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 pretre wrote:
Tons of stuff went down in points.

and had their rules stripped away.

 pretre wrote:

I dunno... Because he's Ravenous D? There's a neat little button that lets you avoid certain people's comments...

Coming from you that means so little. Guess you cant take a little criticism from your throne in Goob town.

Can't we all just get along?

Super Newb wrote:
Can't we all just get along?

I wish, but this is the interwebs!

In an attempt to get back on subject

Njal, I have seen a lot about him.
>Mastery Level?

>Rune Weapon?

>His Storm Power

>Does he still have the option for PA or TDA?

This are the ones that really the most interest for me

 Anpu42 wrote:
In an attempt to get back on subject

Njal, I have seen a lot about him.
>Mastery Level?

>Rune Weapon?

>His Storm Power

>Does he still have the option for PA or TDA?

This are the ones that really the most interest for me

ML 4
Yes
No
I didn't see this yet.

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
In an attempt to get back on subject

Njal, I have seen a lot about him.
>Mastery Level?

>Rune Weapon?

>His Storm Power

>Does he still have the option for PA or TDA?

This are the ones that really the most interest for me

ML 4
Yes
No
I didn't see this yet.

Ok, Is it listed as a Rune Weapon, can chose what type or is it a Staff?

That I didn't see. I know normal RP can choose, but didn't see anything on Njal yet.

I dont get it...

people complain when an OTT codex like eldar is released,

then when GW releases internally balanced codexes that are also well balanced externally and not OTT while still being unique and fluffy, people still complain...

I dont even play SW because before they just seemed like space marines with different models,

now that they have some good CC units, some good ways to get into CC, and more stuff that fits the "viking" theme... I am seriously considering keeping my snactus reach models and starting the army.


while I dont feel that this codex was a home run slam dunk 110% awesomeness like the new ork codex was, its still shaping up to be quite good overall.

all the character options look really cool, someone listed a storm sheild build guy for 50pts earlier.. thats just so much win right there, lots of options for customizing and converting

Whoops... there doesn't seem to be anything here.

Holy crap. Not only can iron priests join units but they can bring four cyber wolves!

This thread in YMDC says that Space Wolves can purchase empty drop pods as a Fast Attack choice. Any truth to this?

 easysauce wrote:
I dont get it...

people complain when an OTT codex like eldar is released,

then when GW releases internally balanced codexes that are also well balanced externally and not OTT while still being unique and fluffy, people still complain...

I dont even play SW because before they just seemed like space marines with different models,

now that they have some good CC units, some good ways to get into CC, and more stuff that fits the "viking" theme... I am seriously considering keeping my snactus reach models and starting the army.


while I dont feel that this codex was a home run slam dunk 110% awesomeness like the new ork codex was, its still shaping up to be quite good overall.

all the character options look really cool, someone listed a storm sheild build guy for 50pts earlier.. thats just so much win right there, lots of options for customizing and converting

Being a former space wolf player, I think I have plenty to complain about. This army doesn't feel like it got "updated". The army wasn't top teir in 6th and it dang sure isn't even close to top teir now. So once again it's a middle of the road blah codex. Fluff? They took some fluff out. The army got nerfed more than buffed or balanced. Giving them flyers doesn't change this IMO.

 Ghaz wrote:
This thread in YMDC says that Space Wolves can purchase empty drop pods as a Fast Attack choice. Any truth to this?

yes


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Having the codex in hand, I'm very happy with the new dex.


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 pretre wrote:
That I didn't see. I know normal RP can choose, but didn't see anything on Njal yet.

Njal has a specific weapon so can't swap. Terminator armor is free.

To the thread: stay on topic and avoid using personal insults, please.

 Gideon999 wrote:
Not a valid config actually. You can have a storm shield but you can only pair it with combiweapon, wolf claw or thunderhammer.

that config with combi is 55, with wolf claw is 65, with thunder hammer is 75.

I think all of those cost way too much. SM assault Terminators are 45pts with SS and TH, I know SW ones get the bonus that they can mix and match more, but IMO it's not worth nearly that much.

So are standard WG Termies just Power Weapon and Storm Bolter? How many points for those?

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
In an attempt to get back on subject

Njal, I have seen a lot about him.
>Mastery Level?

>Rune Weapon?

>His Storm Power

>Does he still have the option for PA or TDA?

This are the ones that really the most interest for me

ML 4
Yes
No
I didn't see this yet.

Wait wait, Njal is ML4? What.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Gideon999 wrote:
Not a valid config actually. You can have a storm shield but you can only pair it with combiweapon, wolf claw or thunderhammer.

that config with combi is 55, with wolf claw is 65, with thunder hammer is 75.

I think all of those cost way too much. SM assault Terminators are 45pts with SS and TH, I know SW ones get the bonus that they can mix and match more, but IMO it's not worth nearly that much.

So are standard WG Termies just Power Weapon and Storm Bolter? How many points for those?

45 points for TH/SS termies is the exact same as the SM codex, so no complaints from me about the price. It's 225 for 5, in the old codex it was 345.

 Random Dude wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Gideon999 wrote:
Not a valid config actually. You can have a storm shield but you can only pair it with combiweapon, wolf claw or thunderhammer.

that config with combi is 55, with wolf claw is 65, with thunder hammer is 75.

I think all of those cost way too much. SM assault Terminators are 45pts with SS and TH, I know SW ones get the bonus that they can mix and match more, but IMO it's not worth nearly that much.

So are standard WG Termies just Power Weapon and Storm Bolter? How many points for those?

45 points for TH/SS termies is the exact same as the SM codex, so no complaints from me about the price. It's 225 for 5, in the old codex it was 345.

Unless I missed something, WG TH/SS are 75pts, SM codex termies are 45pts.

So 5 WG termies with TH/SS are 375pts Unless I've misread what Gideon wrote.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Gideon999 wrote:
Not a valid config actually. You can have a storm shield but you can only pair it with combiweapon, wolf claw or thunderhammer.

that config with combi is 55, with wolf claw is 65, with thunder hammer is 75.

I think all of those cost way too much. SM assault Terminators are 45pts with SS and TH, I know SW ones get the bonus that they can mix and match more, but IMO it's not worth nearly that much.

So are standard WG Termies just Power Weapon and Storm Bolter? How many points for those?

45 points for TH/SS termies is the exact same as the SM codex, so no complaints from me about the price. It's 225 for 5, in the old codex it was 345.

Unless I missed something, WG TH/SS are 75pts, SM codex termies are 45pts.

So 5 WG termies with TH/SS are 375pts Unless I've misread what Gideon wrote.

I think I'm the one who made the mistake.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Gideon999 wrote:
Not a valid config actually. You can have a storm shield but you can only pair it with combiweapon, wolf claw or thunderhammer.

that config with combi is 55, with wolf claw is 65, with thunder hammer is 75.

I think all of those cost way too much. SM assault Terminators are 45pts with SS and TH, I know SW ones get the bonus that they can mix and match more, but IMO it's not worth nearly that much.

So are standard WG Termies just Power Weapon and Storm Bolter? How many points for those?

They do have 2 Wounds, EW, FNP and are fearless.

easysauce wrote:I dont get it... while I dont feel that this codex was a home run slam dunk 110% awesomeness like the new ork codex was...

Thank you good sir, I needed that laugh today.

Ravenous D wrote:I just got my copy of the dex, and jesus if GW is going to use pictures of models instead of art they need to up their painting game.

And that answers my curiosity. Academic at this point as 40K is as dead as vaudeville round these parts.

 Boggy Man wrote:

easysauce wrote:I dont get it... while I dont feel that this codex was a home run slam dunk 110% awesomeness like the new ork codex was...

Thank you good sir, I needed that laugh today.

Ravenous D wrote:I just got my copy of the dex, and jesus if GW is going to use pictures of models instead of art they need to up their painting game.

And that answers my curiosity. Academic at this point as 40K is as dead as vaudeville round these parts.

That's interesting. 40k is the only prominent game in my area.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:Wait wait, Njal is ML4? What.

No, ML3, my bad.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:So 5 WG termies with TH/SS are 375pts Unless I've misread what Gideon wrote.

WG are 48 with TH/SS.

 pretre wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:Wait wait, Njal is ML4? What.

No, ML3, my bad.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:So 5 WG termies with TH/SS are 375pts Unless I've misread what Gideon wrote.

WG are 48 with TH/SS.

That's decent, I guess... Any special rules?

Oh sorry, I was looking at Lone Wolf points and reading it as WG points. This thread is getting really hard to follow now

I guess I'll head over to GW today and check it out myself... can't see myself buying it at the moment though, it's not really motivating me to pull my SW out to play with them.

Counter-attack and acute senses... For Wolf Guard.
Njal can reroll a failed psychic and a failed DTW each turn.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
can't see myself buying it at the moment though, it's not really motivating me to pull my SW out to play with them.

Really? Because so far, it looks badass as hell.

 pretre wrote:
Counter-attack and acute senses... For Wolf Guard.
Njal can reroll a failed psychic and a failed DTW each turn.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
can't see myself buying it at the moment though, it's not really motivating me to pull my SW out to play with them.

Really? Because so far, it looks badass as hell.

I have to agree. I'm seeing the possibility for many fluffy, entertaining builds that can also be competitive.

 pretre wrote:

Njal can reroll a failed psychic and a failed DTW each turn.

Unfortunately Njal only rerolls a failed test if he was casting from the very unimpressive Tempestas discipline.

Call me crazy, but the first two releases of 7th edition have much better internal balance than we are accustomed to and should show good external balance between themselves as well. Heck, we can extend that back through Tara Militarum and to a lesser degree Tyranids.

That makes 3-4 Internally balanced and Externally Balanced codices in a row and can be indicative of a trend. Maybe things are looking up from a balance perspective after the travesty that was Eldar in 6th.

Of course, the nerf releases don't stand up to Eldar or SM individually, but unlike the 6th and especially the 5th edition codices before there is pretty damned good internal and external balance at work.

Let's look at the trend towards the future, if that is well balanced codices, even if they are weaker than Eldar and sM, that is a good thing and the game will be far better balanced for it.

Only time will tell, but things are looking up!

 Zagman wrote:
Call me crazy, but the first two releases of 7th edition have much better internal balance than we are accustomed to and should show good external balance between themselves as well. Heck, we can extend that back through Tara Militarum and to a lesser degree Tyranids.

That makes 3-4 Internally balanced and Externally Balanced codices in a row and can be indicative of a trend. Maybe things are looking up from a balance perspective after the travesty that was Eldar in 6th.

Of course, the nerf releases don't stand up to Eldar or SM individually, but unlike the 6th and especially the 5th edition codices before there is pretty damned good internal and external balance at work.

Let's look at the trend towards the future, if that is well balanced codices, even if they are weaker than Eldar and sM, that is a good thing and the game will be far better balanced for it.

Only time will tell, but things are looking up!

I appreciate your optimism! I'm inclined to agree. I haven't read through the Ork codex, but the SM, AM, and SW seem to be well balanced (if not extremely powerful).