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 Mywik wrote:

 WallaceMerrett wrote:
1) Can WG TDA take a Power/Chain Fist in one hand an a Wolf Claw in the other?
2) Can a WL PA take a Power Fist in one hand and a Wolf Claw in the other, (specifically when taking a Thunderwolf Mount)?
3) Points and stats for TDA Njal Stormcaller?
4) Are WG PA combi-weapons really 10pts per model? Damn.
5) Are Land Speeder Typhoons still 90pts per model? (50pts base and 40pts for the Typhoon missile launcher), hoping for a decrease!
5) Anything exciting for Iron Priests?

1) Yes they can
2) Yes they can (although it is the old "replace with one of the following" thing ... so maybe debatable
3)TDA Njal is 180pts
4)Yes, they are
5)50pts base +25 for the ML
6) No


Runepriests DIsciplines:
Biomancy, Daemonology, Divination, Telekinesis and Tempestas

Thanks dude, I know I'm not the only one to say it but you've made a lot of my models happy right there! I'll keep an eye out for the exact wording but if its "may replace his bolt pistol and/or his close combat weapon with..." I always take that to mean he can choose any items from the list for either/or, and if "a Wolf Claw" is listed in lieu of "a pair of Wolf Claws" then my beastly Thunderlord with Power Fist and Wolf Claw could not be happier... you know, apart from the whole Instant Death at (5th Edition) 290pts. Still... 30pts of that was Saga of the Bear and another 5pts a Wolf Tail Tailsman so down to 255 already. With a few more reductions, (do we know the base cost of a Wolf Lord yet?), he might be back in contention for my Warlord... This guy and Harald Deathwolf with a pack of TWC each, outflanking... PREPARE THE CHEESE GRATER!

Kudos to GW for leaving that in, out of all the things I've seen to be de-wolfed, I expected being able to take two different specialist weapons, (i.e. not a pair of Wolf Claws), to be completely removed. I still think its pure cheese, but it's my cheese!

HeavyMetalMan wrote:
1. How much are upgrades for Thunderwolves, i.e. SS, TH, PF, etc? Also I can't remember if you said it but are they 40ppm now?

2. Also how much is a Thunderwolf wargear option for ICs and do they still give +1 str, +1 T, and +1 atk?

And thank you very much for taking the time to do this.

1) They take items from the melee weapon list as others. So points are the same for WG for example. PW 15, SS 15, FrostSword 20, PF 25, TH 30, Wolf Claw 20, 2x Wolfclaw 30.
2)TW for a lord is 50pts.Increases S,T,A and *drumroll* Wounds!!!!

Pretty excited about most of what I'm reading. Seems like some nerfs but between the changes and point drops, it'll probably gonna make a lot stronger codex overall. More balanced units anyways, I wont want to just spam grey hunters. Weapon costs for WG / LW's and the Blood claw changes are pretty big to me. WG in skyclaws now is really nice.

That outflank FoC seems really stong, run double force org with most stuff in the regular CaD with objective secured. I don't really have a prob taking the 3 HQ's that doing both FoC's would require. Only thing is I'd have to take like 2 units of melta suicide scouts in the outflanking detachment then I could outflank like melta dreads or any dread, bikes maybe, vindicators even. Keep my bulk troops in the Obj Secured FoC. I dunno seems really strong to be able to outflank as many hard hitting short ranged shooting units as you want really. A lot of stuff still has acute senses as well unless that changed. I probably wouldn't give up obj secured on my troops for it, but for a lot of non troop units it could be really solid. I don't really see having to take 3 hq's and 2 outflanking suicide melta units as being that much of a tax.

As for a question, can Hq's other then Wolflords take the TW mount? Like the wolf priest specifically.

Woo. That's a big drop on SS price for TWC. Basically, for 5 points more than before they get a 3++ (55 pt TWC with SS). Frost sword is cheaper too and double wolf claw is brand new.

 WallaceMerrett wrote:

Thanks dude, I know I'm not the only one to say it but you've made a lot of my models happy right there! I'll keep an eye out for the exact wording but if its "may replace his bolt pistol and/or his close combat weapon with..." I always take that to mean he can choose any items from the list for either/or, and if "a Wolf Claw" is listed in lieu of "a pair of Wolf Claws" then my beastly Thunderlord with Power Fist and Wolf Claw could not be happier... you know, apart from the whole Instant Death at (5th Edition) 290pts. Still... 30pts of that was Saga of the Bear and another 5pts a Wolf Tail Tailsman so down to 255 already. With a few more reductions, (do we know the base cost of a Wolf Lord yet?), he might be back in contention for my Warlord... This guy and Harald Deathwolf with a pack of TWC each, outflanking... PREPARE THE CHEESE GRATER!

Kudos to GW for leaving that in, out of all the things I've seen to be de-wolfed, I expected being able to take two different specialist weapons, (i.e. not a pair of Wolf Claws), to be completely removed. I still think its pure cheese, but it's my cheese!

Thats the exact wording. And yes theres Wolf Claw and Pair of Wolf Claws. I listed exact PW prices above. Base Wolflord is 105.

Tell me a WL Config and i tell you what it costs now.

Yeah, TWC really got a bonus.

Before, you had a 250-300 point lord and then to get 4 dudes, you were looking at 300 points after wargear. Now?

190 Harald + 4 dudes all with SS is 220. Damn. Add in a PF or two and you're set.

 Epitath wrote:

As for a question, can Hq's other then Wolflords take the TW mount? Like the wolf priest specifically.

Wolf Lord and Iron Priest only.

Is the Iron Priest an IC?

 Mywik wrote:
Psychic Powers:
Primaris:
Living Lightning
Witchpower 1WC
18" S7 AP- Assault 3, Shock
Shock = Each hit of a 6 generates 2 additional hits.

Storm Caller
Blessing 1WC
Target Unit gets Shrouded

Murderous Hurricane
Witchfire 1 WC
18" S4 AP- Assault 1, Large Blast, Rending

So I'm probably putting my head out on a block with this one, but for a ML2 Psyker these two could be good, if a little situational. 5+ Cover for 1 Warp Charge and a Large Blast wounding marines on 4s, AP2 on 6s isn't to be snuffed at at 1 Warp Charge either... you know unless your opponent has more dice.

Has it been confirmed whether or not Rune Priests can choose powers from Tempestas, or roll as standard? Because yeah... the others are not exciting in the least.

QUESTION! Is Njal Stormcaller old school like in 5th? i.e. does he know all of the Tempestas spells? If so, you could take him and a ML2 Rune Priest just to buff his dice and then choose as you see fit, no? A long shot, but something that always made me like Njal both fluff and ruleswise (knowing all the SW spells that is).

 Mywik wrote:

HeavyMetalMan wrote:
1. How much are upgrades for Thunderwolves, i.e. SS, TH, PF, etc? Also I can't remember if you said it but are they 40ppm now?

2. Also how much is a Thunderwolf wargear option for ICs and do they still give +1 str, +1 T, and +1 atk?

And thank you very much for taking the time to do this.

1) They take items from the melee weapon list as others. So points are the same for WG for example. PW 15, SS 15, FrostSword 20, PF 25, TH 30, Wolf Claw 20, 2x Wolfclaw 30.
2)TW for a lord is 50pts.Increases S,T,A and *drumroll* Wounds!!!!

Woot! +1 wound is fantastic!

1. What is the point cost for Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik?

2. Also what did they change about Ragnar's rules?

3. What is the base cost of a Wolf Lord and Wolf Priest?

4. Do you have to buy a Wolf Amulet(4++) for the Wolf Lord or does he come with one like Marine Captains?

Harald Deathwolf

190pts
SS,Frost axe.
ws6 bf5 s5 t5 w4 i5 a3 ld10 sv3+

SS, Frostaxe.

Outflank, immune to fire weapons and pyromancy. All cavalry and beast models within 12" use his LS. Has auto "saga of the wolfkin" which makes beasts and cavalry within 12" stubborn and get furious charge.


Am i alone in thinking hes amazing?


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 pretre wrote:
Is the Iron Priest an IC?

Yes. And because someone else asked. They roll for their powers. They cant choose them.

For 190, that's not bad. TWC with Furious Charge is hilarious.


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Holy Crap, the Iron Priest is an Elite TWC IC now? That's awesome.


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Is the Iron Priest still 50 for Artificer Armor and a Thunder Hammer? Because that's an auto-include.

WG not getting to equip Terminator heavy weapons is long over due. This seems to be the last step away from the cheese that started when they could get both a cyclone ML and a assault cannon. Was that 3rd Ed? /shiver

 Mywik wrote:
1) They take items from the melee weapon list as others. So points are the same for WG for example. PW 15, SS 15, FrostSword 20, PF 25, TH 30, Wolf Claw 20, 2x Wolfclaw 30.

Lol awesome I was just going to ask about this.

 Lord Lorne Walkier wrote:
WG not getting to equip Terminator heavy weapons is long over due. This seems to be the last step away from the cheese that started when they could get both a cyclone ML and a assault cannon. Was that 3rd Ed? /shiver

2nd

 pretre wrote:
For 190, that's not bad. TWC with Furious Charge is hilarious.


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Holy Crap, the Iron Priest is an Elite TWC IC now? That's awesome.


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Is the Iron Priest still 50 for Artificer Armor and a Thunder Hammer? Because that's an auto-include.

The iron priest is 55 base and comes equipped with a TH and Runic armor. Iron Priest on TWC is 105 points. And now he gets a second wound from the twc so hes a viable bullet shield now.


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 WallaceMerrett wrote:

QUESTION! Is Njal Stormcaller old school like in 5th? i.e. does he know all of the Tempestas spells? If so, you could take him and a ML2 Rune Priest just to buff his dice and then choose as you see fit, no? A long shot, but something that always made me like Njal both fluff and ruleswise (knowing all the SW spells that is).

Sadly he has to roll for powers. He doesnt auto know all of them. I listed some details earlier check my post history. Hes not as fluffy as in 5th sadly.

Holy crap. If you're right about IP being IC, they are great for all kinds of uses including TWC. Forget PAWG, put an iron priest in the unit...

 Mywik wrote:

 pretre wrote:

For funsies, you could attach Arjac to a Lone Wolf. Also, Arjac can attach to allies now, which may be interesting.

Lone Wolves have a special rule called "Pack of one". It prevents ICs from joining them as they arent ICs themselves they cant join others as well.

This may have been said already, haven't perused the entire thread as yet.. but this came to mind immediately:



Someone please make a lone wolf in his image. Please.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Harald and three IP and some TWC would be hilarious. Just need endurance to make it wtf broken.

 pretre wrote:
Holy crap. If you're right about IP being IC, they are great for all kinds of uses including TWC. Forget PAWG, put an iron priest in the unit...

I can confirm that they are indeed ICs. Triple checked it

As a chaos player, I'm glad they lost the necklace, the talisman, and the mark of the wulfen. How's it FEEL?!


Questions about the wolf standard though:

X) Is it models within 6", or units within 6"?

Y) Is there any particular wording that keeps the +1 attack buff from stacking multiple times?

Z) Can only Grey Hunters take it? Any limits per army?

 Mywik wrote:

 WallaceMerrett wrote:

Thanks dude, I know I'm not the only one to say it but you've made a lot of my models happy right there! I'll keep an eye out for the exact wording but if its "may replace his bolt pistol and/or his close combat weapon with..." I always take that to mean he can choose any items from the list for either/or, and if "a Wolf Claw" is listed in lieu of "a pair of Wolf Claws" then my beastly Thunderlord with Power Fist and Wolf Claw could not be happier... you know, apart from the whole Instant Death at (5th Edition) 290pts. Still... 30pts of that was Saga of the Bear and another 5pts a Wolf Tail Tailsman so down to 255 already. With a few more reductions, (do we know the base cost of a Wolf Lord yet?), he might be back in contention for my Warlord... This guy and Harald Deathwolf with a pack of TWC each, outflanking... PREPARE THE CHEESE GRATER!

Kudos to GW for leaving that in, out of all the things I've seen to be de-wolfed, I expected being able to take two different specialist weapons, (i.e. not a pair of Wolf Claws), to be completely removed. I still think its pure cheese, but it's my cheese!

Thats the exact wording. And yes theres Wolf Claw and Pair of Wolf Claws. I listed exact PW prices above. Base Wolflord is 105.

Tell me a WL Config and i tell you what it costs now.

Wow those weapon costs are really cool for Thunderwolf Cavalry, Storm Shields have halved from 30 to 15 and I have every one of mine equipped with one; Thunder Hammer stays the same which drops a unit of 5 TWC with one TH/SS and the rest CCW/SS from 430pts to 355pts (if they are still 50pts base?) Might have to consider throwing some PW on those bad boys though, 15 points to jump from S5 AP- to S5 AP3 (Power Sword) or even 20pts S6 AP3 (Frost Sword) is no joke!

That being said, those weapon costs are astronomical for Wolf Guard Terminators unless I've missed something...

A unit of 5 WG TDA with 4 SB, 1 AC and 5 WC used to run 220pts, now they're looking to be 295pts based on 5pts for a Wolf Claw in 5th versus 20pts in 7th!. 5 WG TDA with 5 TH and 5 SS and a CML was 345pts, now they're looking at 420 with the jump on Thunder Hammers from 15pts to 30pts. Straight up 10 WC (Pairs of Wolf Claws) used to run the cheapest at 215pts, now 315pts! ...Ouch.

 Mywik wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Holy crap. If you're right about IP being IC, they are great for all kinds of uses including TWC. Forget PAWG, put an iron priest in the unit...

I can confirm that they are indeed ICs. Triple checked it

That's crazy good for everything.


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Terminator costs are different.

HeavyMetalMan wrote:


Woot! +1 wound is fantastic!

1. What is the point cost for Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik?

2. Also what did they change about Ragnar's rules?

3. What is the base cost of a Wolf Lord and Wolf Priest?

4. Do you have to buy a Wolf Amulet(4++) for the Wolf Lord or does he come with one like Marine Captains?

1. Ragnar:195, ulrik 145
2.)Rage, Insane bravado= has to issue and accept challenges, rerolls 1 saving throw each phase, has 4++ from belt of russ, War howl = furious charge for all space wolves in his unit, weapon is s+1 ap3, rending, master crafted
3)WL 105, WP 110
4) He comes with a wolf amulet

Free invul on lords? Gak!

 Spellbound wrote:
As a chaos player, I'm glad they lost the necklace, the talisman, and the mark of the wulfen. How's it FEEL?!


Questions about the wolf standard though:

X) Is it models within 6", or units within 6"?

Y) Is there any particular wording that keeps the +1 attack buff from stacking multiple times?

Z) Can only Grey Hunters take it? Any limits per army?

Doesnt feel that bad since these goodies did cost a lot of points that are now free for other stuff.

x) Exact wording: Any friendly units with the Space Wolves Faction within 12" of the model bearing this banner re-roll failed Morale checks and Pinning tests. In addition, all models in friendly units with the space wolves faction within 6" of the bearer gain +1 attack.

y)see above.

z) Only grey hunters and theres 1 per detachment allowed.

Oh my god gw and sprinkling the rules pieces all over the whole book. Why the one per army limit is listed in the GH entry but not in the standarts entry is beyond me tbh.

 WallaceMerrett wrote:


Wow those weapon costs are really cool for Thunderwolf Cavalry, Storm Shields have halved from 30 to 15 and I have every one of mine equipped with one; Thunder Hammer stays the same which drops a unit of 5 TWC with one TH/SS and the rest CCW/SS from 430pts to 355pts (if they are still 50pts base?

Rumor is they are 40 points base now. Don't know if that is confirmed though

Thanks a lot for answering all the questions! I have some of my own.

- Can RPs still take a bike?

- Can ICs that are not on a Thunderwolf join with a Thunder wolf rider unit? (such as the bike RP or Logan)

 Mywik wrote:

HeavyMetalMan wrote:

4. Do you have to buy a Wolf Amulet (4++) for the Wolf Lord or does he come with one like Marine Captains?

4) He comes with a Wolf Amulet

Oh wow, well if a Wolf Lord is now 105pts basic with a 4++, over 130pts from 5th (100pts Wolf Lord, 30pts Belt of Russ), then my Thunderlord is even happier!

I wasn't all doom and gloom anyway, but little nuggets like that one are starting to build my excitement back up again!

gruntl wrote:
Thanks a lot for answering all the questions! I have some of my own.

- Can RPs still take a bike?

- Can ICs that are not on a Thunderwolf join with a Thunder wolf rider unit? (such as the bike RP or Logan)

I can confirm that Thunderwolves are 40 each now.

1) Yes
2) The whole "cant join tis and tat"-rule is gone.