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It works differently now though and affects multiple units.

Lone wolf in PA with storm shield and power weapon is 50, with storm shield and frost weapon or wolf claw is 55.

 pretre wrote:
It works differently now though and affects multiple units.

Within 6 inches. Being able to give all my GH units +1 attack would have been awesome. Since that saves me 10 points, I guess I could throw in a Combi-Melta on the Wolf Guard. The squad would look like this:

9 Grey Hunters (CC Weapons, 2x Melta Gun)
1 Wolf Guard (CC Weapon, Combi-Melta)

190

 Gideon999 wrote:
Lone wolf in PA with storm shield and power weapon is 50, with storm shield and frost weapon or wolf claw is 55.

50-55 points...amazing.

I don't remember seeing it earlier in the post; are LW stats comparable to 5th ed codex?

I would sprint for TDA with WC/SS for 65. That's just a solid build and can deep strike supposedly.

 pretre wrote:
I would sprint for TDA with WC/SS for 65. That's just a solid build and can deep strike supposedly.

Claws adding plus one strength has me torn. I think I still have to go with the hammer for +10... At 75 it is down from 85 in the last book AND you can deepstrike... So happy about LW and TWC... Really made up for some of our lost items. I am more upset with the GH loss of MoTW and multiple standards for modeling reasons but I think I'll use the power weapon/fist now as the werewolf since I never took that gear and make standards anyway and just tell my opponent there there to look awesome. Doubt I'll use the new standard if its pricy anyways.

I just got my copy of the dex, and jesus if GW is going to use pictures of models instead of art they need to up their painting game.

 Ravenous D wrote:
I just got my copy of the dex, and jesus if GW is going to use pictures of models instead of art they need to up their painting game.

I've found most of the 'eavy metal painted models to look good. Are those worse than the 6th ed. codices?

 Random Dude wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
I just got my copy of the dex, and jesus if GW is going to use pictures of models instead of art they need to up their painting game.

I've found most of the 'eavy metal painted models to look good. Are those worse than the 6th ed. codices?

Its far worse then the amazing artwork, and many of the models are drybrushed and unfinished.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
I just got my copy of the dex, and jesus if GW is going to use pictures of models instead of art they need to up their painting game.

I've found most of the 'eavy metal painted models to look good. Are those worse than the 6th ed. codices?

Its far worse then the amazing artwork, and many of the models are drybrushed and unfinished.

The pics on the website look fine. Maybe my standards are lower.

Probably want to take that discussion to the release thread...

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
I just got my copy of the dex, and jesus if GW is going to use pictures of models instead of art they need to up their painting game.

I've found most of the 'eavy metal painted models to look good. Are those worse than the 6th ed. codices?

Its far worse then the amazing artwork, and many of the models are drybrushed and unfinished.

It makes them more similar to Imperial armor books, but at least IA uses photoshop to add fog of war and remove bases.

Its uninspiring and bland. Its the same book with less, with point increases/rules removal and a major point decrease on thunderwolves.

Its another "meh" dex from the competitive side of things, its exactly where it was other then the giant sign over thunderwolves.

So lone wolves. Someone elsewhere on the internet was saying they weren't as customizable. Is that true? Can you take them with TDA, a SS and a chain fist? TDA PF and combo weapon? Just what builds are illegal now?

 Ravenous D wrote:
Its uninspiring and bland. Its the same book with less, with point increases/rules removal and a major point decrease on thunderwolves.

Its another "meh" dex from the competitive side of things, its exactly where it was other then the giant sign over thunderwolves.

I'm fine with "exactly where it was". It's certainly better than the complete nerfs we've been seeing recently. Didn't characters go down in points?

Tons of stuff went down in points.

 pretre wrote:
Tons of stuff went down in points.

So why is Ravenous D complaining that everything but Thunderwolves went up in points?

 Random Dude wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Tons of stuff went down in points.

So why is Ravenous D complaining that everything but Thunderwolves went up in points?

I dunno... Because he's Ravenous D? There's a neat little button that lets you avoid certain people's comments...

 pretre wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Tons of stuff went down in points.

So why is Ravenous D complaining that everything but Thunderwolves went up in points?

I dunno... Because he's Ravenous D? There's a neat little button that lets you avoid certain people's comments...

I know, but I like getting everyone's perspective.

Agreed. I like seeing varied perspectives. Some are a little out there though.

Whoops... there doesn't seem to be anything here.

Yeah so, what's the scoop on Lone Wolves? As far as limits to their customization...

Super Newb wrote:
Yeah so, what's the scoop on Lone Wolves? As far as limits to their customization...

This page and the previous one have pretty much all the costs for LW.

 Sillycybin wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Its uninspiring and bland. Its the same book with less, with point increases/rules removal and a major point decrease on thunderwolves.

Its another "meh" dex from the competitive side of things, its exactly where it was other then the giant sign over thunderwolves.

Your forgetting the game changing flyers. Assault flyers and pseudo heldrakes? Sign me up please.

Yeah, I'm loving the Stormwolf. Twin-linked Hellfrost Cannon (S8 AP1 or S6 AP3 blast), twin-linked lascannon, 2 twin-linked heavy bolters, and a 16 model capacity. Being an assault vehicle makes it even better. Throw Ragnar in there with 10 GH and you've got a pretty wicked assault unit.

I would almost always upgrade the Stormwolf to have MM. It's a cheap upgrade and makes it super nasty.

I'm thinking Ulrik may go in mine with the Bloodclaws to give a big ol' Stubborn/Preferred Enemy bubble.

(Tons of rerolls with all that TL and the PE.)

 Sillycybin wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Its uninspiring and bland. Its the same book with less, with point increases/rules removal and a major point decrease on thunderwolves.

Its another "meh" dex from the competitive side of things, its exactly where it was other then the giant sign over thunderwolves.

Your forgetting the game changing flyers. Assault flyers and pseudo heldrakes? Sign me up please.

Hardly, if you call shooting it down in one turn while the occupants burn to death screaming game changing, then sure. Its not hard to kill then a storm raven.

 pretre wrote:
I would almost always upgrade the Stormwolf to have MM. It's a cheap upgrade and makes it super nasty.

I'm thinking Ulrik may go in mine with the Bloodclaws to give a big ol' Stubborn/Preferred Enemy bubble.

(Tons of rerolls with all that TL and the PE.)

I have a 1500 list in the works. I could fit the two MM if I take out two combi-weapons on WG. Don't know if it's worth it.

 pretre wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Yeah so, what's the scoop on Lone Wolves? As far as limits to their customization...

This page and the previous one have pretty much all the costs for LW.

Lol no not at all. Do you know how many different combinations of options there are? All that was said that ss and chain fist isn't allowed. I'm wondering about other limitations. What they are... That sort of thing.

einlanzer wrote:What would be the cost of a Lone Wolf with TDA, Stormshield and Powerfist?

Gideon999 wrote:Not a valid config actually. You can have a storm shield but you can only pair it with combiweapon, wolf claw or thunderhammer.

that config with combi is 55, with wolf claw is 65, with thunder hammer is 75.

Anpu42 wrote:What about Power Armor, Storm Shield and Power/Frost Weapon?

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 Gideon999 wrote:
Lone wolf in PA with storm shield and power weapon is 50, with storm shield and frost weapon or wolf claw is 55.

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I mean sure, there's plenty of options, but I don't know that anyone is going to type them all out.

Facepalm.

So the storm shield limitation was listed. Are there others?