cool, Israelis as a country are something well different.

Normally I say Israelis cozx I have serious problems with them, in regard to my local area , a local group of Jews wanted wires on the telegraph poles to demark sabbath zones, I was totally on their side.That said when it comes to Palestine, israelis don't even feature....coz your witches.

Anyway nuggs keep doing thumbs up pictures of soldiers killing civilians...It's great.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
whembly, there was a lot of "Zionist" terrorism by two groups, Irgun and Lehi after WW2.

It was roundly condemned by pretty much all Jews outside of those organisations as far as I recall.

Yeah... I realized that... for some reason I thought he was talking about *now*.